When are the new Alienwares with Maxwell coming?

Do you really expect them to postpone the cards til April-June next year?? Thats when the high end Broadwell's arrive

 

More like March. But yes, I do. The 880M replaced the 780M around that time. I am almost certain the rest of Maxwell will launch on 20nm by then.

If you follow "business schedules," you can almost predict exactly when something will be released - give or take a month - if it's a public company.

 

I agree with this as well... if they preview at CES/PAX in January, then take orders a week or two into February then units arrive in March. I don't recall what year, but I know I saw them do a March release at least once when I was actually tracking it, I kind of think it might have been when the M11x-R2 in my sig was released...

 

You missed my point. I never underestimate the power of stupid people that are allowed to have an opinion or breed... no sir... they cause us all kinds of problems in every facet of life; technology, politics, religion and just about anything else you can think of. I think they enjoy calling themselves "progressive" thinkers. Once a serious case of stupid metastasizes we are all in trouble.

My point is, had they released GPU refreshes for the current Alienware 17 and 18, offering MXM-based 980M and 980M SLI, it would have been financially more detrimental to them because <del>nobody</del> fewer customers would want the newer models built on a foundation of disposable BGA filth with wimpy low-TDP turd CPUs and castrated GPUs. Even many of those that wouldn't normally consider an upgrade would think twice about buying something that they can't upgrade if they should later decide differently. You see, I give people more credit for being smart rather than being stupid when presented with options as long as they know about the options. I fear for the numb skulls that don't know or try to find out about their options. Only an imbecile would choose a disposable product that under-performs over one that is repairable, sustainable and performs better. What sucks is the lack of options and the only option being offered is a pile of crap.

Apart from that, I really don't give a rat's heiney about what the masses or Alienware think about anything. If they ignore us enthusiasts and stop making quality products that interest us, we will take our money elsewhere. Really simple concept here. I'm not changing just because I'm outnumbered and surrounded by retards. And, I'm as sure hell not pretending the naked emperor has a beautiful robe just because he has an Alienware tattoo on his butt. It's one thing to dumb down the product to keep up in the thin and light jokebook popularity contest. It's another to pretend you didn't compromise the integrity of the product and spin it off as something good. There is a fine line between exaggeration and lies.

Edit: Here is an example of what happens when retards are allowed to multiply. I challenge you to find one... JUST ONE... high end hardware configuration in this list of " The 10 Best Gaming Laptops - Dec 2014" because, as I said, once stupid metastasizes we are all in trouble. Lists like this are compiled from the collective opinions of ignoramuses and yes, unfortunately, they do outnumber us. And, they value the opinions of their fellow ignoramuses. After all, if somebody on Facebook said it was a good laptop, you can take that to the bank!

 

The reason why laptop manufacturers want to use hq processors are because of The integrated Iris Pro Graphics 5200 GPU which is significantly faster than the HD 4600. But what should a gaming laptop use this garbage to? Dell has started to follow the rest of the flock laptop manufacturers. I want a powerful graphics card and a very decent processor(Extreme) without The integrated Iris Pro Graphics. Imagine how much better cooling and overclocking possibilities the processor had without this garbage .. It does not matter about which laptop manufacturer you choose now. Why should I upgrade to a new Alienware 17 when I know that the new model delivers weaker processor performance? It's exactly the same problem if I have to choose other manufacturers like Asus and MSI. Will this become a reality, I have no other choice than to build me a decent pc itself. Why can not Dell continue and use mx / mq processors to the new Intel processor coming out next fall? Why such rush and offer this garbage?They could have upgraded their laptops with gtx980m like the other laptop manufacturers. Dell has already messed up and worse it becomes.

 

Yeah, the CPU with the Iris Pro 5200 iGPU is a real joke. And, it's made for a jokebook. So what if the iGPU is a little better... whoopy-doo. It's still less powerful than the good discrete GPUs from several years ago. And, the CPU part of the processor is still a low-TDP BGA turd that delivers mediocre performance.

I'm still not going to single out Alienware for this nonsense. Look around... all of the other OEMs are peddling similar trash, minus the eGPU Band-Aid. Clevo offers a few leftover models with sockets and slots that got a GPU refresh, and if Alienware cared about its reputation it would have followed suit with a similar refresh. But, most of the new gaming jokebooks seems to be similar BGA trash. There is almost nothing worth buying available from anyone. The few that still use an MXM GPU but have a BGA CPU are not an exception. Cancer is cancer. Weld either one one of them to the mainboard and its instantly a jokebook.

 

Rhetoric aside, we'll merely have to agree to disagree, I seriously doubt Dellienware had any concerns over introducing 900-series GPU's alongside BGA, that's what they are effectively doing in their announcements in January if all the indicators are correct.

 

It's not rhetoric when you absolutely don't care what they think or what they were, or were not, concerned about, LOL. It's called utter contempt for the agenda and rejection of compromise. :thumbsup:

" For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." I will take the narrow path. Hopefully, we will meet up again on the other side. Watch out for the rattlesnakes and scorpions.

 

Dellienware have worked in the hidden with their new Alienware laptop series. Why could not they wait for the new Intel processors launched in the autumn? They had sold their laptop anyway, only with an upgrade of the graphics card and maybe a little better fans. You say " I'm still not going two singles out Alienware for this nonsense" Which alienware laptop is what you want of the new? There are no options for good Alienware laptops of those Dell is going to offer .. What do you do?

 

Well to be fair this is probably what the masses think of us as well.

"The hell is wrong with these people, an 18.4" laptop that's 2.5" thick and weighs 10 pounds? Wow guess these retards have never heard of a desktop"

I feel that education should be the first line of approach. I save my vitriol for those that refuse to be enlightened and stay willfully ignorant.

It's funny because this situation is very reminiscent of my dealings with people who have chemophobia. I can make all the jokes about how everything is a chemical and how "chemical-free natural organic" stuff is just pure baloney, but it wouldn't help my cause because I'd just come off as an arrogant a$$ to them.

 

I don't want any of the new laptops that have BGA GPU and/or GPU. They are all pathetic garbage.

Here's what my strategy would be... Upgrade your existing Alienware M17xR4/17/M18xR2/18 or buy a new Clevo P570WM3 (Eurocom Panther 5). Otherwise, leave the laptop scene entirely, buy a cheap Chromebook for $300 or less to use as an internet appliance, or buy a used Dell Precision with an XM CPU and Quadro, or a new ThinkPad W540, to use for work and everything except gaming, and build a monster desktop. The new Dell Precisions are business jokebooks with BGA filth as well, so the cancer isn't isolated to gaming jokebooks.

The difference is, we literally don't care what they think. That's not being arrogant, it's just honest. If they get their feelings hurt because we don't care, then que sera sera. We are under no obligation to acknowledge, validate, adopt or otherwise legitimize their opinions about what falls within the scope of acceptability.

When you are trying to sell something you pretend to care what they think so you can get their money. It doesn't sway your opinion of their ignorance, you just put on a show and act professional. You avoid the temptation to openly ridicule their asinine phobias to make the sale. As most of us are employees that are part of a machine, we all do what we have to do in a corporate setting to maintain political correctness and keep the cash flowing. That doesn't mean we drink the Kool-Aid.

 

Pity. I was thinking of looking into the Precision line-up for my next notebook.

 

Yes, it is a pity. I just checked before I posted. There's nothing left but trash now. Had to go to the Lenovo web site to find a business machine that wasn't castrated. But, you can get a used (or Outlet) Precision that's not a thin and light jokebook. The last generation Precisions are awesome machines. They are boxy-looking like a Clevo or Lenovo, but built like a brick house with an alloy chassis.

 

Spoiler

Enthusiast on strike.

 

Msi brag at least that graphics card is upgradeable. Alienware has stopped this. MSI has increased the power supply from 180w to 230W. Alienware 17 has downgraded from 240W to 180w. MSI has continued 4 ram slot (32GB) while alienware 17 should have 2 ram slots with total 16gb ram. Stupidly. Everything is downgraded ...
Msi = Graphics VRAM GDDR5 8GB/4GB and Alienware = only 4gb

 

The problem with not catering to enthusiasts is the followers have no 'most powerful' brand image to follow - something that's sold many AW's over the years. Alienware have obviously succumb to the 'why are your laptops so much thicker than the others' type buyer, yet they went one step further and offered disposable BGA dirt.
The laptops aren't getting more powerful. How can this be a good thing? Something has gone horribly wrong if an old Alienware from 2 gens ago can upgrade its GPU and then still spank the newer models.

 

We who want the best of hardware is now ruled out from buying us a new Alienware laptop due decisions taken by Dellienware. Now comes the laptop manufacturers to compete, who makes the thinnest and quietest gaming laptop that can be sold. All with the same pathetic hardware but just in a different package. The manufacturer who manages to make the best cooling solution to these gaming laptop's win, not because of hefty hardware.

 

Reminds me exactly how Formula 1 is being butchered and neutered slowly each year to slow the cars down in the name of safety.
Why someone would want to buy a laptop that can't be upgraded is simply beyond me too. I get the GA part - I actually like it. But no need to castrate the whole line up bringing it to market.
I'm prepared to give them the benefit of doubt right now in the hope we see more details on models we know nothing of. AW13 is a certified calculator, AW17 r2 a soldered 'no upgrades ever' job...will they gimp the entire range in the same fashion? I guess we'll find out s̶o̶o̶n̶ ̶e̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶.
Unless we see something unsoldered, extreme and unexpected, I'll be keeping my m18x r2 and be getting me some 980m SLI MXM lovin'.

 

Thing is a AW machine with the GA would look far closer to that goofer in the picture than a simple AW from yesterday.

 

^^^this, LOL^^^

And, sadly even with the GA and all the extra bulky stuff to go along with it the new machines won't be able to keep up with the performance of an M18xR2 with XM CPU and 780M SLI.

 

That is indeed a big issue if you ask me. That's why even if I were to get an Alienware 17, would never buy the graphics amplifier as the performance difference isn't NEARLY enough worth the price.
It is a good idea for the alienware 13. Or perhaps if it comes out an aliewnare 14 if it were to be released with an 960m or something. But then again, the thought that there are more powerful 17 and 18 inch laptops with an sli configurations available without the need of carrying a stupid GA, makes me totally don't want to buy a GA whatsoever.

Like I said it's only worth if you have the alienware 13. I might go with that one after all after seeing some reviews, and benchmarks of games I like to play with the GA. I like portability a lot, and I was surprised that in actual size the aliewnare 13 is very close to the m11x, which made it more interesting for me. I guess the CPU is then the drawback I have to live with.

 

The Alienware brand is dead, Buy either of these SLI beasts M18xR2 / P570WM / P377SM-A and one would never regret buying these and can game / bench / OC for atleast 3-4+ years without compromise :thumbsup:, rather than buying the new crippled delleinware machines with noobwell processors and broken fan profiles..

 

Alienware is not dead. Ok, they don't use the ultimate hardware, but also take care about cool and noise.
I've played with my friend in LAN party; after an hour on gaming in fullHD, my AW17 was cool, him Levono was like an hoven

 

I made a post last year speaking to the changes that hardware components will bring to manufacturers, and I unfortunately predicted this change to crap. (I don't remember what thread it was, but we were speaking about all of the systems of 2013 replacing the previous generation.) Anyway, if I recall correctly, I do remember saying that we would be extremely disappointed for a generation and then things would balance out again as components begin to offer substantial improvements in performance over what we know today. However, I did not expect them to solder practically everything, lol... That is surprising. Alienware has taken a step in a direction that has shocked me.

If the rumors are true about the Alienware 17 only offering 2 RAM slots, that system is going to be a grave disappointment to many consumers. Why would they purchase Alienware? You can't even have 32GB's of memory anymore...? How is Alienware considered a high-performance system at that point? Maybe it's high-performance for about 6 months, then it's trash. I hope these rumors or leaks about the Alienware 17 are false.

New Alienware slogan: "Mediocre-performance systems."

 

Don't you think 2 ram slot can manage 32Gb? 2x 16Gb maybe?

Also with an SSD the RAM is less important. It's still important, but less

 

Are you going to spend $4500 on a laptop that only has 16GB's of RAM? No, you're not. And there are no 16GB RAM sticks.

They are going to have to substantially lower prices to be competitive in this new BGA crap market. Alienware is just becoming some average laptop with "fancy" aesthetics. Maybe certain models will offer 16GB's, and certain models will offer 32GB's. For example, you have to buy the more expensive pre-configured version to have more RAM slots.

 

I've noticed Alienware representatives haven't posted on this forum (or have rarely even logged in) since the changes to the Alienware lineup were made clear. It seems like Dell is overhauling Alienware and forcing them to make some drastic changes. It feels as though Alienware is in the middle of a transformation.

I fear they are cutting off ties with communities like NBR, and are revising their warranty to cut costs.

 

Looks lile it.. haven't seen the reps anywhere for the last 2 months or so..

 

Oh please let there be a 18 R2!!! :thumbsup:
I really wanted to purchase something special next year with an Xtreme non BGA CPU and Dual GPUs or even Triple
Even if this is the last one ever - surely they can't go out like this It would be such a pity!

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they also changed the return policy. I know that would save them a lot of money, lol.

Tech Support be like... "You have 1 business day to return the laptop."

Spoiler

 

I haven't seen Reps at AWA (aside from thexravenx, but he rarely posts) in the past 2 weeks maybe, and there are barely any at Dell's forums, so they must be going through some "training" about the new laptops and latest computers. And, as you said, internal transformations.
Still, this is an oddity.

 

Luis posted every day of the week for the entire year. It's not training. Something is going on within the company. Change, whether it's good or bad, who knows.

 

I mean training to learn about the new products. Really, there have been a staggering number of threads about the Alpha at my home forum to the point where users have to help, suggesting workarounds. The reps don't know that much about the new lineup, so it is possible that they need more information about them.
That's a problem. That, and the views from reps may not confirm well with Alienware's next laptop lineup or direction, so... yeah. I think Luis on this thread earlier said he was not that open to soldered components.

 

grab M18x R2s and M17x R4s while you can people. The 17 and 18 are garbage, and looks like they will be replaced with even lower quality garbage.

 

"Garbage"
Hah. That is your opinion technos. I dont find my AW18 as garbage. I actually really like the design and the bright stellar display. It may not cover all areas 100%, like perfect overclocking score for the CPU or have all possible ports ever made. But for me, its the nicest notebook I have owned

 

The AW 17 R1 and AW 18 R1 are not garbage. The R2's will most likely be garbage. Still not 100% confirmed, but it looks that way.

But I do agree. If you are a true enthusiast, you should grab one of the following: M17x R4, Alienware 17 R1, M18x R2, Alienware 18 R1.

 

I love the M18xR1/R2 to pieces, but the Alienware 18 is a really excellent machine and 980M SLI (assuming it works) may help compensate for it's inability to handle any kind of fancy GPU overclocking with 780M and 880M SLI. Compared to almost everything else (except for the P570WM3 and M18xR1/R2) the Alienware 18 is unmatched in build quality or performance. Compared to all of the BGA thin and light filth in front of us in laptop world right now, it's a freaking atomic bomb, LOL and so is the Alienware 17.

Apart from the difference in opinion about the current 17 and 18, what technos is suggesting is spot on. There is a tsunami of mediocrity and garbage heading for the enthusiast shoreline. People need to start grabbing these machines while they still can, then head for high ground until the filthy wave of jokebook devastation passes.

 

I am in the market fir a new laptop. I mainly wish to play League of Legends or WoW. I'll occasionally dabble in some first person shooters as well. Which laptop would you recommend I purchase? I don't want an 880m gfx card.

 

Something with a socket-mounted i7 CPU and MXM video cards. You can't go wrong with 3820QM or 4800MQ as an entry-level gamer CPU and 780M or 980M as the GPU. That will do all the gaming you need to do with relative ease. The 970M will also do a decent job. Just make sure you only buy something with sockets and slots. You can pick up used Alienware systems with these specs at reasonable prices right now, but that may soon change. It is possible that the proliferation of garbage will increase the resale value of these "obsolete" but far superior jokebook assassins. There are some great deals to be had with Sager/Clevo as well... don't forget to look there. I think you might find an Alienware 17 or 18, or an M17xR4 or M18xR2 in the NBR Marketplace right now if you hurry. ASUS and MSI laptops with sockets and slots would be better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick, but they would be a last resort behind Alienware and Sager/Clevo as the better choices.

As critical as we have been of the Alienware 17 and 18 Haswell machines, they are like weapons of mass destruction compared to most of the BGA excrement being offered in new machines.

 

It's funny coming back and reading about people noticing a shift within Dell/AW. I've definitely noticed it myself with very poor levels of support recently. I'll certainly be letting Dell know what I think when this case is finally resolved.

While I fully expect it to take a little longer when using email support (which historically I've found very good, and much easier than trying to understand someone over the phone), but taking something like a week with "premium" and "NBD" support to fix an issue that could have been fixed in a day, and after I've already done 99% of the troubleshooting before raising a ticket is not on. We're talking about 24 hours to respond to an email even after the ticket has been assigned their end, when previously it took 20-60 minutes or so once your ticket had been reached in the queue.

Looks like cost saving measures are in full effect. If this is a "premium" experience then I don't want to know what the average person has to go through.

 

I wouldn't buy anything right now unless you want to purchase used or something.

We're only a month away from Broadwell's announcement. You might as well wait for newer stuff. It won't hurt. The old stuff will still be around.

 

But the precise issue is that the newer stuff will be subpar and the premium you pay for soldered parts will not be worth it. Granted for my needs I could get by with a 13 or 14 but still..if I buy something I want it to last and be a premium product. That's what Mr. Fox and others have been saying. I can wait for the new stuff but the socketed old stuff will only get harder to find or even increase in price.

 

You have an M11x, so I assume you want something around that size again. Anything in that form factor will most likely have a soldered CPU, anyway. As long as you get a quad-core processor, you should be good (performance wise) for a while. Unfortunately, almost all laptops in the future will be soldered. So, one day you're going to be forced to adapt if you stick with laptops. Personally, I'll most likely be moving to a desktop & console combination for gaming.

 

I also have a m17xr3 with a 6990 card but the laptop is literally falling to pieces lol. (3 years old). I would try to upgrade it but it will need a new almost everything.

 

Hi all, i new here and a very enthusiasts and optimist future Alienware 17 buyer.
i dun know if im lucky or not, but i purchase an Alienware 17 last month, and Dell Representative call me last week telling me that AW has stop the production of AW17.
She did provide an alternative AW laptop which is AW13, but then she did say that if i can afford to wait until mid Jan 2015 for the new AW17 brand.

 

Nah, ask for an 18 or keep your money and find something else. The 13 is not an acceptable alternative by any stretch of the imagination if you were hoping for a level of performance like the current 17 offers. The new machines are all going to be shackled with low-TDP CPUs and GPUs that are soldered to the motherboard. Even a BGA version of 980M will be potent, but the machines will be disposable and the wimpy CPUs that won't overclock are possibly going to bottleneck the 980M. If you want something fantastic that can be upgraded to 980M or potentially something even better down the road, grab a machine from Dell Outlet with an Extreme CPU or something up from Clevo that uses sockets and slots.

 

then i shall consider myself unlucky coz of the inability for future upgrade on the new AW17. Dang, i know i should have bought it earlier

 

The 17 has been modified to work with the 980M and it's a fine machine.

 

then i shall consider myself unlucky coz of the inability for future upgrade on the new AW17. Dang, i know i should have bought it earlier

 

Sorry for the repeat post there.
So do you think it better for me to buy the AW17 now and upgrade the GPU to 980M? I know that DELL US is still selling that, but some country like mine (Malaysia) already stop selling it.