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    Vote: Ideastorm: Alienware: High-gamut or IPS matte screens

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Prolixious, May 23, 2013.

  1. Prolixious

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    "It would be nice if Alienware offered higher-gamut or IPS matte screens. Many potential customers require the GPU power of an Alienware and use their laptops outside or for professional work. Alienware's competitors offer high-quality matte screens, and such screens are already available for Dell's XPS and Precision models. Good anti-glare screens would remove the need for customers to create costly, risky modifications to replace the glossy LCD or remove the plexiglass above. Even if Alienware offered matte screens as optional upgrades to the glossy panels now available, the option would provide much additional value for Alienware laptops."

    I know that others have asked for matte screens on IdeaStorm, but they have not had the support of this community. I do hope that Alienware considers adding these screens to its upcoming generations of laptops.

    Vote here: Idea Storm

    Note: I use the word "or" in the logical sense, which does not preclude "higher-gamut" and "IPS.
     
  2. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    Promoted. :)
     
  3. bigtonyman

    bigtonyman Desktop Powa!!!

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    Promoted and commented. :)
     
  4. LHappydude

    LHappydude Notebook Consultant

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    Eh, as much as I like the idea, more then likely they'll overcharge the heck out of it. Hooking up a external monitor is a way to go.
     
  5. Hybrys

    Hybrys That Damn Cactuar!

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    Think of it this way. On the Precision, it's only $275 to upgrade to the IPS panel. I would pay that in a split second.

    Promoted.
     
  6. Prolixious

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    Some have objected that selling matte screens in Alienwares will conflict with sales of enterprise laptops. It's all Dell: does it matter which division sells well?

    In all seriousness, those who want top quality and performance in a plain-looking chassis will opt for Precisions whether or not Alienwares sell with IPS screens. If Alienware offers high-end TN matte screens instead of IPS, those who want the best screens will still have to buy the Precisions.
     
  7. J.Dre

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    It actually does matter. Alienware is a subsidiary company.

    @Topic: I'm not sure if I want to support this idea. I myself prefer external monitors as opposed to spending an additional $250 - $400 on the laptop monitor.
     
  8. Prolixious

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    @J.Dre: I was being facetious. Of course the division matters: that's why I wrote the next sentences.

    No one would have to pay extra if it were an optional upgrade, and I think (hope) that Alienware would realize that few people will pay $250 over the 1080p glossy screen for a TN matte screen.
     
  9. vs3074

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    Promoted :)
     
  10. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    Yes, it does matter.

    I do not use an external monitor. I am super happy with the native 1080p display panel and would not be willing to spend anything extra for an IPS, high-gamut or a matte finish display. I'd like to keep my edge-to-edge glass display that has no bezel. However, I know some of our Alien Brothers here feel differently and I promoted the idea for their benefit. I support options, so I'd like to see these options for those willing to pay extra for them. (As long as the cost of those extra display options is tacked on to the option and not spread out over all display options. I don't support socialism, so I am not willing to pay extra for the benefit of someone else so they can pay less or get it at no additional cost.)

    So, either way, want it for yourself or not, please promote the idea. While you're at the IdeaStorm web site, please promote the one linked below as well.

     
  11. Rotary Heart

    Rotary Heart Notebook Evangelist

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    I totally agree with you. I personal don't like the mate finish, it makes it look like a low 90's computer, but to include it as an option is cool. BUT only as an option, not to remove the current one. :) Will support the idea right now.
     
  12. Prolixious

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    The Alienware screens are by no means bad. You can add "for the sticker price Dell charges" in front of almost every criticism I have about Alienware. Also, the highest-quality matte TN and IPS screens are quite vibrant.

    Thank you for the vote.

    Only six people have asked for matte screens in these laptops? I had the impression that the number was a lot higher.
     
  13. Hybrys

    Hybrys That Damn Cactuar!

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    Matte solely? Hell no. High gamut or IPS, yes.
     
  14. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist®

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    Yeah, one would think so. But, don't get your hopes up too much. We have 20 votes out of more than 1250 views for fan control, so the participation rate of viewers is extremely disappointing. Those that do absolutely nothing will probably be among those that screech and whine the most about not having any fan controls, matte, high-gamut and/or IPS displays.
     
  15. Serephucus

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    Voted and promoted, for what good it'll do.
     
  16. dab89

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    alienware might prepare separate financial statements, but they would get consolidated...so how would it make a difference? surely if anything, dell would be able to make better margin on alienware IPS screens because of the additional alienware tax? i mean, it might matter to division heads, but i doubt the shareholders care too much where the $$$ is coming from.
     
  17. J.Dre

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    You can PM me for a response if you want one. I'd prefer to keep this thread on topic, for a change. :rolleyes:

    Hmm, great point. I suppose if I wanted something promoted, even though someone didn't exactly want it for themselves, I'd hope they would be able see it could be beneficial to others and would promote it. I'll promote this...

    Edit: Promoted and commented.
     
  18. vs3074

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    I don't think aw can even give us proper matte display, in the end display is covered with plastic that is glossy itself and cannot be made matte.

    Where it matters is, the option to have IPS panels with 95% gamut.

    Yes it might undercut few sales from precision line but precision line is for big businesses where sales are dependent on sales reps and what sales reps offer to businesses, dell sales reps will not even offer aw/Inspiron to business users, only Vostro/latitude/precision for those customers. So, not going to undercut sales much.
     
  19. Prolixious

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    Non-reflective glass is a thing... Well, even this edge-to-edge plastic is better than most bezels.

    Again, even if Alienware offers IPS screens, those who want top quality and performance (usually in a professional-looking chassis) will buy Precisions. I can't think of a reason not to offer at least 95% gamut TN panels. I would prefer matte, but I'll stomach a high-grade glossy panel.
     
  20. Mr. Fox

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    Gloss or not, edge-to-edge display is awesome. Bezels suck... they are an ugly dust and crap collection device that all common laptops have.
     
  21. steviejones133

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    Commented & promoted. :D
     
  22. baii

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    Precision/elitebook 17.3 LG IPS has some inherent quality issues . It is not unheard of people do multiple exchanges of either machine or screen. Consider the amount of enthusiast here, it just like asking for trouble if they just drop in the LG screen.

    14/18 IPS seems non-existing, 17" only the LG 1. Maybe if they introduce m13x or bring back m15x, it would seem more realistic. Or, if dell can make/hype alienware sell as many as rmbp with the additional premium, then anything is possible.
     
  23. Prolixious

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    Dell has placed the idea "under review." Keep the votes rolling in and we might have a surprise in a year or three.
     
  24. Prolixious

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    Bring this up.
     
  25. Rayleyne

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    See i hate matte screens, If we could get glossy IPS 1080p panels i'd be all for it.

    That being said an 1880p Retina IPS display would be godly, And we have the processing power to utilize it, Especialy the m18x users.
     
  26. Serephucus

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    It's things like this that make me hate Apple.
     
  27. Prolixious

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    A quality 1880p panel might cost as much as all of the other components in the laptop, and it will not have much impact on clarity at 18-inches. It will have much impact, however, on frame rates and battery life. Good external monitors would be technically superior in every way, and they would cost less, with the only tradeoff being a marginal loss in "portability."
     
  28. Grajjie

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    Signed up and promoted. :thumbsup:
     
  29. NickTheMajin

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    You hate Apple because they implement things no other laptop manufacturer is implementing? Apple certainly isn't for everyone but you can't knock them for doing what no one else is doing.
     
  30. Mr. Fox

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    bumping up... I'm shocked by the lack of participation and engagement from the members of this community. Anyone reading this thread that doesn't support this and promote the suggestion at IdealStorm has no basis to complain about not having better display options
     
  31. steviejones133

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    Exactly. So many people have or had expressed a strong preference towards this, yet so little participation. Folks, you only get out what you put in......start voting.. or else! LOL
     
  32. Quadzilla

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    High resolution IPS displays is where Dell should be headed for the future IMHO.

    Every company is moving towards super high resolution from tablets to ultrabooks with 2560x1440 displays so i think it is beyond due time for Alienware to step up their game to remain relevant and unique.

    Of course having choice like 1080p for those who still want it would be a good as well because some prefer higher FPS over the higher resolutions.

    The fact the M17 did not even get IPS was a disgrace honestly because those IPS panels have been in the M6600/M6700 for a couple years now so i dont really get why that did not happen.

    Bottom line we need more choices....
     
  33. Prolixious

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    Well, those LG IPS panels have had quality issues, so avoiding them might be good.

    MSI will release a model with a 2880x1620 panel in a month. While I don't care about such high resolutions on laptop screens, and I don't expect the MSI screen to be particularly good, a good chance exists that it will trample over the 72% gamut panels used in these laptops. Say what you will about MSI, but it knows how to lure people in with "features" and make Alienware's laptops seem overpriced in comparison...
     
  34. Mr. Fox

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    People (and fish) being lured by shiny objects isn't new though. To be effective as bait, it doesn't necessarily need to function well as long as it sparkles and sounds good in an advertisement.
     
  35. Mr. Fox

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    bumping for more votes
     
  36. Prolixious

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    I thought that Dell had refused to offer better screens because of ignorance. Despite all of the complaints about the "most expensive mirrors in the world," less than twenty people have promoted this idea. Now I understand Dell's position.

    At least Dell had enough foresight to offer decent screens with less glare this year.
     
  37. steviejones133

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    ......which is a possible sign that they did listen to all the hoopla that people were making about this for many months in various threads etc. Strange how so many people have voted this idea up, though - kinda sad at the same time, too.

    If people want change, they have to vote for it, not just sit there like lemons LOL
     
  38. Rotary Heart

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    Well as long as they keep offering the other screen I'm good with it. One thing that I really love is that screen :).