No GTX 1080 on AW Notebook ?

Or are we waiting for something?

tnx for any info

 

November 16th , along with the new AW 13

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3114...-new-laptops-with-gtx-10-series-graphics.html

 

It will be way too expensive, Have a look at the P775DM2 people are really praising that machine, No issues if one doesn't have enough cash at the moment since they can drop in upgrades later anytime, Plus it has 2 2.5" Bays & 4 RAM slots, Top notch DAC.

 

I think this post sums it up nicely. For a single GPU beast, that's a great option. A better overall option for a whole lot less money.

 

With a cheap B class chassis made out of plastic.....did they fix the heatsinks already?

 

For the single gpu machines, only repaste and delid needed for optimal performance (with liquid metal)

The bigger sli heatsink has problems with factory thermal pad I think

 

Since I was used to having the best for many years, I was really worried about that. As it turns out, my concerns did not have as much merit as I thought they would. The P870 has an excellent chassis with a metal exoskeleton frame. It's a very well make product and I would go as far as to say it is better than anything I ever had before in spite of the external plastic panels. My P750ZM and P570WM were also very well made. I wish they were made with heavy aluminum panels like my old M17xR2, M18xR1 and M18xR2, but I have no complaints on the basis of poor build quality. The newer Alienware products had more plastic that I would have liked to have seen, but they were still made well.

Yes, that is correct. It does not appear to be the heat sinks. It appears the problem was using thermal pads that were too thick, making die to heatsink contact poor. Those who have replaced the pads with thinner ones are getting nice results now. To some extent that was a problem on the P870DM-G. Some folks that had GPU thermal problems corrected them by using thinner and/or softer pads. @tanzmeister had a thread on that issue for the previous models.

 

It's a bad joke on the P870DM "Grid" heatsink tbh. Clevo should spend a bit more money to get proper thermal pads rather than have users pay for their mistakes.

 

Meh... I don't care. I see that as a non-issue. At least they gave us the best platforms available as a starting point. To me this is no different than using @Prema or @svl7 BIOS or vBIOS, or replacing garbage factory thermal paste with Liquid Ultra to make something good something better. Part of the fun of being an enthusiast is transforming something good into something awesome. No matter what brand you start out with something needs to be done to make it better. I've never seen or owned anything that was flawless out of the box. Part of the reason for that is the people putting them together are low-income assembly line factor workers that don't have to care if it turns out great.

In contrast, if you start with a fundamentally flawed platform there is only so much you can do with it.

 

Great points all around.

Something fixable is a lot better than something that is not fixable.

It's a double edged sword.

On one end we want to do the work ourselves, but on the other end Clevo should compensate for such mistakes by lowering the price within reason. Fair is fair. Of course business is business, but with the dynamics of them hanging by a string to keep lga alive, it's a very interesting cross road we're all facing right now.

The key here is having a good working base to build from...

A bga machine also needs to be repasted just as much as a clevo does. In that regard it's universal.



::iunlock::

 

But the 17/18 alienware machines have the best cooling out of the box (most of the time).

 

another thread conquered by clevo pirates ...

 

I don't have a Clevo or Never used one, But view on them has been significantly affected from the debut of the 4790K, 6700K Clevo machines with unlocked BIOS while the 6870HK, the overvolted poorly binned CPU which is BGA & most common CPU 6700HQ (which is uber trash and awful compared the Haswell 47xxHQ) powered 2 gen Alienwares, Not only the CPU but the build quality questions based off user feedback, yep some HSs are super trash but can be fixed, Not like Alienwares where you have to teardown the whole damn machine for a repaste & a battery that is tucked away inside, I can see only regression there when comparing to the older Alienwares (2013 and Pre 2013), The PSU, BIOS fiasco and no MUX on the Alienwares from 2014 to until now, Recently they included the MUX again on the Pascal refresh but the design is still unfriendly to user for servicing. The stock paste all OEMs use is 100% trash. Period.

Now the Price to Performance ratio, Upgrade options this is not a debate to be won or a war, It's plain simple. Don't pay huge sums of cash for less user serviceable, non-socketed hardware just for the damn looks and RMA (Dell's technicians are noobest, hell every companies techs are noob while the Clevo based some resellers a.k.a Prema partnets are true enthusiasts themselves which is a huge plus when you want to make sure everything is fine at factory.

So It's the choice of the user, the options are in front of you - Blue Pill or Red Pill.
Actually there's more to say but I think this highlights the most important factors.
End of story.

 

I don't think that captn.ko was debating "which is better"; just tired of seeing BUY A CLEVO posted in every other thread (I'm just sick of this) when it was just a simple question about AW posted.

 

This! Thx for your post.

 

pls don t generalise

if a loyal AW user sais : buy a clevo, this is something we care about.

i want to buy another alienware just because i really like graphics amplifier, but i m open to any point of view

 

Great point. Alot of current Clevo owners are also or were Alienware owners. It's not about fanboying a particular company, it's about comparing each of their offerings and letting merit fall where it may.

 

Peopple still comparing 2 very diffierent laptops concepts with eachother. Current Alienware laptops offerings are more aimed towards being fairly portable for the performance that they offer.

Alienware is pretty much the only laptop manufacturer out there that offers gaming laptops that can work 8 hours on battery when doing just productivity. You have some compromises but again every laptop has a few compromises. So which compromises are you willing to live with. Gain upgrade-ability but being tethered to your desk pretty much constantly or do you want to lose upgrade-ability internally (AGA works pretty well) but want to use the laptop away from a desk.

Also how important are ergonomics for you.

All things to consider, it is not a simple lets count the specs. Because if that was the case you could just build a desktop for the same amount of money and get more such as 2x1080 instead of just one.

 

The days of making choices based on brand are over. Doing that today is a really unintelligent approach to decision making. The concept of brand loyalty is no longer viable or reliable. It has been abused too much by companies that used to have the highest standards.

 

Since that article was written AW mentioned via social media that the 1080 and the QHD screens would be available in the beginning of Nov.
I believe the Nov 16th date is for the AW 13.

 

Brand loyalty destroy innovation.

How much more portable is the new Aw17R4 Echo vs P870DM2/P775DM2? AW17R4 "Echo" is even +0.5 KG heavier than P775DM2.

 

Again dont only look at the numbers. Its not only weight but also dimensions and battery.

The 870 is a muuuuch thicker machine. I actually was quite shocked when i saw it in real. It didnt even fit in my backpack. That plus the huge powerbricks make it a lot less ergonomic machine. Especiallyif you use the laptop keyboard. Your hands are raised too much which makes it more tiresome.

 

you're on an alienware post trying to defend...Alienware don't waste your time, they WILL always try to sell you a big fat clevo DTR here like it's the pascal messiah or something , those guys are the best clevo sales rep EVER ^^. On each AW post you will find a "buy a clevo" post . Just surf quickly on all AW threads you will find the same people telling the same thing regardless of the subject.

print that in your brain : All laptops have pros and cons, there is not ONE perfect laptop, people have the right to buy an AW machine because yes they have things Clevos don't have.

 

yeah it is pretty much that not all sizes fit all. It really isnt a case of what is better between those machines. A F1 car is not better than a Rally car. It is different.

 

These people make Clevo look like a desperate company begging for customers.

 

New Aw17 Echo have same or bigger footprint than Clevo machines. And as you say about the huge power bricks make it a lot less ergonomic machine.., Have Dell decided to skip implementing the huge 330w for Aw17R4? Or will they create a new +-260w slim pretty power brick for the model with 1080?

 

But footprint is only 1/3 of the story. Thickness etc matters just as much.

 

Hmm, interesting concept. I wonder if I used to make Alienware look like a desperate company begging for customers back when I was still an Alienware fanboy? Never thought of it that way.

At any rate, it's all about being passionate about owning the best and helping others make the most informed decisions... always has been the basis for offering suggestions. People are generally going to do what they want with the information. The important thing is making sure everyone has all of the information available to them so they don't miss something important. Not knowing that all Alienwares are BGA now is an example of that. Having only two DIMM slots is another example. That kind of information can be critical to some folks.

Hardly anything I can think of sucks as bad as spending a lot of money on something that you regret buying. Been there, done that... not much fun.

 

There is and always will be someone telling you to buy a CLEVO.

This is maybe because the most active members are the ones that usually tried both sides of the equation or sometimes they are even running an AW machine but want you to get the best out of your money and they are trying to give sincere opinion. Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything, I really don't understand why these heated discussions rise out of thin air. You don't like serviceable, modding friendly, and usually big DTRs, so will be it; buy whatever makes you happy.

You like such machines and portability isn't a huge concern for you, then they introduced you to a significantly cost friendly & viable "yet not very famous" alternative that is CLEVO. I know a lot of people who has no idea what CLEVO is and they would really appreciate the freedom of having such machines even if they have to compromise in some sections, so you are doing them a favor by introducing them to the alternative.

And at the end of the day everyone will make his own choice.

 

Eh, Clevo is actually good to be honest. The only issue is that it's really thick compared to AW.

I tend to travel and game and decided I want a laptop that covers my needs:

a) power
b) sexiness/portability
c) Upgrade friendly

Now Clevo used to be A and B. Now they are just A. You can't upgrade GPU anymore. Heck, I thought my powerful Sager can be upgrade friendly in the future and unfortunately, it turns out it is not possible.

Alienware however can have the GPU upgraded by using the AGA. It's like the concept of the rumored Nintendo NX. If I go travel, I'll just lower the settings. If I am at home, I'll just connect the AGA and it can supe up the laptop. Besides, I travel so I can have time to play Street Fighter V.

So in my humble opinion, my next purchase based on my needs is the new AW 15.

Clevo and Alienware are great brands. For pure raw power and benchmarking, go for Clevo. Clevo will beat AW hands down in terms of that. In terms of aesthetics, design and portability, go for AW

I love both brands. I won't be biased about it. That's why you can't bash other previous Alienware users here because they are hardcore overclockers who knows what to do on their system.

And speaking of which, let's not bash Mr. Fox here. I am not sure if you knew him for the past few years but he is one of the best forum leaders here who will help you and answer your tech assistance needs whenever you speak to him. And when he provides his opinion, it is backed up with facts. I will defend Mr. Fox on his stance.

 

Nobody knows yet whether upgrading graphics are possible with latest Clevo DM2/3. Too early to say... But it is perhaps possible with the new internal design.
Ps. The ancient Clevo P870DM1 can now be upgraded with 1070. And of course... Processor can be upgraded to Kabys lake.
eGPU is equally possible in a Clevo as with an AW BGA machine!!
And Yees, @Mr. Fox is one of the finest people on the forum. He helps everyone if they ask him. Whether they have BGA or not.

 

Eh for sure my Sager can't be upgraded. Don't get me wrong, I was happy with my purchase but I thought I can upgrade it.

AW has the AGA to accommodate your gaming needs.



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For CLEVO 's you are welcome to go full surgeon on them xD
And have the laptop keyboard open.
Obviously, it's not practical for 99% of the users.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-g-gtx1080-tb3-hdk-pe4c-v4-1-m-2-ngff.796773/
This is possible for Alienware as well, but the bandwidth might be slightly less.

 

I know, but It is too early to write off the graphics upgrade opportunity for the new DM2/3. And eGPU work great for DM1-2 and 3. No need to have to go for BGA.

 

I don't want to derail the thread but the upgrading scene is lot more than how the situation is here, Just a tip of the iceberg tbh.

Spoiler: My take on the truth..

Speaking of first the MSIs Promise, yeah they advertised everything about MXM modular upgrades and all used the GT72 and some other machines with that niche feature to upgrade the 880M to 980Ms for 2 Generations, Next up Clevo never advertised the same but due to their modular and highly user friendly chassis design people assumed that they would naturally. I;d skip the whole MSI fisasco as the focus is not that, but the major player here is NGreedia, Intel, Dell. Yup IMHO they are the Primary antagonists.


As we already knew Dell abandoned the FPGA market with Intel pushing them to the new Privatized Dell corp a.k.a doesn't give a jack about consumers and finalized the Alienware deal as it used to be "First few years Alienware will design the machines then later on Dell will takeover everything - 2006 to 2013, 2014 is the year Dell completely Bastardized the brand " Clevo used to partner Alienwares so they existed since the PC market flourished and they are frigging not dumb enough note this, Back then ASUS ROG machines also had proprietary MXM because of their own selfish greedy tactics while other companies used the MXM modules but later on as we know people just wanted the "crApple thin and portable fest" the Nvidia started with Optimus the first gimping arrived...and BGA hot solder was introduced by Intel with Dell starting as a major player with the Haswell HQ series chipsets, I can remember HP's Envy machines sporting the MQ CPUs till then...Dell is a major force since they owned majority of the consumer market, Dell also destroyed the Precision too in this path of Better Get Another - Hell, About Dell please check " Cass-ole's" posts on the new Gimpienware desktop HW and compare the CFM ratings / BIOS options / Mobo Power limits etc...Dell is by far the worst brand that humankind have ever witnessed, Without them Intel can't just push this BGA crapfest.

Next up was the AMD bastardization because of Intel bribing the OEMs to cut the R&D funds and bringing them to the situation they are in now restricted to the consoles, the 7970M was the last competitor card that AMD had since then nothing from the red except rebrands.

Nvidia then started to drop ball with OC blocking due to Monopolistic B$ - This dates back to those days before 347.88 drivers came and fixed the ClockBlock mess fiasco happened. In parallel with the DT GTX970 vRAM gimp, They just want to cut corners and play filthy games with consumers as they just don't think "Facebook" "crApple" "<Similar shiz - a.k.a Kool-Aid>" and bam now came the RX480 frying up the Desktop Mobos with high power draw and Nvidia 1070's Micron GDDR5 being gimped not able to OC properly and need a gimper vBIOS patch, Still now the Drivers are a MESS.

While the Notebook realm cut off starting with the 980GTX custom cards from MSI and Clevos - The first test bed & It was a huge hit since we had moar powah. But the Ngreedia took it for granted and dropped the MXM standard spec & LVDS dropping now we have all custom Core positioned MSI 1080 cards / Custom power supply cards / Custom weird shaped mxm's like the ASUSes MSI started to back off their campaign and started to damage control with the trade in program while Clevo necessarily can't push like Alienware they had to adopt nor they had the MSI's cheap tactics, But yeah they did also backstab indirectly, Since the eDP is major game changer, The MSI couldn't afford to make such huge guides to change the MXM cards while many DT owners bash the NB's and most of them don't even care...Even though Clevo's new MXM spec is being told as a standard for upcoming cards I don't just see the HBM to make it with the current HS's. Yeah the tech is significantly improving and repercussions are expected.

Yet I see Clevo as a HERO in this disastrous mess.

This is what we have finally - The consumer is crushed in between these giant corporate forces Some realize it, We just have to make sure we vote with wallet else nothing much will be left for future on the notebook enthusiast / power user stance.

Winblows X is a whole another level of MAFIA tactics from Redmond gimpster-creeps< it's not describable in a post, You'll need to go to the Windows 10 thread at the subforum to know more truth, Niantic also is no less, go to off topic forum to learn about this shady corp, About Google & Android ?

TL;DR - Just cut the bullcrap and get what you want but don't be a fool to blindly believe in these corporations just give a break and think over again, And I'll repeat socketed is not only for upgrades FFS.

Only significant backlash can move these like the NBR Rebellion against the Clockblock or the Huge money influx cut-off.

Looking forward for the PSU option for the 1080 GTX and It's TDP on the AW17 R4.

 

One of the reasons I got rid of all of my Alienware machines was the absence of an upgrade path. Another was a diminishing supply of replacement parts. But, they had already been through so many truly wonderful upgrades that I could not be justified in being angry or feeling slighted. I REALLY got a TON of upgrade mileage out of them... amazing products they used to make. And, there were dozens of models of laptops (including Brother @GTO_PAO11 and his P377SM) that suffered the same fate with the changes to MXM PCB sizes.

Being realistic about this we have been wanting more, and more, and more performance and now we have it. Something had to change to make room for that. It sucks that the new cards won't fit in the older machines, but the most desirable MXM GPUs available today (980 and 1080) require more power than MXM can provide without an auxiliary power source. And, they needed to make larger PCBs for now and for the future. It had to happen sooner or later. I just thank God that we still have options available with socketed desktop K CPUs and MXM slots. Otherwise, I would be so not even a tiny bit interested in owning any laptop made by anyone and would already be back to desktop PCs right now. To me, the idea of using an eGPU as a fun geeky idea for something that is already a beast without it is really attractive. However, any kind of reliance on the eGPU for graphics performance and future upgrades is something that turns me off in a big way. It's more like a crutch than a secret weapon or an extra special play toy gadget in that scenario.

 

You will have to compare it to 1080 capable clevo machines to be fair .

I have absolutely nothing against mr. Fox and I know he's more than useful here . I just have the feeling that some previous AW owners are REALLY frustrated because of the controversial directions AW has taken in the past few years and are going wild on the AW threads, moderators have to frequently clean the AW forums because of that, and that is also a fact .

I like Clevos but like you said, they have pros and cons just like AW, so people are allowed to enjoy modern AW without getting yelled at .

Again Mr. Fox is awesome and I know that but please please go easy on 'bga or not upgradeable' laptops , everything he says is not made to troll/anger, he's just giving his opinion and trying to raise awareness on what he feels is a real injustice in the laptop industry (BGA, MXM dropped, no more upgrades etc.) but again..you are REALLY frustrated with Alienware buddy ^^.

My point of view on the matter is the following :
the real injustice is the F.ing price and the availability of MXM graphic cards and laptop CPUs (i know that they have socketed desktop cpus for laptops but they heat more and make the barebone thicker) ) !!!! If I'd be angry I'd be angry at that ! I remember the 980M was at 750+ euros on ebay when it was released.

So for me after two years, selling my AW and buying a new one cost slightly more than buying a new MXM. without forgetting that the new barebone has new features, a new screen etc.
so that's my honest point of view on the matter.

 

Thank you for saying that. I really appreciate it. Again, my goal for this community is not to do anything except give people lots of information and an alternative view of things to help them make informed decisions. For individuals I want to show kindness and compassion and help them whenever they need help even if I do not agree with their choices.

I also have to be honest with my friends, and I would be lying if I did not admit that my deepest heartfelt wish is for great harm to fall on the OEMs that do not offer any acceptable modular options for people with my interests. They should all be ashamed of offering nothing but BGA options and I think that brands that do this deserve to die. Just my opinion, and I hope the expression of my opinion facilitates their demise. I express these opinions everywhere, not just in Alienware forums. Here, Tech|Inferno, YouTube... everywhere... MSI, ASUS, Aorus, Acer, Razer and the inferior BGA Clevos are all subject to my incessant expressions of ridicule.

What I am trying to say is, I love you guys like brothers and friends, and want only the best for you even if we don't see eye-to-eye about BGA. I mean that with all sincerity.