The nVidia 680m is NOT overpriced!

Hopefully we'll get a price cut like the 580M's last year. 350-380$ seems the reasonable price for a 680M

 

Yeahh that day there will be additional option for 780M XD

 

I remembered the 580M had the price cut way before the 7970M/680M arrived

 

Well as i know while considerin UK update, there was massive drop off price before approx 3 month of 7970m releases. Additionally there will be 7990M end of this year which will will approx 30% faster then both of these cards.

 

If a 7970M is a 7870 desktop, the 7990 would be a 7950 desktop?

Which means that the 680M (desktop 670) is closely matched to a 7990, if not outperform it

 

Unless there's a production line delay on the 680M, we should have at least one forum member receive a 680M SLI configured M18xR2 tomorrow (Monday). Keep your fingers crossed that 1. they get the correct power supply and 2. they post up some benchmarks and the GPU config

 

Where do people get this 7970m = 7870 and 680m = 670?

 

Notebookcheck website

 

They need to finish their work on the 7970M first. Since 7970M CrossFire is still broken right now, roughly 60 days since it was released without a good driver to support it, the thought of 7990M CrossFire is not very appealing to me at this time.

 

680m is around a GTX 580m, but when overclocked it can get all the way up to 50-55 FPS on BF3 all maxed out which is pretty close to a 670 averaging 65-70 FPS.

and there won't be a 7990m (or atleast it will be boycotted) if AMD does nothing about the unstable performances of 7970m with enduro. because people will stop trusting AMD to support and actually fix (not just release drivers that are compatible but not actually make anything better ) their product's problems.

 

I think you mean Desktop 580, not 580m

Also, I wouldnt bet on "there won't be a 7990m" being entirely true. Remember, these manufacturers are about profit. I wouldnt be shocked at all if AMD brought out a 7990m as there are always people out there who will pay for what is supposedly, cutting edge gpu's.....wether or not the 7970m problems get resolved quickly or not, AMD will want to make more money on new cards. Sucks, but it's the painful truth.

 

Click edit. Delete "will" and insert "have" then click save and close.

 

Can someone with 680M or 680M SLI post the GPU-Z image here!
just to check whether it has 2GB or 4GB VRAM. Thanks.

 

Not my gpu-z, but thanks to mrm2x for posting his - 2gb vRam:

 

Can anybody here run 3Dmark 11 extreme preset and monitor the memory usage? Vs the 4GB at clevo cards... well, doubts.

 

It's as if you guys have no experience with AMD/ATI. You're just thinking about the cost. Have they ever ever had there video card drivers work correctly? Let me answer that for you, NO. I had 5870s in crossfire and it was the second coming every time a new driver was released. Just the process of cleaning out the old drivers was ridiculous. Then you get to see what works and what doesn't. I'm not really familiar with the mobile side of AMD, but it can't be much better. Nvidia has a proven track record of there video cards working out of the box. The 690 is scaling almost at 100% which is insane. A pray for you folks with 7970s in crossfire. You may of saved some money, but your in for alot of headaches.

 

I've had AMD drivers work great, and I've had Nvidia drivers fail hard. I've never had a video card work well out of the box, of either brand.

In fact, I currently have an AMD 5800 series in my desktop, and an Nvidia 300m series gpu in my laptop. Both work well.

 

I just want to say publicly, after thinking a lot more about the price differences, and while what I initially said can be rationalized (as I did), I think I was wrong. The 680m is WAY over-priced. Sometimes it is better to step back and use reasonable judgement instead of analyzing a myriad of characteristics to come up with the truth. In truth, that's one expensive sucker! But, it was fun reading the replies to a conversation generating statement like that .

 

lol well done

 

lol, let me light that rep icon up for you

 

Good read, and interesting discussion.. I'll stay on for a bit

 

The Gtx 680m is overpriced and heres why.

Recently purchased a Dell Precision M6600 with a 3 year warranty and Firepro M8900 which has since been converted to a AMD Hd 6970m.
A few add ons such as killer wifi card and webcam were also purchased.
All for under £750. Thats everything included.

The minimum asking price Ive discovered for a Gtx 680m is £680 ( Quite fitting tbh)
For...a...card.

Whilst not as extreme as the K5000 and its £1499 asking price, when taken into conjunction with the entire system I bought it easily conveys just how expensive this new gen card is.
IMO it does not feature good value for money whatsoever.

Yes, the M6600 and its Sandy bridge components are last gen but this is a poor excuse.
The "jump" to Ivy Bridge was massively underwhelming and offered very little gains against Sandy.

Compared to the HD 7970m it is also clearly apparent how crap the value is - in all regards

 

2GB dual 680's in sli on the m18x r2: 1100$

4BG dual 680's in sli on the sager NP9370: 900$

What the hell dell?

 

Well noted Defengar.
A lot of marketing hype concerning the "new gen" cards.

Branding also plays a role.

EDIT: Lowest price is £648... makes it so much more affordable.

 

Well, just one of the new gen cards is very close to as powerful as two of the last gen video cards in CrossFire or SLI. I agree that Ivy Bridge CPU was not a big deal, but the HM77 chipset, PCIe 3.0 and doubled GPU power is worth the extra money to those that are into having the most power available. For ordinary users that just want something that is very good and adequate it would be a waste of money because 6990M and 580M are still more than adequate for average users and basic PC gamers.

 

I don't believe the 680m is overpriced. There are pretty good arguments in here, although, I see it like this: You want the best? You pay. It's as simple as that. When the next series comes out, people will gripe about the same thing. But, do you want the best? If so, you'll have to pay up. The newest and best products will always be more money.

I don't think it's overpriced at all, it's priced at what people are willing and able to pay, exactly how it should be.

 

Compared to its current rival the HD 7970m the Nvidia Gt 680m is clearly too expensive.
Your point is defunct on the basis that the 7970m offers better performance in some games, similar performance in others, and lesser performance in a few - Yet, it is priced at half of what Nvidia is asking.
On the basis of value for money Nvidia fails terribly. Ergo is it therefore overpriced.

The notion of having the best meaning you also incur the greatest expense is stupid.
There are too many variables in the world of technology to have that mindset.

I have the money to purchase two Gt 680ms.
I won't because A) I don't have 2 MXM slots in my Precision and B) the performance upgrade from a HD 6970m doesn't at all justify the enormous price.

 

When i have my M18X I will check out the amount of VRAM, the thought if having 2 x 4Gb is intriguing to say the least...? All information that I have read says up to 4Gb... perhaps there are two versions of the 680M?

OB

P.S. Just found this article, it seems to suggest that each 690M card has 4Gb VRAM... Review GeForce GTX 680M vs. Radeon HD 7970M - Notebookcheck.net Reviews

OB

 

That's right. We have the Dell GTX 680M with only 2Gb vRAM/card and the Clevo GTX 680M with 4Gb vRAM/card

 

Eh, YAY!!! I'm just glad we didn't get the extra VRAM, all that extra weight might be a problem...?

We'll have to settle for sheer coolness instead...

OB

 

I agree with you. You get what you pay for. Although it is far from inexpensive, I don't consider the price to be unreasonable. Just one 680M is as powerful as 6990M CrossFire or 580M SLI. The price difference between 7970M and 680M can easily be made up in overall product quality and better driver support in my opinion. I don't see anything wrong with paying more for better quality. It's a shame some folks think it's OK to call people stupid for having a different opinion. Thankfully, people like that don't represent the majority of the members in our community.

 

Again with the indirect flaming in a highly probable attempt to stir.
Getting pretty tired with you Fox if I'm honest.
You're a mod - sure as hell wouldn't know it.

To clear things up I did not say he was stupid. Far from it.
The notion was.

I'm not sure if the Gtx 680m is as powerful as two HD 6990ms, what I do know is that two of these can be picked up for under half the price of this all wonderful 680m.

"Get what you pay for"....?!
A crossfire set up of HD 7970ms can be obtained for the same price as a single Gtx 680m and gives even greater performance!
You honestly believe that the Nvidia support and quality is worth double the price?!
Well, it is your money I suppose.

Both manufacturers have strengths and weaknesses but neither can claim double the price of any rival GPU for the current offerrings.
They are rivals for a reason and I hope it stays that way.

However, I sense fanboyism and for that reason aren't going to debate further with you.

 

So, your argument is two graphics cards can beat a single graphics card? Performance wise, hur dur - of course. A child could tell you two is almost always better than one. As for what it costs, you're paying more, but for an overall better card (proven fact). I have nothing against either card, although, all of the AMD owners I've consulted myself over the past few months, have all told me to get the 680m - if I have the money to do so - every single one of them. Does that say something about AMD? Yes, in my opinion, it does. This is what influenced my decision to purchase the 680m card, no "fan-boy" feelings - actual facts and testimonials.

I understand your argument from one angle only: price. Purchasing the 7970m in Crossfire is the same price as a single 680m. If for some crazy reason nVidia couldn't make the 680m in SLI for the Alienware M18x, I would not purchase a single GPU over two GPU's. However, I know for a fact, a single 680m outperforms a single 7970m. Arguing from the cost perspective is a weak angle. Some of us are more fortunate than others, some of us don't care about the cost, and some of us just want the best. It's a completely personal matter, especially if you only consider price.

 

@ J.Dre

Again I did not say the fanboyism was from you.
You are too quick to jump to conclusions and enter an unnecessary defensive stance.

Arguing from a cost perspective is weak?
No - It's sensible, especially with technology and even more so concerning these new GPU's.
And it's actually based on Value for money rather than solely price, which is undoubtedly IMO the most important factor.
Something AMD has had against Nvidia for some time now.

The money invested in Sli Gtx 680m's could go a lot further in other components such as the processor, Ram, etc.
Heck, the money saved could be used to purchase the Next Gen AMD card which would offer even greater performance.

This apparent amount of AMD users advising to go with Nvidia says only one thing to me - That many simply could not afford to do so.
The amount of complaints are likely to die down quickly as the issues are being sorted with the latest catalyst, which I'll admit, is well overdue.
I'm rolling with an M8900 (Coverted to a HD 6970m) so I know full well.
However the price I paid for my system, means that this alone doesn't outweigh the sheer value for money.

There's an entire thread dedicated to how extorionately priced the Gtx 680m Sli actually is compared to the HD 7970m crossfire as well as it covering the overpriced components Alienware use against Sager/Clevo.

Everyone will choose the brand that suits them best.
I personally go with the best value for money concerning technology now for two reasons.

1). I don't mind tweaking the settings IF required as most games don't look an ounce of damn difference in my eyes from the likes of between medium and Ultra.
In regard to your point with unsatisfied AMD users statistics (which in of itself is an insignificant piece of evidence), how many individuals are actually satisfied that aren't present on these forums?
Not only this, but how many do you actually believe will take the Gtx 680m's over the HD 7970m's?
Price easily is the deciding factor for most and makes your numbers game just irrelevant.

2). Techology depreciates at such an incredible rate that it simply makes that initial expensive purchase for the "most" powerful components at the time a waste in the long run when compared to their cheaper companies' rival products.

EDIT: I also like both companies and should Nvidia offer better value for money on my next purchase then they will be the brand I go for.

 

By "arguing from a cost perspective is weak", I mainly meant: You can't say something is better or worse, because it's cheaper or more expensive - that's illogical. I agree with what you said about how things depreciate, which is unfortunate, but true. I'd still get the 680m in SLI because of what I've heard, learned, and witnessed. I still stand by my initial argument. I see the facts presented before me, and I know for a fact the 680m is a better card (maybe not by a landslide, but it is better). I'm not willing to spend a dime on technology that is older and performs slightly worse, especially if I plan on having this laptop for at least four years. In my position (long-term), the 680m would be the best decision - even if it costs more money. I'm not a computer engineer or technician; as a result, I would never attempt to manually upgrade the CPU/GPU on my own, which may be an option for some. In my situation, I'm not willing to risk $5,000 on the off-chance I succeed in doing so. Perhaps one day I'll consider doing so, you never know.

 

Fair point.
I went ahead and configured your beast specification on the UK Alienware site.
I have not added the Blu ray drive or any additional warranty.

It came to a total of £4,194.39 = $ 6,750.05

The gt 680m's are £590 = $949.89 more expensive than the Crossfire set up.

My question is - When would you consider value?

 

I'm installing the RAM & SSD's myself, which saves a few hundred dollars. I'm not sure why it's almost $7,000 in the U.K, it's a lot less when I configure it.

By value, I assume you mean cost, yes? If so, as long as it remains affordable, I'll buy it. But I probably wouldn't pay more than $6,000 for a laptop, if that's what you were aiming for.