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    Undervolting

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by doofus99, Jun 15, 2018.

  1. doofus99

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    I have had a couple of crashes with my undervolting and think it happened at idle speeds so I am thinking may be we need to undervolt based on a curve, ie less undervolt at low frequencies and more undervolt at high frequencies. Has anyone done this and how ?
     
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    Just add some MV again, you can't really control the voltage control when its on adaptive. Also I have a question for you via PM.
     
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    Yeah, I have these too (system thread or kernel exception not handled) with -0.100V. Most of the times it happened when I left my computer idle for 10-15 minutes. Yesterday it happened with -0.75V, too so I'll have to go higher than that.

    Of course, here I presume that some driver is not the culprit, but WhoCrashed didn't point to any. On the other hand, I kept from updating to Intel Thermal framework 8.3 which I see says that it has some Win10 Fall Creators update support added, so perhaps there is some incompatibility problem there.
     
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    I found out that -150mV was not as stable as the -140mV which seems to be holding out great.
     
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    Hey! I'm considering this machine for work and was wondering if you could run cinebench r15 mutlicore test?
     
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    Stock 4.3ghz score.
    43new.jpg
     
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    Why you don’t run stock clocks (48-46-45-44-44-43) for stock bench? Due put/run lowest possible voltage? I have seen the same for your other clocks/bench. If I want 45, 46 or 47 I still use max multi for rest of clocks. I only switch 6 core multi. Aka all other will always be above.
     
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    is it a crime to do so? I could but i want fix clocks for all threads. If i want a higher clock than i adjust it. A clock only usable with 1 or 2 Threads is useless for me.
     
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    I call it down clocking. Equal clocks will be as max multi. See... All equal multi 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52 or 53 all 6 cores. Stock is stock as explained above. Stock clocks is the power saver profile. Almost never used.

    Edit. Can you disable Thermal Velocity boost? Aka for stock.
     
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    come on bro... salty that you cant flame the ,,wimpy, BGA turdbook,, score anymore?

    A discussion with you is absolutly senseless... As long as a BGA score is lower than yours ur the first one entering a thread and flame...but if a wimpy BGA Turdbook is matching your score.....u say nothing... ^^ its funny
     
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    I have checked and compared Skylake, Kaby Lake and Coffee lake. Just ask others. @Falkentyne @Mr. Fox @Phoenix @Ashtrix @Vistar Shook @KY_BULLET ++
    I don’t flame, neither have I talked about B** I come with facts.

    See... 4.8GHz @100w in Cinebench R15.
     
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    ^^ sure bro...

    as i said before... you will never admit that a BGA achieved a good score or a score similar to a LGA one...

    ive read the clevo threads (owner lounge with 8700K DTR)... many of the 8700k cinebench scores (4.8ghz and less) are lower than mine... but gues who said nothing? But once a i98950HK score is too low... you are the first one complaining about it. Thats why i end this discussion at this point.
     
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    I have seen you put a lot job into make highest possible scores due my talk about this. That’s +rep.
    But not all LGA Owner’s do it. And not all know how to push. But from my point of view BGA Still need 1 bin to come on same level. That’s facts. I have pushed mostly for higher clocks and scores. I will probably when I have time and want.... Go for higher scores for the lower clocks. Haven’t been a priority. Because low clocks is boring.
     
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    and i proved that the ,,facts,, are wrong.
    you got 1455 optimized
    I got 1432 optimized but i use slower ram. You said that ramspeed would give only up to 1% so my max. score would be 1446.

    So we are within 0,6% Range... i dont think thats 1 bin. And to be honest... Iam pretty sure that you know more tweaks to push the cinebench score than i know...

    But i think we can end this here...You have your opinion and i have my one. Let it rest.

    but I admit you motivated me to tweak my system ;)
     
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    Sorry I haven’t the link. 0.5-1% with dual vs. single ram stick. I will post info about it if wanted when I’m on my machine home. Vacation bruh. And on small Phone with 53 years old eyes.

    Btw. I run 1449 stock clocks first time I put in the 8700K after firmware/hardware mod due Intel skipped Z170 suport. No tweaking, Directly after chips in.+1460 as well for stock. And cheap OEM ram.

    Edit. Regarding 1 bin. BGA need +1 bin to come on level or higher!! Maybe my English ain’t easy to understand. Not my first language. Will never be :(
     
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    its ok. Stop it here. I am tired to argue about 1% cpu performace.
     
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    That’s ok, bruh :) But we haven’t talked about the real clocks. The difference will probably increase with the real/higher clocks. But It’s Ok for me. And I’m interested in tech. 24/7/365
     
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    I know :D for you the real clocks begin with 5Ghz.

    I will never say that BGA is better than LGA. It isnt (performance wise). With my wimpy 110w and limited bios, i will never run a 5ghz CB run. Its not possible.

    But i think...no one thought that it would be possible to run CB and game with 4.7ghz with the aw17r5. For me my aw17 is the perfect mix of portability and performance for daily gaming during my work travels.
     
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    Thank You!

    Was getting 1270 on 8750h before I killed my mobo (don’t ask I did something stupider than you can imagine).

    That score is really good but for the price differential......

    Maybe I should wait until prices stabilize on the 8950hk...
     
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    Be carefull. I have LM on my Notebook. So my score might be a bit higher than average. Expect 1380-1415
     
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    The AW17 R5 is VERY THIN for housing a 180W GPU and a 45W CPU (which some people push much higher). If we take this into account I am sure we can then admire its performance.

    Really, just look at it from the side, it is amazing. I presume, no I am sure, that if we were allowed a (custom) heatsink and fans assembly, say only 1 cm thicker, this machine would fly!

    My laptop sits on a slick U3 base, way off the desk, and when you look at it sideways it is incredible how thin it really is. f8ck it I will take a photo to show you:

    IMG_20180709_224519_s.jpg



    Now, after you see this, I think the top of the top tech specs do not matter so much! OK, of course they do, but I hope you get my point.

    And: looking at this photo look how much empty space there is under the laptop, imagine the laptop 1 cm thicker, you would not even notice, but it would run very cool with beefier heatsinks and fans and more space inside. I was thinking if any one with appropriate tools and machinery could manufacture a "kit" - a thicker heartsink and fans replacement.
     
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    Yeah bro :) i know, that was my point... ****in thin and fast for what it is