Well from what I'm hearing and seeing I have about ... 0 reasons to get rid of my R2 for any of this new disposable rubbish. It seems like it's still going to spank the new boys so hopefully it can take a couple of 980m's.
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Looks like I might also be keeping my M18x for a long time. Maybe I'll finally upgrade it when pascal is out or get dual 980Ms when they're cheaper.
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Having 980M SLI mounting in MXM slots accounts for only 50% of awesome. An Extreme CPU mounted in a standard socket is the other 50%. Attach any CPU or GPU permanently to the mobo and it goes from zero to utterly worthless instantly. Even if you don't feel compelled to buy an Extreme CPU, having a CPU heat sink that can adequately cool an overclocked Extreme CPU is important for everyone, even if they choose to go with a mainstream MQ CPU to reduce cost.Ashtrix, MickyD1234 and TBoneSan like this. -
I guess you're right, Cloudfire, they may very well no longer offer 120 Hz screens after the update... I'm absolutely gutted. I really wanted a 980M with a 120Hz screen
Eurocom may be my last hope, but I'm not too sure I want to invest 2000-2500€ in a laptop that may not have the greatest build quality. Ugh, I'm really disappointed.
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edit after the chat log was deleted: I was told by an Alienware customer advisor that there were only a few 120 Hz screens remaining and that they would probably not be included with the new lineup update. He did say the update would probably arrive this week or the next, for what that's worth, but I'm not sure he was talking about a 980M update. -
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Depressed.
I'm also wondering if the 980m is giving them some grief with compatibility? I know AW like to release new GPU's with a full refresh but they have added in newer GPU's 'mid-stream' in the past.
In the absence of any official statements I have to think they are prepared to let the 17 and 18 wither on the vine - then drop them due to lack of sales.
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Looks like the end of the line for laptops. Hopefully, the gloomy outlook is only temporary and there's a good surprise for us in 17 and 18 that we can't see yet. I'm sick of unpleasant surprises. If not, the only acceptable option left will be a desktop... which will be extremely disappointing. Ah well, at least we can say it was fun while it lasted.
I guess the silver lining is that the price of the maxed out Area-51 is very close to being the same as a self-built system with the same core components. This is great news for those that want something truly unique-looking, those that are intimidated by building their own or simply prefer the convenience of Alienware being on the hook for making everything turn out right during the warranty period.
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i plan to buy a alienware 17(r5) with gtx860M. does it cpu and gpu upgradeable ?
i read somewhere maxwell GPU soldered in mainboard and cant be replace
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Going away is one thing... getting dumbed-down with a soldered CPU would be another. If it ends up following the trend we are seeing with other brands it will just be an Alienware "Beavis" version of run-of-the-mill "Butthead" gaming Ultracrap notebooks.
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I keep visualising a bunch of marketing guys congratulating themselves after the release.
"We sure grabbed that wealthy student market, and that gizmo you can plug in will pacify the enthusiasts".
Either they are going to make the docking station fit all their laptops OR they only go for one laptop IMO.
As a hard-core desktop builder in the past I always looked down on AW as a rich boys toy or lazy option to be able to game well. The R3 I got first was kinda forced on me due to circumstances but I very quickly fell in love with it - even though it put me through some bad technical problems.
Feel like I'm writing an obituary, The Death of a Brand, hopefully (and I still hope) they pull back and make a commitment to high end laptops.
Side note: That business about the pre-release dell page stating the machine comes with the AW warranty of RTB. Typo?? No, simply one of the options they are considering, and using the AW reputation to make it sound good.
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Well seems like the lapocalypse is going to arrive a lot sooner than we expected.
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Yes, well it seems like the Alienware laptop design team has lost touch with reality if rumors of plans to eliminate the 18 XM/SLI monster and make the 17 into a BGA-powered Ultrabook are accurate. I hope they are not.
You don't call an auto mechanic to fix your plumbing. You don't call in Mexican Mariachis for a Bar Mitzvah. It wouldn't make any sense to ask an Imam to conduct Sunday Mass or preach at the Baptist Church.
Putting consumer-oriented project leads in charge of enthusiast products that have a strong cultural following like ours makes about that much sense. Quick way to kill a brand, for sure.
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The whole move with the AW 13 (without a quad option) is just surreal. What I can't get is that it won't take long for word to get around that the eGPU business doesn't really work out without a decent CPU to back it up. I can see now that they are probably tweaking their other lines and possibly introducing a revised 14 or new 15 to utilize the eGPU setup, but they need to throw some rope out there to give people something. I was optimistic at first, but now... a decent deal on an AW 14 is starting to look good.
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Sorry, but, what does BGA stand for?
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In comparison a pin grid array, often abbreviated PGA, is a type of integrated circuit packaging. In a PGA, the package is square or rectangular, and the pins are arranged in a regular array on the underside of the package. The pins are commonly spaced 2.54 mm (0.1") apart, and may or may not cover the entire underside of the package.
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I absolutely hate that despite they having 2-3 employees that is hired to help Alienware customers, answer questions etc on this very board, and all this concern about their current and future products from people who have been following them like true fans, they do not even to come in this thread to put out some flames or even say "We are hearing your concerns and are listening".
No they are acting like spoiled brats that feel entitled and act like people will buy their systems regardless what changes that may come. Dont even try to silence the debate of using a neutured 13" notebook instead of sticking with a bigger 14" that can actually feature a proper GPU and CPU. Or the debate of discontinuing a dear old 18" notebook that have been part of Alienware for almost 4 years.
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Well I hope they are reading this because I want them to know that if they really are discontinuing the 18, I am completely done with them. They won't get another dime from me. I was planning on buying a new 18 and an Area 51 within the next 6 months or so. Not now and not ever if the 18 is gone. A buddy of mine was also looking at getting an 18 after the holiday's. That's about 9k from me and 3-4 k from my buddy they will no longer see.
Dell sucks, they always have. The Alienware line was the only redeeming quality they have had for years now and that is despite their best attempts to ruin it. Well, they may have finally succeeded. Congrats Dell, your suckiness is shining bright and clear now. What pisses me off to no end is these companies buy out another company that they have no ability or intention of supporting and maintaining. Pathetic. -
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I've read through the thread and passed on all of your concerns to the Product Group, however I can't promise that all of them will be done by them. We have received lots of feedback here from the new machine and I'll escalate it to them for them to be aware of the thread as well. About upcoming releases, unfortunately as a Technical Support Representative there is a limitation on the information that we can share as long as our marketing team doesn't do any official announcements. Once that is done we'll be able to get the feedback from you and escalate it as well if there is any. All of your concerns are very important for me as I've worked with the company and on this forum for a long time and I understand the needs of a gaming machine because I'm also a gamer. I'm pretty sure that once that the best place to be heard about all this is in our site Ideastorm.com, they are connected directly with PG and can escalate things easily. We've been slowly revealing everything we've created and I'm sure that if we are missing any announcements, they'll happen soon.
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I've seen those rumors on the boards, but there isn't much I can say if we haven't got any official news from marketing.
@Mr. Fox, I understand your point completely. The 18" Alienware line has always been loved and pretended by many.Mr. Fox likes this. -
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I want to upgrade my GPU to 980M SLI on my Alienware 18. Let's make it happen, Dell.
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This is rather inconvenient as I was hoping to buy an 18 sooner rather than later (unless they discontinue it).
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Not sure about that, if the 14 were getting refreshed I can't see why they would pull it as an offering off the site unless the page is still in the process of being reworked to show all the models including the 14. Heck, even the deals page no longer has the 14 and tries to direct you to the AW 13.
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It could be that they're just trying to force people to purchase the AW 13. There's a huge gap between 13" and 17", lol.
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I feel insulted honestly. What kind of R&D is happening where you don't realize eGPU is going to be severely bottlenecked by a slow processor.
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These "alienware-experts" are pathetic. I asked a question regarding the alienware 13 and the e-GPU.:
Q: There are many CPU intensive games out there. I have a 2.0 GHZ i7 Quad core (2.8 with turbo boost) cpu that even is a bottle neck with the GT 555M for a game such as Tera. How can I expect the alienware 13 will truly benefit from a Desktop e-GPU such as the GTX 980 with a pathetic cpu such as the ULV dual core i5-4210U?
A: Then why don't you take the aliewnare 13 with an quad core i7 configuration?
(can you believe this answer???)
Anyway I rephrased the question more simpler, but he instead connected me with the manager. And he gave me the usual bs. "sorry for the inconvenience", "I will take note on that, have a nice day"...
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Also you are aware of the fact that the Gap between the aliewnare 13 and 17 is a little too big now. If you ask me a system in between is required. An aliewnare 14 or 15.
It's disappointing to see alienware running so late with the 900M GPU's as one of the biggest gaming pc brands.
All I want is an alienware 14 or 15 with a 970M or 980m (preferably with an IPS panel). Nothing more. Waiting for 1 year now, but still nothing.
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There seems to be a general feeling of people being upset, and mainly the enthusiasts. This feeling should come as no surprise when we are surrounded by mass consumption, mass production, and extremely fast product lifecycles. The Alienware 13 and eGPU was poorly timed and only further alienated the enthusiast segment. We're worried more than anything else that we won't be listened to.
I hope that every issue and concern is forwarded and hopefully seen and addressed.
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First, what was the most powerful laptop system, P570WM/3, being discontinued and now possibly the AW18.
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In my logical head, if one is certain AW18 will carry on, one wouldnt break any important NDA or secret in the company, if you said something like "of course it will continue".
But this reply and the last one " it would be a shame if dissappeared" along with "only those in charge knows" makes me believe that you know that the AW18 life is in limbo and up to the high ups at Dell to decide whether you should keep it alive or not. That this is even a question right now is because I think due to the massive cry from this thread about AW18 as well as the posts on your Facebook page means you may decide to keep the AW18 alive for a little longer.
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I also think a lot of us are hoping for some hints regarding when you will finally reveal the new systems. We are getting sick of waiting. I can't take any calls on which notebook I will buy until I've seen or not seen the AW18. Money is ready right now for purchase.
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When are the new Alienwares with Maxwell coming?
Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Cloudfire, Sep 29, 2014.