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It is simply a technical problem: that 8800 is the first card format PCI Express 2...
This must be the explanation !

 

The 8700 is still the older variety?

I don't think there is a physical barrier, because the m15x offers both 8700 and 8800, and the m9750 offers 8700. So it mus be physically compatible. And then it may only need a BIOS update, if anything, to work correctly. Hmmmm...

 

And would alienware really have been sleazy enough to pretend they were working on it if something that blatant made it physically impossible?

 

Mmmmh ! It's like... compatibility between MXM 2 and 3 : the 2 go in the 3, but not 3 in the 2...
And this new connexion is ready for M15x and M17x

 

In case anyone has not been able to translate it themselves, it appears that "portables4gamers" does not have any reliable sources.

No insult to this forum member, but the story here ( http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?h...-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=EUa&sa=N)
Is drawn directly from a post on this forum. That does not qualify as quality reporting in my book.

 

I agree with mjl . . . that is not a reliable source. Wait for something official before making a conclusion.

 

The source it's Me, I tell to Alienware, I speak with technician, at the moment, Area 9750 and 8800M GTX =game over
We expect a response from christophe Maire, director europe of alienware.
It is the same person who compatibility, and source of compatibility was his,

sorry, but English and me = 0

edit Finally, we have never had any other official who announced the compatibility
edit² Do not believe that I am happy for this situation, I also have a 9750, and I expected this uprgade

 

Pas facile à convaincre...
Il ne restera plus qu'à traduire le mail de C. Maire...
Mais j'espère toujours qu'Alien changera d'avis... ou résoudra ce problème technique...

 

I'm having a dilemma. I'm going to buy an Alienware laptop tonight or tomorrow. I just found out about the new m15x yesterday though and that throws a wrench in the works. I was planning on buying the m9750 but now I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

Here's what I'll use the laptop for:
Some games. Not a whole lot though.
Video and audio editing.
Web design. (Dreamweaver)
Web surfing.
Lots of movie's and video's.
Normal amount of music.
Photoshop.

Here are the important stats on the m9750 I was going to buy:
Dual 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8700M GT - SLI Enabled
17" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD with Clearview Technology - Stealth Black
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz 4MB Cache 667MHz FSB
Windows Vista® Home Premium
200GB 7,200RPM (16MB Cache)

And here are the stats on the m15x that I might get instead:
512MB Nvidia® GeForce™ Go 8800M GTX
15.4" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD (1080p)
Intel® Core™ 2 X7900 2.8GHz – Extreme Edition (4MB Cache 800MHz FSB)
Windows Vista® Home Premium
200GB 7200RPM (16MB Cache)

So which is superior with those options?

Also, do I need the 4GB of memory or should I go with 2GB? If I don't really need that much, it would be nice to save the money.

Thanks in advance for any help.

(I did call Alienware support and they just confused me even more)

 

RSH, here some bullets to help you.

m9750
- Great for doing alot of graphics work, the 17in monitor would be nice.
- Plan on using the system while it is plugged in 90% of the time. About an hour of battery time
- Can get away with only 2.5GB of Ram. System only uses that amount no more. 4GB is a waste of money.
- Good Gaming machine

m15x
- Plan on using the system in class or outside, unplugged. Great battery life.
- Good Gaming machine
- Can take avantage of all 4GBs of ram in 64bit OSs, 3.5GB in 32Bit

 

eightD - for 2.5, did you do a 2 + 512 config, and were there any BIOS tricks for that? I tried that on my new box and 0F04 BIOS had a stroke. Now using 2 + 2 and is working stable.

 

I bought the system with only 1GB of mem, then bought 2 x 2GB from Newegg.

I started to get crashes while copying large files (20gb +), over LAN or USB, and playing games for more than 30mins. So I just pulled out one 2GB module and replaced it with a 512 module that the system came with. Very Very Stable now. Running Vista and have not crashed since I made the change.

 

Hmmm,, which slot for the 2 Gb? and did you have to match manufacturer, timings etc? Mine cratered (0F04) when I did that.

 

It didn't matter. I tried it in both slots, right now it is in slot 1. I didn't match timing or manufacturer only speed both running at 667.

I doubt there is a difference but I'm running the Vista BIOs, 0F04 is for XP.

If 2x2GB is working for you go with it, going 2GB + 512 is not going to give you any more speed. In theory it should give you less.

 

I guys it's official
I'm Sorry Frenchies were right, is not only for Europe, but all country .

http://portables4gamers.wordpress.com/2008/01/17/area-51-m9750-et-geforce-8800m-gtx-cest-officiel/

 

Here's what it says in short:

 

I dont believe this excuse of "too much power". the 7590s consume 10 extra watts each than the 8800 GTX. There may be other technical reasons but this is a little hard to swallow.

 

Absolutely
Imo, it's a promotion thing

 

Yeah me too I dont believe this excuse, but not confused TDP and electric consumption .
It's like the 570RU V3 Who plants with 8800M GTX

 

Does anyone have a "corporate" website with the power consumption, interface, and heat information for the Go 7950GTX, 8700m, and 8800m?

I want to get as much of it together before I call alienware to ask again. If they don't offer it, they don't offer it, but I want to at least see if it is technically possible so I can get past the excuses.

Thanks

EDIT: I could not find power info on nVidia's site, but I might have missed it.

 

8700M GT: 128 bit, 29 watt TDP
8800M GTX: 256 bit, 35 watt TDP
Go7950 GTX: 256 bit, 45 watt TDP

 

Not that I doubt you, but where is this from?
I like being able to say "look right here" to force them to concede that power is not the issue.

Thank You,
mjl2142

 

Sorry is not the Electrical consumption, but it's the TDP

 

Yep sorry about that

Do you have any info on power consumption?

 

I have not TDP's of cards (8700/8800/7950) but I said Clevo 570RU (the olds version ) do not agree 8800.
When the clevo leaves his standby, laptop boot due to excessive consumption of the card. I suppose it is a similar worries with 9750 ...

edit not reads TDP but Electrical consumption

 

Those figures still make it almost impossible for the 8800 to use more power, since it would give off more heat.....

http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=3155&p=3

 

-_- ... Think what you want the result is the same, no 8800M GTX in Alienware Area m-9750 ..
Technical problem or marketing, and adapting a card other than in alienware is probably impossible, Alienware are based on a system of graphic's card mothers and daughters, SLI or not activated .

 

If it were only a matter of Alienware not wanting to take away sales from the new laptops, why couldn't someone just buy the card anyway, get the drivers, and install them?

 

You probably could, but it's next to impossible to find notebook cards sold without a notebook.
MXM compatible ones are even rarer...

 

With Davidoff, it's one of the main projects we have for the future coming weeks
But it seems that the cards for alienware have change.

Last probleme, we see many screen of 8800M GTX and we noticed a slight change in plots memories, it's a problem for the heat's sink, i supposed, the news heat sink of 570 RU-U agree plots memory of 8700 and 8800, but on Area 9750 i dont know ..

Edit: A pro Austrian sells 8800M GTX for Clevo 570RU-U On ebay .. have not money

 

Link?

mjl2142

 

http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...Sell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

 

Anyone have one in English or at least ship to the United States?

 

problem with the picture is that I don't see where to attach the SLI cable.

Also, I forgot that this card is manufactured at the 65nm process. Therefore it could consume more power with a smaller thermal envelope. Crap, this just put the life expectancy of my laptop down 2 years.....

 

You talk about this ?

 

I just purchased an Area-51 m9750 to replace my Dell XPS Gen 3 desktop and i am curious if i will notice a major improvement/degredation in performance.

The Gen 3 XPS had the following Configuration:
Processor: x86 Family 15 Model 3 Pentium 4 3.60GHz CPU
Memory: 2Gigs of Ram
Video/Graphics Card: ATI Radeon X800XT 256-bit quad-channel GDDR3 memory interface
AGP 8X support or PCI Express ™ support
Storage: 149GB Sata drive 5500 RPM
Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition
sound card: Creative Audigy audio processor (WDM)

The Area-51 I just ordered today is configured as follows:
Video/Graphics Card: Dual 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ Go 7950 GTX - SLI Enabled - Free SLI Upgrade!
Chassis: 17" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD with Clearview Technology - Stealth Black
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7200 2.0GHz 4MB Cache 667MHz FSB
Memory: 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SO-DIMM at 667MHz – 2 x 1024MB
Operating System (Office software not included): Windows Vista® Home Premium
Notebook Tuners and Remotes: Without Media Center Remote Control or TV Tuner
System Drive: High Performance with Data Security (RAID 1) - 120GB (120GB x 2) 7,200RPM (8MB Cache)
Optical Drives : Dual Layer Blu-ray Disc Reader (BD-ROM, DVD±RW, CD-RW)
Wireless Network Card: Internal Intel® Wireless 4965 a/b/g/Draft-N Mini-Card
Sound Card : High-Definition Audio with surround sound
Warranty: 1-Year AlienCare Toll-Free 24/7 Phone Support w/ Onsite Service
AlienRespawn: AlienRespawn v2.0 Recovery DVD – Windows Vista® Edition

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated

 

Yeah, that. it is not on the board pic from the ebay link. This leads me to believe that nVidia is still finalizing the deployment of the SLI versions of the M8800, and why the m17x isnt out yet.

At jimbeam:

Yes, this will be a major performance boost for you across the board. I had a Ferrari 4000 before this laptop, and it had a X700 and 5400 rpm hard drive. The alienware beats it hands down. I like your config as well. well though out choices. Question though - What is that "Free SLI upgrade" you have mentioned after the 7950 video cards?

 

The free SLI upgrade is a promo they are having right now where u get the dual 7950 video cards for "free" and allows you to upgrade to the new 8800 cards when they come out. The rep told me that i would be notified when the 8800 is available- hopefully this wasn't bs but he reassured me 3 times this was the case. Just to be clear, the upgrade to the 8800 will not be free there is a fee involved and because i didnt buy the 2 year warrenty i dont get the discount or the free shipping.

 

I haven't heard anything about this 8800 card upgrade. Is it on there website somewhere?

 

The info about the promo for the free upgrade to SLI is on the website but you have to talk to a customer service represntative to find out about the ability to upgrade to the new card. They will also tell you about the discount you will get on the new 8800 cards when you buy the extended warrenty.

 

Sorry guy, you have to forgot this 8800 in your futur M9750... It will not be possible... Alienware Europe confirm this bad issue : http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=2883555&postcount=1216
Sorry for your dream !
And for mine...

 

I'm getting confused now, lol

 

I tried to call them back today but they are closed. If the service rep lied to me then i will be switching my order to the m15x. I just hope they dont say its too late to switch by the time i call them again on monday to clarify this issue. I am ordering from the American branch, not sure why that should make a difference though on what they are telling us. Do people think that the m15x is better In terms of graphics and performance? (i listed the configuration of the m9750 i ordered on the last page).

 

Minikisscool, i chated with a sales representative, and she told me the same crap she told jimbeam about 8800 upgrade..

 

if you use babelfish or something on that french alienware link, you can even see the people's responses there. they're all talking about how the 8800m use less power than the 7950 gtx, and that it's possible alienware is trying to push it's new product. i don't know if anyone is believing them right at this moment. i mean, how good does it look on your record that you lied to your customers to sell your products.

 

The answer we had came from Christophe Maire, Director of International Development... So he can lie, I hope, but I think it's not the good time to order a M9750 instead of M15 or later M17...
I still hope it's just a way to make us order this M9750 replacement : M17...
Or a Clevo !!!

 

The m9750 replacement will be whatever is after the Santa Rosa m15x and m17x boxes .... and considering Intel releases 45nm stuff mid Summer, I'd expect to see some noise about that this fall. Maybe some 9000-series Nvidia card? Saw TomsHardware article on the desktop version last week. Heh, whatever the timing, I have no interest in upgrading my m9750 until that stuff appears.

Oh, and I'll say it, I hope they go back to the m9750 style rubberized chassis, or similiar. I am in the m9750 looks better than the m17x camp.

 

Me too ! Skullcap powaaaaaaaaa

 

You must be many many calling US alienware and ask them why they made a false promess !
I hope you (everyone who have just odrerd a M9750) can change your order quickly...
I ordered mine 2 month ago, but if i had knew, i had changed for D900c...

 

Yeah , it is a pub misleading indeed