Where are the new Alienwares?

The specs they have are pathetic since more than a year, When in the world are they gonna upgrade their lineup to the latest CPUs/GPUs?

 

Graphics amplifier exist for a reason lol

 

Ermmmm these are the latest available parts from all manufacturers. There are no successors to the Maxwell series of Nvidia GPU's. AMD didnt release anything new either and Kaby Lake is just shipping to the manufacturers now.

 

like what I meant is the desktop CPUs or upgraded SSDs? more RAM slots? you know, like a refresh for the current models.

 

WOuld be very unwise to upgrade the current models with the same CPU n GPU's. I kinda think it is unfair that other brands did release new models with the same hardware as if it is an upgrade. A few months and everything will be outdated. I would feel cheated if I would buy a laptop now with a 980M and next monthe the 1070 arrives.

 

Skylake was a decent upgrade from Haswell, Kaby lake wont be. But from what things are like, i dont see any new refreshes coming out any time before Q2 Next year.

 

I think autumn will bring the Pascal Alienwares. At least they need to.

Regarding the CPU's I always said that Intel didnt bring anything new to the table since the Sandy Bridge days. This is true in clockspeed performance but I recently found out this is not the case with FPU performance in modern games. My 6700HQ non overclocked beats the crap out of my to 5GHZ overclocked Sandy Bridge 2500K for example. The opinion I had is a very popular opinion online but actually not the case.

 

Try more memory speed on ddr3, it'll give a nice boost in fps

 

According to THIS LINK GTX 1080m is right around the corner. We should see new Alienware updates soon.

 

What do you mean by 'soon'? Because nVidia has not announced any Pascal mobility GPU yet.
And I Think AW would take several months of delay since the announcement and their own upgrades...

 

There will be no upgrades. All Dellienware cards are now soldered.

 

there is an upgrade

you just have to buy a new one

 

Alienware probably won't be producing high end laptops anymore with the advent of the Graphics Amplifier.

What's the odds Aorus already has a 17.3 4K/6820HK with a full GTX 1080 ready next month?

 

Seeing the trend of aorus, they will most probably use 1070m sli instead of a big fat 1080-2560.

Technically faster, but doesn't really translate to in game performance scaling.

 

Aorus yet needs to make a laptop that doesnt throttle under full load. Its like a Lamborghini chassis but with 2 volkwagen golf engines to push it. THeir model with a desktop 980 throttles enough that it hardly benefits compared to a 980M model that does not throttle.

 

So your opinion is that AW "Echo"with Gtx980m offers the same performance or even better than Auros X7 with Gtx980 + the nice throttling?

 

I didnt say better, I said similar performance. Add 200mhz on core for example with the 980M and you gain with a memory overclock about 20% more performance while the temperature is staying around 65~70c.

The Aorus X7 DT however is constantly hitting 95C and makes the GPU speed very erratic and often hovers well under 900mhz but its not available widely in the wild so this is only from a friend who is actually testing it now as we speak. It is also very loud by the way. Even the AOrus X5S with the 980M has trouble keeping its head cool by the way.

 

Review out yet for X7 DT?

 

Havent seen one yet. Only some shops have it for testing. Not sure of they are on sell now even.

 

probably recall for reballing / reflow :0

 

They would have a killer machine if the keyboard tray wasnt that cheap and it had half a cm more thickness for better cooling.

 

if it was half a cm thicker, it'll be for an RGB system

because nowadays, RGB sells more than actual performance numbers

 

Killer machine if it had been half a cm thicker? A BIG NO!! 6820BGA and locked firmware makes this Turdbook to a crippled product such as other machines with soldered hardware!! + Bad binned processors who need sky high voltage if you try more than 4.0/4.1 GHz.

 

You know I like portable machines. I dont need to overclock anyway. I just want solid performance in an easy to carry package.

 

I talked more about the Auros X7 now. A so called DTR!! OEM's brag about unlocked i7 with OC potentiale and gtx980 who is meant for Overclocking. What's the point with unlocked hardware if you can't do it becauce of their crippled machine's?

 

If the link I posted is providing accurate info the 1080m should be available very soon, which means Nvidia will announce it.

My best guess is Alienware will release a new laptop line just before the holidays. They can't be the only ones not offering the new 1080m (assuming other manufacturers use it in their machines as advertised).

 

Maybe they're waiting till nVidia announces first before they announce theirs. nVidia partners should already have the parts ready.

Don't they use the same wattage if you have the exact same frequency and voltage?

If they are based off the same architecture, they should get the same results.
watts= frequency*voltage*voltage*constant

If Skylake takes 100w at 4.0f at 1.25v, 3.2f on all cores at 1.1v = 62w
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

 

lol the same place that other manufactures systems are. They are waiting for pascal.

 

Or put it this way. Maybe three months after all the other brand pushed out their new models. As with the introduction of Maxwell

 

Lol another thread

 

Not necessarily. Stock performance is not as important as overclocking headroom anyway. If things are properly unlocked the CPU will use whatever multiplier, TDP and voltage the end user decides to give them (within reason, of course). If the processor can't do that, then it's nothing to write home about.

 

They're in the trash!

Sorry, couldn't resist after seeing the thread title.

 

Looking at how much bigger the new Pascal cards are, and that they need aux power, Alienwares will need to change so much more than other manufacturers. I wouldn't expect anything before Q2 next year.

 

And Aw fans out there shouldn't expect that there will be released thinner and more lightweight models than Dell push out now (if Dell jump onto 1080). Or maybe Mr. Azor can can overcome the laws of physics? He can try And forget a fully 1080 in AW15R3. Oh' ..., I forgot that graphics TDP can be Crippled lowered with bios/Ec

 

Looking at the SLI configs of the Clevo P870DM2/3 and the new 77xDM2 machines with single 1070/1080 with a 120Hz 5ms full spectrum display panels, 3000MHz XMP factory memory support, factory 2x PSU options for SLI machines and the ESS Sabre HiFi DAC options, Vapour Chamber cooling. They are just aiming for the summit, MSI on the otherhand pushing full MXM slotted machines and upgrades to the older machines with upgrade kits, no secure flash, no low CFM gimped fans, they are runner up just because of the BGA CPU & Then there's this news of MSI going to release the LGA socketed machine with MXM GPUs and easy to maintain for servicing.

Where are you Mr Frank (No profile ?), please give an explanation of the route you chose not that AMA. We need real guaranteed answers not some PR feat things this time around, And Yes, we know that Nvidia stopped MXM reference designs, and don't get that on that excuse again & My intuition says this happened because of Dell dropping with the MXM machines, What happened to the SLI machines ? Is this what the Alienware brand stood for ? Backstabbing and Gimping, using the former self of success with the M18x and M17x lineups ? Selfless and Shameless !! Dell Private company.

As an Alienware customer for a long period I demand an answer.

 

You remember that.

1. The P870DM original doesn't seem to be able to use 2x 1080 (clevo model SLi)
2. 7xxDMx may be possible with 1080
3. 7x0ZMx is EOL (at least the motherboard with LVDS) on 10xx support
4. Alienware did offer 120Hz option at some point
5. Prema mentioned that the Clevo options such as extended XMP need a bios from him
6. Prema also mentioned that the EC needs his magic to remove the 2x330w limitation
7. MXM for new Clevo doesn't seem to be usable on the old models (especially the ZM machines, no power connector)
8. MSi is extremely expensive, above AW
9. MSi MXM is weaker in terms of cooling and power delivery capability (smaller MXM, less VRM compared to clevo)
10. MSi does have a physical ESS Sabre DAC in the mobo (GT80S MGTX980 SLi), while the internals of the Clevo does not'
11. The Alienware 17/15 motherboard DOES have a physical Creative Soundblaster chip, dunno if this would function as a DAC or not. But at least it's not the generic Realtek drivers like the other manufacturers.

 

The Pascal Clevo's have this.

 

need pic :|

 

Everywhere Alienware loses to them, I cannot trust Alienware anymore with the huge downgrade mess they pulled out with every thing from Power limits, Secure Flash, Gimped fans, No user friendly chassis & Optimus shackled, hell no ?!

I'd take the best of the options, If I want a DTR not a wimpy chained strings attached machine.

Ultimately I'd add, It's more of the user base because the Intel, Nvidia, Micro$lop shoving down anything what they wanted. If it was no NBR there would have been no OCing on Mobile Nvidia GPUs at all with everything completely blocked !! Mama used to say " Be a smart customer"

 

Clevo site , take your pick :


http://www.clevo.com.tw/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=950&lang=en

 

Where are you Mr Frank (No profile ?) → → @Alienware-Frank
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there's no pic of the internals with ess dac

http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachments/msi-gt80s-sli-gtx980-disassembly-jpg.130085/

 

IM sure Clevo will not put it up on their site to mislead people or to get kicks out of it.

The systems arent even out yet, so a proper disassembled images are unlikely to come by, and even after that there is a good chance , and im speaking about this from experience after disassembling the P870DM-G, it will be not in any easily accessible/visible area, simple because there just not enough space around the GPU area/bottom of the system. And this seems to be the case from the limited images we have seen of the GPU side of the systems.
And there is a good chance it wont be under a flashy cover, just plain old shielding.

 

I'll be waiting.

Though MSi is also an attractive choice because of better upgrade history.

 

A clevo laptop with dual 1080M mxm boards are shown here. http://videocardz.com/63141/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-mobile-gets-gddr5x-memory

Another not standard form factor MXM boards. I wonder how many upgrade-able laptops can actually run these? The temps running these is around 85C which isnt great either.

In my experience if you e-mail Mr Frank Azor he is happy to answer and takes the time to write an answer. These threads are often just too toxic to be even involved in.

They are a business, if it would sell they would build it. They could build something out of prestige but in general by far most consumers just dont want a machine like this (based on what I see and read in various communities) they rather buy a desktop for this level of performance because of the price and better form factor for something that sits on a desktop 24/7.

MSI is trying on the other hand to find its niche because they are hit a bit too much but the declining PC market (just as the other main Taiwanese manufacturers by the way) while PC gaming is the only niche that didnt decline. Dell is just too big to go cater to a niche market. But who knows Alienware might surprise this part of the market.

 

I don't care what excuses they offer. It's all mumbo jumbo and doesn't matter simply because they are no longer #1. Clevo is #1, MSI #2 and will stay #2 forever or until they get with the program and nix the BGA crap. Don't care who #3 is. The only one that matters is who is #1 if that's the most important thing. If not, people are going to do whatever they want anyhow. I'm not sure anyone has any information about temps for 1080 SLI using Clevo's new vapor chamber cooling setup. Not sure where @rinneh is getting technical information about that.

I think everyone that believes Pascal is going to be nice right out of the chute is jumping the gun with unrealistic expectations. EVERYTHING that NVIDIA has released in mobile since 580M until now has been a gimped and castrated piece of feces with a stock vBIOS and mostly true (not as severe) with desktop boards with a stock vBIOS. I expect Pascal will be worse than ever with a stock vBIOS. We can expect higher than necessary temps at stock clocks, erratic clock speeds and throttling where there is no reason for throttling. That's just how they roll at the Green Goblin. Push out a half assed product, charge more than it is worth, and let the end users straighten out their messes. The only reason they ever get to have a pass on sucking is because the alternative (AMD) is inferior by a wide margin. Even their next gen best GPU delivers performance on part with obsolete GeForce products.

 

What do you mean? The 85C max temp came from a Furmark run.

 

Yeah, well... beside that consider the source. It's a "professional" review so it's bound to be an inaccurate reflection in many ways. Even the fact that a "professional" reviewer was enough of a moron to use Furmark in the first place is a good example of how ignorant most of them are. Is it any wonder some noobs ruin their new laptops doing stupid things like that? Monkey see, monkey do.

But, the good thing is professional reviews almost always understate performance and frequently overemphasize the wrong things. Not all reviewers that review high performance machines are talented overclocking enthusiasts. Might even be safe to say hardly any or none at all are. I've never seen any laptop deliver an OOBE that meets my expectations in every way. Nobody sells them made that well. The people that manufacture them are not good enough at what they do to deliver that, and the people that assemble them don't take the time to get everything perfect. I always have to take things apart and redo the thermal paste... that's just a given. But, that's OK. I'd rather do it myself and then I know it was done right and nothing left to chance.

Bottom line is, take what you read in a "professional" review with a grain of salt. Great sources of photos and general info such as specs. Real performance information will have to wait until machines land in the hands of the hardcore end users and the firmware mods are ready. Without firmware mods, everything is a mass production jokebook, castrated turd machine even if it has sockets and slots.

 

This, QFT.

 

In my experiences Furmark doesnt heat up the card THAT much compared to absolute full load in a good benchmark. So I dont expect the temps to be below 80c. You might could with some CLU for example. It is still a hot card in a fairly confined space and till now vapor chamber coolers on desktop cards always have been fairly underwhelming.

But what for me the most interesting part is, do these cards work in existing hardware. There are a lot of fans here for the MXM system because you could upgrade older systems. But if they constantly change the MXM form factor that point is kinda moot.