Nvidia 9-series infos released

http://translate.google.com/transla...usiast-gamers.html&sl=it&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

thought i'd put this up for you guys, some infos on the new 9-series. apparently, the 8800m-gtx is (performance-wise) equivalent to the 9800m-gt, the second-best card in the lineup. both sport 64 stream processors and 360 gigaflops.

oh, did i mention you can't have the 9800m-gtx in the m860tu? so we've still got the most powerful mobile graphics card in a 15.4" notebook




EDIT: sorry that it's an italian site, the (google) translation isn't very good, but it should suffice.

 

Could be, from the benchmarks paladin posted the 9800m gt is slightly faster than the 8800m gtx, but it could aswell just be because of the increase FSB for ram and penryn processor. Or it could just be an marginal error in the comparison, just as 2 computers with same specs and everything the same wont be behaving exactly indentical.

We will just have to wait and see until more people gets it i guess!

 

I don't get it...
You say "Appartently, the 8800mGTX is equivalent to the 9800mGT (performance wise)."
Then you say you still have the most powerful graphics card in a 15.4'' notebook.
No... you have a graphic card that is comparable (performance wise) with the 9800mGT. Just that, supposedly, the 9800mGT delivers the same performance and a smaller heat output.

More... some real life tests between both (in the exact same machine) show that the 9800m GT is actually about 1% faster! Not significative but hey... I don't think that you can say that the M15x keeps the crown of the fastest GPU in a 15.4''.

Nevertheless, performance wise, the 8800GTX is still pretty much, the best you are going to have on a 15.4''.

I actually do not know what other improvements the 9x series will have. If they will have any real improvements in, lets say, Dx10 performance and etc...

 

The only benchmarks I saw showed a 1fps increase in Crysis. It's the same performance as the 8800mgtx. That's really sad if you think about it. The m15x has reigned supreme for months in the 15" niche, and now that it's only competitor has surfaced, the best it can do is match the performance and can't exceed it.

 

Svarto, the small increase was achieved on the exact same machine. They just swapped GPUs. Nevertheless, as they say, the differences seen are statistically insignificant. You should assume that, performance wise, the GPUs are going to be exactly the same.

Hopefully the 9800GT will be able to run cooler. Maybe it would be a good solution for the M15x.

 

I was actually expecting more. I guess you have to fault Nvidia, or maybe clevo for not being able to fit the 9800mGTX in the m860tu chassis. Being able to have a 9800mGTX in the new clevo would have really stolen the thunder from AW and given the notebook a substantial edge. It's really too bad they couldn't put it in.

 

It's a bit unfair to say that... Clevo could very well go and stick a 9800m GTX on the M860TU, but they were not looking for fame like AW did when they decided to stick the 8800GTX on the M15x. Clearly they made a mistake...
How good is having the 8800GTX if it will go above 100ºC?
Clevo excluded the 9800GTX of the M860TU due to thermal profile. It would run too hot... AW wouldn't/couldn't care less about thermal profiles of the GPUs they sticked into the M15x.

Just think about what happened since the beggining... Downclocking, overheating, etc etc etc... Does that sound they even did any testing before they thrown the M15x out to their costumers???

Anyway... who knows what will happen with the M860TU. Maybe it will be the same disaster... I like to think that no one would be reckless enough to repeat AW's same mistake.

 

err unless i missed some thing the 8800m GTX has more than 64stream processors... i remember it being 90 some thing.. i could be wrong


yer the 8800m GTX has
Stream Processors 96

the 8800m GTS
is the one with 64

but i guess we should wait. 9800m GTX looks like its going to blow the 8800m GTX out of the water but... so i may have to shift my eye to 17inch..

 

Are you kidding? If they manage to put a MOntevina platform, with a similar/slightly better GPU that can properly handle the thermal budget... how come they don't "steal the thunder from AW"? If the new clevo is better built, solid, deals well with heat... I can assure you AW is going to take quite a fall. Well... Just look at the ammount of people facing towards Clevo right now.

Anyway... I'm actually glad that Clevo didn't put the 9800mGTX in. It shows responsability and shows that Clevo can be given a bit more of credit than AW that only cares about image and using the title "King of the 15.4'' GPUs... So fast it can even burn out on you!".

 

Just to finish... From day one, everyone knew that the new Clevo would have the 8800GTX. Those were the initial specs released by Clevo (when the laptops were first announced). So I can't really see why you were expecting more. So... they will give you the same, better quality, more reliable, smaller price and still 0.5% performance improvement . What else were you expecting?

 

except that the 8800m-gtx in the m15x never goes above 88 degrees cause that's when the fan kicks in.

 

Ask Grove what he thinks about that?

 

i just hope the new revamp of the m15x after they Breed thing is over has the 9800m GTX and not just the 9800m GT .. which is a given.

Also if u notice Alienware America is running out of 8800m GTX stock.. so clearly they have stopped making/ordering them.

Even if Alienware put a downclocking 9800m GTX in the new m15x its still going to blow every thing out of the water as the card is quite a jump.

 

Both 8800m GTX and 9800m GT have 96 processors cores and 360Gigaflops (whatever that means). Pretty much is a rebranded GPU. Maybe it will have some minor improvements... We will see.
I do think though, that the 9800mGTX will take the game into the next level but I'm sure that it will never be used on the M15x unless they want to risk a total meltdown.

 

Milcs, as I said, it's several months after the m15x was released and this is the best they can come up with? The gpu's are practically identical. Montevina is not going to give anything noticeable in gaming to the notebook. You simply aren't going to be able to boot up Crysis and go "Wow, this is a montevina..." So what we have is the closest thing that could be called "competition" to the m15x being released several months later and not only can it only "match" the performance of the m15x, but it has none of the cool features and extendability in the m15x.

I've got a 320gb second hd in my smartbay right now, doubling my storage space. Can the m860tu do that? No, it can't. I've got a smartbay battery that doubles my battery life giving me anywhere between 5-7 hours of battery life. Can the clevo compare? Not even close. I've got stealth and the ability to switch to onboard video to significantly extend battery life when I'm on the plan or not gaming. Can the clevo do that? Again, no it can't. Plus, AlienFX and the aesthetics are no comparison as far as eye candy is concerned.

So, as you see... you've got a notebook that has sacrificed many of the cool features the m15x offers and doesn't give you anything in return to make up for it. If the clevo had the 9800mGTX, then you could justify things a little better, but it doesn't, and it won't. The only thing going for it at this point is that it's $1000 less in price, but if I had to sacrifice smartbay, onboard video, stealth mode, and the aesthetics, it had better be $1000 less.

 

it seems like nvidia rushed out the 9xxx series because there really isn't a huge performance boost between the 8xxx and the 9xxx.

 

One thing is for sure... The Clevo doesn't have the best extra the M15x comes out with. Breaking after 3 months worth of opening and closing the lid!

We can only agree to disagree Groove. I think the M15x has nothing serious to offer anymore. But that is obviously, in my perspective. Smartbay... only really the battery, because I can easily use an external HDD. Even battery... I will just buy two and swap them when one is running out (yes, I will have to put it to sleep first), it does have a "stealth mode" (It's called something like "silent mode"), and most of the resellers can paint whatever you want on the laptop (even black, go guess!!!).

So yes... I do think it's a huge step and that it makes me happy I actually don't have the M15x anymore. I would be really dissapointed by now...
But... that's just me (and my mother always says I'm a bit stupid!)

 

actually, i believe there's an IGP on the montevina motherboards now. but the rest, i'm with you.

 

Look, this is their release information:

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So... why is it dissapointing? This was exactly what they promised from the beggining. If you were expecting more... then you were just lacking on information, no!?

 

I don't know who started that rumor but I haven't found any evidence for it whatsoever. If it's true, it's certainly suspiciously absent from all the spec sheets. Check out here and here.

I find it hard to believe that sager and all the other clevo resellers would have forgotten to mention this little ability on the m860tu because it would substantially increase it's battery life. I think whoever posted that initially was posting it out of wishful thinking.

 

sorry, the IGP's part of Nehalem, not Montevina.

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehalem_(microarchitecture))

i must've gotten it mixed up somewhere. my bad.

 

Watching some photos, well... 1 fan only... Clevo is hard believing that montevina will do a lot less heat that santa rosa... if this fails they are screwed.

And i doubt that the m15x or the m860 will have a 9800GTX on them. Cooling seems to have reached an limit for the time being on 15,4" notebooks.

 

Clevo/sager already said they will not be offering the 9800m gtx in the M860

 

well isn't the new 9800m GTX like 420 gflops. And it also has a larger Wattage profile of over 45 watts. So A 9800 in the M15x would be thermal suicide. I wouldn't at all be surprised if AW release a new 15" system. My only concern wold be that internally they haev admitted to the current M15x being a bit of a let down, but they will still( and have to say it )continue stating it a great system. Well what does that mean for M15x owners. "Well thanks guys for being the guinea pigs, we now know where we blundered. And by the way your not getting anything new when it comes to fixing the M15x. But if you want to trade up your system, we will gladly take more of your money".

 

Meh, THermal suicide or not Judd. I'd rather man up and take the heat.
I had that MBP your name currently has, if you run bootcamp and play a gfx intensive game hot gets a new meaning

 

the 9 series cards have second generation pieces that are "meant" to perform 40%-50% better, so it would make sense for it to be the same as an 8800mgtx

 

yes, they said they will not be offering, but i could see that changing in about 3-4 months or so.

 

Yup it sure gets hot when in bootcamp running those games. But I still have my Desktop for that Gaming fix lol.