When are the new Alienwares with Maxwell coming?

And, I quote from Eurocom.

This is just 1st set of benchmarks without any O/C - we will work now on tuning up performance, also we will use DDR3 2133 for maximum overall performance. We will also test our X8 Haswell platform with SLI GTX 980M and compare results.

 

I guess the guys at Alienware HQ might be shutting down the AW18 because of the BGA processors from Intel's monopolistic crap Broadwell & Skylake's Mobile lineup making them minimize the loss for the high-perfomance 18" with a soldered crap that no enthusiast would buy & they would miserably fail competing with the Eurocom Panther 5 class system, forcing them to make a soldered noob AW17 system with an SLI. Annhilating this upgradable & high-end scene from the notebook segment.

Plus the 900M series dropping support for 120Hz is very unfortunate, I expect if that thing boots up it would be a better aftermarket upgrade for the AW17 mediocre 60Hz matte panel and an update from Nvdia in a positive way would be really sweet...

And guys what do you think about this deal, instead of the Low-end power limited less featured AW18 R1 & new BGA filth from these AW R2's with BGA Broadwell crap, Is it a good choice ??
HIDevolution Alienware M18x R2 NVIDIA Dual 2GB GTX 680M SLI Starter

 

It truly does .

'Enthuiasts', that's the problem there. The sales data will show that there is a large population of gamers that understand PC gaming is superior but don't want the hassle - hence the steam box.

The new direction is to appeal to a mass market that wants something that looks different from the crowd. I would not be surprised if they only offer one laptop further down the road and leave the competition to garner the enthusiasts .

Downsize and focus, typical of new ownership evaluations based on profit alone...

 

Wasn't there a problem with the 880M not supporting 120Hz when it came out as well? Then Alienware or NVIDIA did something and it started working?

I don't see 120Hz being removed from the future of gaming. That's a step in the wrong direction.

 

Yup, I saw that as well, which is why I was hoping for a 120hz 980m eventually.
Looks like NV have screwed AW somehow when dropping 3DVision support. I would not be surprised if it IS as bios issue. The vbios would have been dells first job when they got them months ago...

Edit: We also know there is some sort of 3D certification in the bios. Could even be that 'unsupported' as a response kills the boot?

 

Maybe they're changing "3DVision" to something else? Maybe renaming or restructuring it with DSR and plan to launch that later? Sort of like an upgraded 3DVision... I'm not sure. It just doesn't seem right to toss out 3D and 120Hz, lol. That's such an awesome feature for gaming, even with desktops.

 

If I should guess, its HID taking preorders for AW18 with GTX 980M and hoping they or other can come up with a vbios that works or that Alienware add support for the GPU with a new system BIOS, in time before they ship the notebooks to customers.

3K for those specs?
Horrible price, absolutely horrible

 

We can but hope, it might even ba a licensing issue to make sure they (NV) get their slice of the pie with the 3D kit? They do charge if you want TV side-by-side output but have not bought the emitter.

It has a very strong following, a lot like me that were surprised at how good it works. They finally come out with m chips powerful enough to cope with full, realtime, double frames and then drop it.

Maybe dell did not want to pay whatever NV wanted so they gimped the card? Hope it's not the future death knell . We will never know the true story and just have to wait out what they (Dell and NV) are playing at.

Meanwhile we have to assume the worst in the absence of any official statement .

 

The P570WM/3 is available with 120Hz 3D and 980M SLI on Eurocom's web site.

 

If it wasnt for Clevo being known to build noise machines, that would be high on my list :/

 

I doubt it, not if HIDevolution is a reputable company, it's not good business practice to take customers money and not deliver what they promised - do they have a precedent of doing that? (I don't know anything about HIDevolution).

 

Not any difference from resellers on Ebay marketing GTX 980M for Alienware notebooks.
As long as HID doesnt ship out non working notebooks they arent doing anything wrong although very misleading. Unless the support for 980M in AW18 will never come. Then they will have some work to do regarding angry customers and refunds.

 

They've admitted that the 3D screen and glasses is an error, and will be removing it today.

900 series doesn't support 3D.

Mr.Fox, read post 501.

 

I don't really care about 3D, but 120Hz screen support would be nice.

So, does this mean connecting 980M to a 120Hz or 144Hz desktop monitor is also not supported, or merely not supported over LVDS?

 

How is that possible when NV themselves have stated the 9xxm's do not support it?

Weird. I could only find the 780m Sli listed : http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(1,247,0)ec

Same with this one: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(1,233,0)ec

Epic search fail on my part...

EDIT: Missed the earlier explanation .

 

I'm still curious about the external display support. I'm assuming it's only lack of support on LVDS. I certainly hope that's the case. Not being able to use a 120Hz or 144Hz monitor over DP would really suck.

 

Some asian dude got the GTX 980M to work with AW17
Going to test clevo 980m in alienware m17x R4, m18x R2, AW17 - Page 6

 

It will be like the 17 120hz where the bios mismatches to the vbios. It's unlikely to be a clevo original option as far as I can tell.

 

Seeing that the intel is also active I have to wonder if Intel added 120hz boot code to the Haswell?

It gets murkier by the minute .

 

3D does nothing for me I just love the fluidity of 120/144hz..

 

Agreed. 3D is not as important, IMO. There are barely any good games that support 3D, anyway. 120Hz is a must-have for gaming.

I hope they do not throw out 120Hz just because 3D won't work, lol.

 

Some of you might care about this, so I will quote it here. Maybe it has a connection with some of the nonsense we see taking place.

 

I believe it does support 120Hhz. See attachment.

I'll ask em' too.

 

Guys, I'd like to get your thoughts on this rig, please.

 

That's why I brought it up. I loaded that 120Hz display in my shopping cart and it did not warn me about a compatibility problem with 980M SLI. (No, I did not complete the checkout process. I don't have a spare $5K right now.)

 

Hey, Pench. This is an Alienware forum, bro.

 

I know this is a notebook forum, and I've owned M18x's in the past that have been high end at that time, but there is no way on earth you would find me dropping £7,000 GBP (or over $11,000 USD) on a notebook - especially when you could get a desktop that would blow it out the water for a LOT less. I know that some will say "yeah, but you can't take your desktop on the road blah blah blah" but you CAN get a decent 18 inch machine AND a pretty killer desktop for that kind of money.

Saying that, if you have to have one machine and it HAS to be a portable solution, and assuming you have no reservations financially about spending £7k on a laptop, then by all means, it is a killer machine.......but you don't need us to tell you that at that kind of price point, right?

 

I quote.

External 120Hz or 144Hz desktop monitors are supported via HDMI, DVI or DP ports.

 

Sorry, I'll stop now.

 

Screw Alienware. MSI is soon out with 18" gaming SLI monster called GT80 Titan.



http://forum.notebookreview.com/msi/763082-omg-msi-coming-gtx-980m-sli-notebook-14.html#post9817564

 

Well, if it has a socketed Extreme CPU and MXM modules, we may have a real winner on our hands. If not, then it's just another worthless BGA Ultraturd.

 

Mr Fox, what happens if there is a BGA extreme processor and MXM GPU's? Will you be happy?

 

He needs a larger PSU, too. I believe he said before that he would like to see a 1000W PSU.

 

Oh hail no... never. That is absolutely unacceptable and I won't budge an inch. I will just abandon laptops if that's all that is left. I am not paying a single red cent for anything made with BGA filth.

 

Most of us wouldn't be happy. Who wants to replace the whole motherboard if your GPU, CPU, or RAM decided to die? Great for the manufacturer, sucks major for us.

 

I completely agree. $5K USD is about where I draw the line for performance laptops, because like you said anything above that I could easily build a desktop with much more performance. Just compare the desktop and the Clevo in my sig -- the desktop has approximately 1.5x CPU power, and 2.2x GPU power, while costing about the same as the laptop.

For that kind of money, (£7,000), I would never in my right mind get a laptop, unless I absolutely 100% needed the mobility because my life depended on it or something.

 

You don't want the Fox to get angry, MSI.

Seriously though. They have to make sure they do not solder their damn GPUS/CPU. That works on PS3/PS4 or consoles. Give us flexibility to upgrade stuff.

 

LOL, I'm actually a very gentle fellow. I don't refrain from speaking my mind when I am upset. That keeps me sane, and I do it in a diplomatic way. Like they say, "I don't get mad; I get even." The best way to do that is publicly withdraw support and highlight the flaws so that others see them, too. Having a good command of the English language and calling attention to the obvious can be far more effective in coercing what you expect from others than using vulgar words or acts of physical aggression. Also, withdrawing financial support and encourage others to follow suit can be useful.

 

I hate to say this but soldered components is the way it's headed. Some will drop out of the picture here and slink away to their desktops to never be heard of again (never mind the same thing is headed that way too eventually), but the majority will continue on despite the annoyance of the CPU soldered onto the M/B. Honestly, it's a worse situation admittedly , but it's not the end of the world for laptop gaming. If bragging rights about midnight BIOS tweaks to post mad results on benchmarks is your life, it's time to move on from mobile though. OTOH, if gaming is truly your thing I think you will still be able to flip your lappy in a year and get the latest which is what half the people do here already.

 

And, with that we all smile and tip up another warm glass of wee-wee and say "it's alright" and "thank you for the BGA" and "pass the Vaseline" - just don't forget to say please.

Nonchalant acceptance is an excellent example of why they can get away with it. They will rise to whatever level of incompetence you hold them to. They have no fear of retribution from the sheeple.

 

Something got me thinking...
Sure, mobile CPUs seems to be heading towards BGA, but wouldn't there ever be the possibility by upgrading them through motherboard parts? As in, instead of purchasing the CPU, you buy part of the motherboard that has the CPU (and I guess GPU)? It sounds very unconventional, more expensive, and abnormal, but ti would still hold onto the upgradability of LGA/MXM, to an extent.
I'm no electrical engineer, but at least something like this should be feasible down the line, right?

 

That's what some did with the AW14 to get a better GPU. It's more expensive, and frivolous waste. Plus, you have to rely on them to provide something you want. There is no hardware customization or personalization at any level. You get what they let you have... period. They own you and the machine.

 

Good luck with getting them to change - don't get me wrong, I don't like it either but there simply isn't enough demand to keep from things heading that way because most people aren't enthusiasts with a desire to change components. Not sure that qualifies them as "sheeple", but if it helps take the sting out...

 

I'm not talking about the whole motherboard; just part of it.
More or less, motherboards themselves down the line become self-constructable like how desktops are today.

 

Some, perhaps many, fall into that category. Some that would never upgrade will be incensed with the fact that their options were eliminated and react purely out of principle. If we all accept it as something we have to live with, lock arms and sing Kumbaya, then they will certainly never get a clue. If there is enough of a ruckus and/or their cashflow spigot gets shut off, they will respond or suffer greatly for being obstinate. But, it does require consumer motivation. Lack of that is usually what ruins everything for everyone. Heaven forbid that it should ever happen out of consumer ignorance if there are a few enthusiasts around. If enough of us working together can influence thousands of customers to spend their money on something else, mission accomplished. The failure of Windows 8 is a nice example of what can happen when enough consumers gang up and give a manufacturer a good hard spanking for being stupid. Tell Micro$haft it didn't hurt. Now they are paying more attention and giving us back what we never wanted to give up.

That could work, but it's simply impractical. They are doing what they are doing because it is cheaper to produce, increases profits at the point of sale, increase profit by making replacement parts more expensive, and allows them to plan and control obsolescence. In every way it is sinister. Moving the connection of a CPU or GPU to a different location is the same principle as using sockets or slots, but less practical and they would lose more money than simply doing it the right way from the beginning. The other problem is, they don't have that. It's not available, right here, right now. Sockets and slots are.

 

I tell you this. If Dell decides to solder dem GPU/CPU for life, my next laptop will be a Clevo/Sager.

I love Alienware but it does not make sense for them to solder those GPU on the motherboard. Alienware's main asset is the ability to upgrade the GPU/CPU.

 

Don't worry, doesn't look like Alienware is interested at releasing anything new.

Their full commitment is with selling AMD bundles with the crappy M290X. After all you get 3 new games. Surely that must be much more worth than a 70-80% faster GTX 980M.
The Alienware reps around here that call themselves gamers must be very proud working for such a wonderful company that have milking...ahem...customers as priority.

 

AMD Games for GOLD to accomodate us. LMAO!!!!


I am not going to judge the AW reps here in this forum but I need my AW 18 upgrade to 980M.

If you are reading this, Dell, release the BIos for it.

 

What if you are very lucky with your BGA extreme processor that overclock extremely well, and you need to replace the motherboard due to big trouble? You risk and have a terrible bad extreme processor back with the new motherboard. :cry:

 

Hopefully, the small minority of people will be enough to change the masses of sheeple to not accept BGA junk then. That's always how it goes. Sounds a little too similar to political revolutions doesn't it. Historically it takes the 5% to wake up the Lemmings.

So enabling them and having a "the whole industry is heading towards BGA - good luck changing that" attitude simply says "as a human I am powerless to invoking change in the world".




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