Warning for Windows 10 10162 Users.

The latest MS windows 10, acted very bad for me, after its installation and a few reboots for installing hardware etc..

The display driver started giving me that error when it stops responding, if you have nVidia cards you know what I am talking about.

Anyways. I was monitoring my temps, and it turned out, my fans were not even moving, I gave it a few minutes, but nothing changed.
My temps kept on rising too. Started around 40 and I watched it rise all the way to 90 Degree's Celsius, then it crashed.

Restarted, with option to start normally, things seem relatively okay now too. except in some games, I get 4-5 FPS where I should be getting 60-100

I am afraid whatever made the laptop stop cooling itself, might come back. I just thought to warn anyone, incase they develop the same symptom. What I experiences, could very likely cause some serious malfunction, if for instance, it fails to crash after 90C+


So be warned.

 

And, my ASIC reading is now different again, in GPU-Z. Seems with every update its getting lower, whatever that means.

 

So, if you drop back to Windows 7 or 8.1 do things normalize again, or does the damage seem to be a permanent?

 

It seems like every new build of Windows 10 is worse than the one before it. I can't wait to see what the RTM build looks like.

 

don't expect miracles, the RTM would be just another Beta...... when did things ever improve with these weekly builds? NEVER! they are all pure garbage! This OS cannot even be deemed in BETA Stage as it stands, let alone RTM!

 

The release of Windows 8 slowly started to kill my love of all things computing. That's scary for me because I work in IT for a living. Windows 10 isn't making things any better for me. Couple that with the way the market is trending with respect to the BGA stuff, Alienware now being a shadow of its former self, etc.. I feel like the reasons I fell in love with all things computing and IT in general are basically dying, and it sucks.

 

Here, here, Brother Keith. Right on... I am with you on all that. This is not a good time for enthusiasts, and there's not much to be happy about on the horizon. Pretty sad state we find ourselves in at this point.

 

Today I was at Virgin Electronics, it's a music CD store but they have a lot of consoles and they used to stock PCs that you cannot find in the local computer shops like high end ASUS desktops and they are one of the very few and rare Alienware providers. I went to see what they had and I laughed, old Alienware 14s and 17s with 4700HQ CPUs almost 1.5 years old...... it made me smile and feel like yes, definitely, Dellienware is a dead brand. R.I.P.

You know Mr. Fox the reason why me being a laptop user for more than 14 years I went a head and shelled out $7000 USD on the system you see in my sig for the pure reasons that there are 0 laptops that interest me now performance wise, neither will SkyFlake change a thing as I see it now nor do I have any faith that they will be bringing anything similar to what Alienware used to give us.

Origin PC Desktops FTW

 

No, you end up not being the owner of any files. Its stupid. I have to edit every program to run as administartor or it silply won't work. Even games will not save autosaves. because it does not have permission to use your own "My Documents" folder. Even re-installing did not fix this.
You have to edit the permissions , and actually SHARE your my documents folder, with yourself. As a network administrator, I've never seen such a weak and pathetic OS. OS 10, if not designed to literally kill your PC, it certainly designed to not be protected. Its very bad news. Anyone running a business should not run it with windows 10. I am pretty sure this will be this way for at least a year. Stay with Windows 7, its the only secure windows at the moment. Which sucks as it prevents hardware from functioning properly.

Maybe Microsoft is trying to force us to use Ubuntu or something.

 

i have switched many times between 10 and 8.1 and my ASIC quality does not change once i return to 8.1. it might be due to how windows is interfering with the reading?

 

The sad thing is once upon a time I absolutely had to know how Windows worked from top to bottom. From Windows 98 all the way through Windows 7. Every setting, every tweak. Not because of my job, but because of my insatiable curiosity of wanting to know how everything worked, and what I could make it do. Knowing all of this for work related stuff was just a bonus. Now I just don't care. I have no overwhelming desire to dive into Windows 10 to see how it works and what makes it tick. I may somewhere down the line, but not right now. Not today.

I've heard people complain with every Windows release that the new version isn't as good as the previous. Windows 7 probably being the lone exception. I always ignored the naysayers and went into a new version of Windows with a open mind, and I was always better off for it.

Windows 8 changed all of that. I couldn't overcome what Micro$oft did to the OS. It completely shattered how I looked at Windows. Fortunately for me though, third party programs allowed me to restore the features to Windows 8 that Micro$oft should have never removed in the first place.

Now with what Windows 10 is shaping up to be, it makes me sick. The OS is so far gone from what it used to be that I almost don't recognize it anymore. Why does it need to be this way? I have never heard one valid argument stating why it has to be the way it is now. Not one. It's disgusting.

There is one reason and only one reason only why Windows is currently in the form that it is in, and it can be traced back to one single event in 2010. The release of the iPad. If the iPad would never have come to fruition, I would be willing to bet that the computing world (Notebooks/Desktops) would not be in the sorry state that it is now.

Windows is what made me fall in love with computers. Ironically, Windows may now make me fall out of love with computers.

 

i find that it auto defaults to the skydrive as your "my docs" folder - saw this when i tried to run GTAV on an earlier win 10 build as it would not detect my save game even though i had dumped it on the c drive. i had to unlink the skydrive connection to even default it to the my docs folder on C: drive.

As much as you guys believe that 8.1 isn't that great (and that's fair) it works for me and i think i'll be sticking with it till i am need to buy a new pc.

 

Wow, this is like someone is reading my mail. Our experiences and views on these things are nearly identical. I've been cloned, LOL. +5 Rep

 

Or you're gonna have to take ownership and set the owner of all your folders to EVERYONE rather than to your specific username

 

Actually, I do that anyway. Windows 8.X.X has had totally messed folder and file permissions since day one. It screws up local and network file access really bad. That Windows 10 messes it up even more should come as no surprise to anyone. We owe such a huge debt to Daddy Micro$lop for going to such great lengths to keep us all safe. Who cares if the OS is totally broken... at least it's safe and secure, and the boogie man can't steal our identities and sell the data to Al-Qaeda... or the US Government... right? *tongue in cheek*

I mean, good night, even my dual boot machines with Windows 7 are all safer just because of Windows 8.X.X being resident on the cute little SSD next door. My files are not really my files unless I smack Windows 8.X.X around like a rag doll and steal them back again about once a week.

 

Yeah, thats exactly my concern. Now, I have noticed, something re-installed will work fine, but anything kept from being upgraded was a disaster.(which was like 95% of everything..)

I actually Like windows 10, except how this stupid search bar works, every time you go to type in it, if anything is going to do anything it just cancels it, so it takes 2-3-4 attempts to type something into the search to find it.
There are some annoying bugs, basically. But overall , if they can fix the small things that all add up, I would love windows 10, honestly. nVidia seems to have issues with their drivers on windows 10, but I'm sure that will go away.
If I could disable these new functions that I do not want, and find intrusive, it would be great. Like this Cortana ********. I hate it, I tried using it, it sucks, it basically forces you to give MS all your information, which also if you read into it, allows them to share it, for the purpose of statistics and crap.
This is why they can give windows 10 for free. If they charged you, they would not be allowed to steal this information and sell it. Or use it against you so easily. They're reason for giving it away for a limited amount of time, is only to get everyone to blindly switch asap.
You will be once again , forced to use Bing and crap like that. Screw Cortana, why not just work with google, and make the Google voice thingy work better.

Imagine the future, when you speak something, the computer misinterprets what your saying, and gives other people access..

 

Hey @woodzstack ... Cortana is NEVER wrong. After all, her daddy is Billy Bob Gates.

 

Free upgrade to 10? They'd have to pay me to use this garbage mobile OS

 

Nokia gaming PC FTW!

 

The worst part is, anything anyone says , is just completely ignored. Well let me rephrase that, nothing we say is ignored, especially when enough people say it, instead, large corps like MS and nVidia and Intel, cash in on the idea's and concept. They know, if we are having a emotional response to something, then what they are doing is working. That could only be the reason why things progressively get worse and worse. They are in fact trying to get away with exactly what we all fear. Which is charging a large premium for mediocre performance. The way to monopolize seems to have changed. They already, and have for the longest time, dominated the PC market share, so, what should we expect but exactly what we fear, being controlled ?!

We knew, for 20 years now, that the PC and windows was a bad mix, yet we gave them our money, because no alternative could compete. Now, there will almost certainly never be competition. Not without some massive discovery, somewhere by someone who can protect the innovation or grow large enough to compete. Surely Apple is in on this deal too, since they sleep with Intel (Power PC right). Anyways, we're screwed. Stupid **** is going to follow. They gave us the start menu back, but it doesn't work. The main reasons we want it, they have limitted to Cortana being the answer. See the pattern. We screamed at them for it in Windows 8. This only verified to MS how important it was, how much traffic goes to the start menu. So, they found a way to force us to use something else, that exploits our information, in a way, that no laws exist yet to protect us from. You do a voice search for something, it doesn;t understand, so it sends the queery to MS. Meanwhile, the technology to understand is very easy for today's word, but why do that, when its a quadrillion dollar market to know what everyone is doing/thinking at any given time. They already made us FORCED to be signed into our MS accounts. There are options to make you think you are not sending MS information for almost everything, EXCEPT Cortana. Laws do not exist yet to protect us from this sort of intrusion. But the Governments that we're slaves too, like the idea of it, so they will never stop it either. That loop hole, combined with everyone being forced to share their documents right now, just to have access to them, means Cortana, which is AN ADMIN on your PC if it has windows 10, has access.

The ******** is so deep, its not even funny. they make movies based on this sort of crap, and yet everyone goes about everyday, totally ignorant, and no one is able to do anything. Funny, people are willing to stand infront of a tank and die to make a stand for freedom and rights, yet, no one is capable of understanding how bad we have it now, and how hard it will ever be, to stop it. There honestly exists the potential, for World War 3, because of Windows 10, IMO. the way it shares information, what if that server is over sea's, then technically, when its passing international space/air/waters, it can legally be intercepted. Its not bank accounts and crap that matters, it whats on the human mind. how to make them as a whole community either starve themselves or over consume every resource in a given area, while the rest of the world puts them on a trade embargo. Being able to make us uncomfortable by exploiting our fears or simply making money from them, is a great idea. Its the same reasoning as how "war is good for business" or "Peace is good for business". Its all supply and demand. Do not get me wrong, it is ideal to be in a world where our needs are serve automatically because of such advanced tools, but lets face it, when was the last time the governments did anything good with the free information they took from us ?

We are consumers. They will use it to make us consume and become ever so dependant on them. At one point the obesity epidemic will create such cries and havok the next thing will come along. people will know not to buy into that solicited crap magic pills that fix everything, a new one comes out every 6 months thats promoted by every guy with a Doctorate in marketting or Entertainment, like Dr.Phil (who has been in show biz since his teens.) or Dr Oz, which try to buy out the university that gave them their degree honorarily for mentioning them in their earlier career. This windows ****, is no different. They will lie to us, to get us to spend money. But with the way its designed, they will know how to lie to us, so we never find out its not working. they will guide our expectations, because we have been telling them exactly what we expect. We created this monster.

 

One of the most things I hate about Windows 8 is that I cannot use my MS Office 2013's OneDrive unless I convert my local account to a Micro$h4ft account which I don't want! I want a local account and none of the online bullcrap! With 7, it's obviously always a local account yet I can still sign on to OneDrive. 10 is gonna be no different than 8!

Why do you think it was released so fast? very easy, take the crappy Win 8, let the future Win 9 eat Win 8, then give the masses Win 10, same OS with a little bit of a more fancy start menu but wait, let's be in control this time, we're the admin. We`ll choose their system drivers and install them all automatically in one shot! no need to reboot even! install all Win updates + security updates + VGA drivers + Audio + card reader in one shot! let's screw up their system! MUWHAHAHA

 

Yeah, that's a big problem. They are installing the drivers for us. At least, if all our hardware requires modified drivers, windows doesn't have it.
See if windows, randomly was able to install our 980M in our old Alienware laptops, which is pretty simple really, I would have been impressed.

 

"I've been cloned". That gave me a chuckle.

 

One thing different about windows 10 is applications do not "PAUSE" when you alt-tab them or switch. They just keep running as if they were maximized. At least the ones I use. Very different single player experience in videogames.

 

And, all of the children rejoiced. The Kool-Aid never tasted sweeter. (Never mind the fact that the sweetness is actually anti-freeze and it will kill you.) It's all about command and control wrapped in pretty foil. Remember Hitler... guns went first, personal freedom followed, then came the incinerators. Same thing happening here in the digital realm. Little by little... they own you. They view themselves as god, and expect to be worshiped because of their "love" for us our money. Good luck with crApple... they set the bar and now Micro$haft is going to show us all how to pole vault over mouse droppings.

" Oh, but Mr. Fox! DX12, OMG, DX12... and it's free."

How much is your soul worth? Is it really free?

 

SHHH Fox, your going to make MS Liscence DX13 as a PAY-TO-WIN service !

 

shame you can't get a 980m to run in dedicated mode in windows 7 otherwise i probably would have gone to that instead.

 

Yeah, seriously. Why can't we just have the OS we want, why do they force feed us this crap ! This Cortana crap is pissing me off. It listens to everything going on in the house too. I had to disable every microphone, and uninstall them if not out right unplug them.

 

George Orwell was off by a few years, but "Nineteen Eighty-Four" is here and now. And, I'm not kidding. It's obvious to anyone paying a smidgen of attention that we live in troubled, even outright dangerous, times. Right is wrong; wrong is right; we can't tell the difference... goodness and excellence no longer exists except on an exception basis. Those that strive for, or already exude excellence, are a minority often viewed as mean, greedy, elitist and racist because it highlights the incompetence and worthlessness of those that do not. It would be specious to even attempt to pretend it's a good day for technology. Technology used to make life better and more fun. Now everything is engineered to grab us by our family jewels really hard, never let go of them, and make us all slaves to someone, or some thing.

 

My sentiment exactly. We've become very dependent.

 

OK it was going well but then you completely lost me at World War 3.

Still an interesting read though.

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HAHA we're just emotionally divulging how the smallest little new features of Windows 10 makes us sick. the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ guy looks like that toon from
Love it !

 

not getting it torun is making me sick.

since i have sold the stock 780m i can't test it to see if it's a software issue (driver or OS) or a hardware issue (either it's faulty hardware or just something in the BIOS/UEFI causing a compatibility issue).

and since i know 8.1 works i feel like there's something in the OS that is causing the break...so it might be an issue with win 10 and the UEFI.

 

Brother @thegh0sts - Why not just give up on M$ OS X for now and just use an OS that works right so you can enjoy your nice hardware. If and when Windoze OS X ever gets fixed and is worth having you can install it later on. But, don't let Micro$haft's incompetence get you all locked up so you don't have fun with the hardware. Same concept as me having to use 6 month old drivers for 780M SLI to work right. I'm doing that and 780M SLI is no less awesome than it was before NVIDIA added cancer to their GeFarts drivers.

 

Yeah, I am sticking with 8.1 because it is the only OS that will allow dedicated mode for the nvidia GPU on this hardware.

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I agree that Cortana on Windows 10 amounts to Spyware, in my opinion. I always disable the microphones and webcams in my computers, too. I use a USB headset or a USB mic ( Note:1). When I need a webcam, I use the expensive Logitech one ( Note:2). That way I can UNPLUG THEM when I am not using them.

I have been running Windows 10 on a spare SSD since February of this year. I don't see any compelling features except maybe newer DirectX support either. At least with Windows 8 we got Hyper-V added.

And oddly enough I actually prefer Windows 8 and Windows 8.1's start screen over (what passes for) the Start Menu in Windows 10.

Back to the spyware issue, the community VOCALLY complained when Canonical (Ubuntu) tried force something similar on its community as Microsoft is with Windows 10. I really don't like corporations twisting technology and the internet in this manner. To me, this is not acceptable.


Note:1: I use Blue Microphones Snowflake USB Microphone. It works great for hosting webinars or group talks (when you don't want to wear a headset). It was like $40 online.
Note:2: Logitech Conference Cam BCC950. Also has built-in speakers and a remote control (pan/zoom, volume control)

 

Ghost, you have no luck at all ? I think you need J95's help, he has the same setup as you, but with the 120Hz monitor - which in this situation - should make little difference using Full UEFI mode for windows 10.

 

No, optimus is a complete bust. I don't know if there's some setting in my UEFI that needs to be enabled/disabled in order for it to work or if it's just the drivers being stupidly crap!

 

anyone tried 10240?

 

Wait, what? Theres a 10240, LAWL..Im still on 10166 I believe.
Some games, the 3D does not kick in, like eveonline... no matter what I do. But otherwise, dozens of other games, I have gotten to work fine. Its weird.
I wonder if its a DirectX 9C thing or something.

there are a few games that I get issues with too, but those games are particularily known to be buggy, like "Beyond Earth" and "Galactic Civ III" , StarCitizen works great, looks great. The witcher 3, doing awesome.

 

i am hoping that a 120h panel will force it to use the dedicated mode and therefore not allow windows 10 to drop the 980m from the device manager.

 

anyone tried with any luck?

 

This is just an issue with NVidia's drivers and Intel drivers in Win 10 not playing nice yet. There are beta Intel drivers that fix this.

Also, Intel MEI and ME is broken in our machines with Windows 10 unless you update your ME firmware to 9.1.30.1008.. We are consumer chipset so the 1.5MB flash is what we use.

 

I did a ful is reset and it still didn't show.

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Can you please explain why that would that make any difference one way or the other on an enthusiast machine that does not need to be remotely managed? I've never found any usefulness or value in the Intel ME. My systems all seem to work the same with or without ME drivers installed and wouldn't even bother installing the drivers except for the fact that the bangs in Device Manager are annoying to an OCD type like myself. The last thing in the world I would want is to have Windoze cancer influencing my hardware in half-heinied effort to make the beast "efficient" LOL. I want the OS to be a slave rag doll that is totally dominated by my hardware, not vice versa. Wouldn't it be better to run the older firmware and drivers to help cripple Windows 10's ability to manipulate our hardware? I mean, if ain't going to make it overclock better, run faster and return higher benchmark scores, what's the point in it?

I'm not trying to be argumentative here, honestly trying to understand why this is even a little bit relevant. I'm hoping you can enlighten us and then maybe provide some guidance (links or something) where we can all go and get this magical ME firmware update, how to apply it, etc. if it actually is relevant. If updating to newer ME firmware will make my beasts run faster, overclock higher, etc., then I want to do that ASAP.

 

what does Intel ME do and do i need it? if i don't need it then i'll say bye bye to it.

 

I think it ties us all to Skynet and makes it easier for the Federali Nazis to track us.

Only two more days until Genisys comes online. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves.

 

Your thinking Intel AMT that's included in the Management Engine package. With our machines being ME 9.1.x.xxxx, it does nothing for most users.. But it does communicate with DPTF now.. Not sure how much though.. In an NDA document, it mentions thermal control and other things so it looks like its becoming a backbone for newer chipsets and control by OS to BIOS. I was just putting it out there if you needed it, unless updated, it won't initialize and communicate with the OS unless we've updated. If you want to install it anyways, the flash update is at http://www.station-drivers.com/inde...-(MEI)/Firmwares/Serie-9.x/Serie-9.0.x-9.1.x/

 

Thanks for the additional information. I think I would like to have a better understanding of the effect updating might have on my systems first. There is a fair amount of mystery and secrecy to this and not a lot of meaningful information that I can find on it.

To the greatest extent possible, I would like to shut out the OS from having the ability exercise any level of influence over the behavior of my hardware. I would prefer that the OS blindly carry out all of my orders regardless of the environment or conditions that my hardware is operating in.

For example, I want Windows to remain completely oblivious to my CPU and GPU thermals. I want Windows to have no idea how much power my system is drawing from the wall, and to remain utterly powerless to influence hardware behavior based on either of those conditions. I think that kind of OS awareness will lead to an outcome that I am extremely unhappy with.

I don't know if upgrading MEI firmware would be helpful or harmful at this point. I am suspicious of an agenda by Micro$haft and Intel (and the OEMs) that is at enmity with mine.