Why all the hate and no excitement?(M15x)

Hey Everyone


Why is no one excited about the new m15x?
It fixes all the problems from the previous m15x, no hinge problems, better build quality ect. Plus it has the newer processors, much better design, and what should be a better battery life with the 9 cell battery installed.

Theres a whole thread full of people complaining about this and that about it yet not a single person I have read has been excited by it.


So why no love for the new m15x
I know that I am excited am i missing something here?

Cheers
David

 

people can voice their opinons about the new system as they like, loads of people are excited but not a single person here has had their hands on the system so they tend to point out potential flaws that may or may not make them send the system back, its all speculation at the moment and people are just trying to point out its flaws to decide if they should buy it or not, flaws are a good way to justify not buying a system due to battery time or possible hinge problems etc.

We dont know yet if the hinge is super strong so.... who knows it could snap after 10 cycles or it could last a lifetime, so just wait till someone gets their hands on the system and points out there should be no problems caused by things that were making people unsure.

 

I know its speculation at the moment,

I remember the moment the m17x was released and made public people went ga ga over them and the forum was alive.

Just seems kind of sad that not many people are really excited

 

I'd consider myself a 'glass-half-full' person, however if you visit the Dell Forum ( http://en.community.dell.com/forums/3746.aspx) there's a fair amount of disenchanted customers - not so much the product, but the way they have been (mis)treated by Dell Sales and Support, along with some very dodgy sales (mal)practises.

Beautiful thought the new PCs sound (as you're asking our opinions), the view I have is that people will only take so much poor treatment (which may affect some regions or customers more than others), but it's understandable why some people wouldn't want to go through the same disappointment again. Trying to be objective here, and of course there is a flip side, but Dell can't ignore this level of negative feedback and be suprised that many customers are understandably pretty ticked off.

Again just to stress, I love my M17x (a massively expensive toy and pure indulgence), but have been left pretty disenchanted by the whole Dell experience (having bought many Alienware systems in the past), so personally believe that the acquisition by Dell, job cuts, and outsourcing have seriously impacted their ability to adequately support their (premium) customers, both in terms of product supply/availability, factory QA, and post sales support.

Glass half full ... glass half full <mantra>

Trelawney

 

I recently brought the m17x and have no cash for another so I'm currently in the "not caring" mood.

I'm aware of the advantages/power of the i5/i7 cores but however I foresee my current Q9000 lasting me for a while as I'm able to sufficiently multi-task (do what I wanted to but couldn't on a T7200 Dual Core 2.0ghz) and I have no concrete plans to do much more.

On my old system I pretty much sit at 95% CPU usage doing what I do with "lag", and now with the Q9000 I "replicated" the scenario and I only sit at 25% CPU, a massive difference as it doesn't stutter my system up either.

To me it's a massive improvement already and I am benefitting much more.

Interestingly to note, I never knew the power profiles in Windows actually clock your CPU until recently, so in actual fact the CPU is sitting at 1.6ghz and only 25%~ usage instead.

 

I believe specifically in the Alienware section of these forums there are more gamers here than other sections. That usually means 17" notebook with dual GPUs. Probably why there was more excitement with the M17x. Plus there was less known about it. We pretty much knew what the M15x was before it was released, we just didn't know which GPU it would come with.

 

I think its all about the lack of GPU options people had hoped for myself. When people found out the best thing going into it was a 260 many started finding all the flaws . Had it shipped with a 4870 i have a strong feeling there would have been alot more positive things to say about it overall.

 

Sales would have been through the roof with a 4870. I would have bought it myself.

 

Yeah i was kickin it around myself as well but since i like to game more then anything i know i would have never been happy overall. I really want LED and i7 almost as much as xfire GPU . Almost .

 

Not all LEDs are created equal so we'll see how people like them. The LED I saw on a Thinkpad T500 was 100x worse than the RGBLED I saw on the Dell SXPS 16. BTW the 2CFFL HD panels Sony uses is just as good if not better than the RGBLED Dell uses.

BTW, do we know how many nits?

 

Yeah but i dont think sony sells a panel we can toss into the M17x. wish they did thoug .

i understand all about the bad LED screens as i have seen a few myself but if they are the same screens as the SXPS screens then overall they should be nice.

 

I haven't seen the non-RGBLED screen so I'm skeptical. All I have to go by is what I saw with the T500.

 

agree the sxps screens look nice.

 

I've seen plenty of excitement about the M15x, before and after landfall.

 

IMO it wasn't the first i7 and its really meh by now due to the chunkyness and the lack of GPU's as stated

 

I wouldn't go as far as saying theres no excitement... Most people here already have an M17x so they are prob not jumping on board. Only a serious enthusiast would need 2 highend expensive laptops. Those just purchasing an Alienware are plenty excited. There are some people on this board that legitimatly dont care about them M15x then there are a few who seem to be trying to convince themselves that they are happy with what they have. I'm plenty excited because I wanted an alienware but was never in the market for a 17".

 

no smartbay options and no binary graphics (not sure bout the last one)

the way i see it...
old/new m15x
lighter/heavier
smartbay/none
skullcap design/aluminum chassis
bad hinge/strong hinge
both good for gaming

the new m15x, imo became a purely gaming machine, unlike the old m15x which was balanced, capable of gaming, and capable of everyday stuff with the extended battery life and portability

 

I'm excited lol

Hopefully I get mine soon!!

 

i7 can't have the intergrated

also i think Quanta i think would not let them use smartbay on the new machines

 

Stuck with a M17 which is really not that bad now that the stuttering has gone away. Have no idea why but it just stopped. Waiting for the next generation of something new before pulling the trigger on a new laptop but not sure if i want to try Alienware again. Like the style of Alienware but the Clevo's seem to be better performers.

 

Chunkyness? You mean for a 15" notebook? I don't consider the M17x chunky and it's just as thick. 9lbs is definitely heavy for a 15" system.

What does Quanta have to do with it?

 

Because the new M15x is heavy, has no SmartBay, no GTX280M and not a really binary GFX.....

Maybe it's a better build quality but it doesn't represent what i'm waiting for a 15"......

 

LOL perhaps 9lbs is heavy for a 15", but 9lbs is hardly what I would consider "heavy"....

 

For me its a couple things. First, when you buy a 15" notebook you loose SLI/XFire, raid hard drives, etc. You gain portability. But in the M15X's case, the machine looks to be almost the same size as the M17X. Cost wise, its on par with an M17X. And all I can run is a 260M???

Pass.

 

Actually the battery life isn't something to brag about on the new M15x. The M17x gets better life with the integrated gfx option, and the previous m15x owns this one in terms of battery life with smart bay battery capability and binary GFX.

I love the screen on the new M15x, and the design though.

 

I my case I'm not excited because I don't care for a 15" screen.

And Dell bothered to update the 15"er but didn't do anything with its 17" gaming rig. Its insane that from a pure benchmarks perspective the 15"er kicks the snot out of the 17"er. Its not so much hate. Its the annoyance that Dell didn't do parallel development on both systems. But then again it may be the SLI\Crossfire that is delaying the M17x update. Who knows.

 

Depends on what you are doing. If you are going from your house to your car to somewhere and that is all yah. 9lbs is nothing.

If you are getting on a bus and walking 8 blocks, up stairs, etc. 9lbs + the power brick + the backpack is a bit on the heavy side.

If you are traveling a lot....9 lbs with accessories is a crap ton.

Its all in the perspective.

 

No offense but if you think there has been no excitement on these forums about the m15x then you missed the 100 page long official m15x owner thread lol

 

I wouldn't be surprised to eventually see a 4870 option for the M15x, i just don't get leaving off an HDMI port? Even with the single 260 it could be a DTR/on the go solution for some light gamers but not being able to plug into an external monitor via HDMI when at home diminishes that versatility somewhat.

 

Hehe, that is about what I do with my M17x daily. Except the stairs part, since this base don't have much in the way of stairs. Yah, its about 20lbs with my inadequate case, brick, and other crap....

 

It has a display port which is downgradable to HDMI via a $20 adapter.

For me smartbay is nothing I need. 500gb is plenty of storage for a laptop the way I use it, I have a file server at home.

And the speculation on which system gets better battery life is pointless at this point. The brief review at driverheaven didnt even include any details to what powersaving options were turned on/off. If the m15x cant match the battery life of a bigger notebook with dual hds I would be suprised. Basically to each his own. I didn't "need" a gaming laptop but I want a laptop capable of gaming, which the M15x is. Every bit of portability available is a must.

 

Until It gets over 8 hours of battery life(I have done it), It wont be as good as the old one.
Yes the new one has a better screen and stronger case. But think about what a 15 inch notebook is. It should be portable 9lb(too heavy), have good battery life (i7 is horrid with this). The m260gtx is disappointing.
If they put a nivida 9400SLI which is possible, then it would have been ok.

 

What is a 9400 SLI?

And how can you call it disappointing before anyone has given it a thorough review?

 

Stealth Mode


copy and paste from M15x page
While in Stealth Mode, discrete graphics cards are turned off and the CPU and GPU are throttled back to achieve a 65W power limit and decrease noise. To engage Stealth Mode, simply use the Stealth Mode odometer, conveniently located above the keyboard with the touch-sensitive controls. If you are on the go and need to run on battery life alone, select Stealth Mode to reduce power consumption.

I dont buy the 9 pounds is to heavy to be portable complaints. If you want a notebook with a powerful processor and graphics it needs to be thick and be a certain weight at the present level of hardware development.

Some buyers want only one computer and want a good combination of portability and power--you have to make compromises on one or the other depending on your priorities.

 

It would be if it had one 4870. i would go for it if i didnt have an M17x already

 

There was massive excitement concerning the M15x, until we read the specs..we started to become skeptical

-No RGBLED option
Visual fidelity is more important to gamers than most realize..

-1 GPU
Which is fine, portability....but a 15" is not exactly that portable at 9lbs, and almost as thick as the M17x

-Better GPU's available on the market

-No discrete option (unless I am mistaken)

-Portability
At basically the thickness of the M17x..and the weight of 9lbs..yet losing half the performance, there's really not much reason to get this over its older brother.

 

No excitement because all the m17x owners are jealous, and all the old m15x owners are too busy trying to figure out a way to scam AW for the new m15x.

 

jealous? I just reordered and could have easily bought the M15x.

 

tbh i think its a let down

esp compared with the new clevo

 

Everyone saying 4870 should subtract 10.

 

It's a bit of a let down for me.

It's only slightly smaller than an m17x but you lose too much to make it worthwile.

you lose:
- dual GPUs
- Numpad
- HDMI out
- Secondary Hard drive

The difference in size and wieght when compared to an M17x is just 0.1"H*1.1"W*0.51D" and ~3 lbs. If i7 makes a HUGE difference, maybe I'd pick this, but it seems more like a no brainer to go for the larger M17x. Also, Sagers new system seems to give you a lot more as well as maintain a smaller 15" footprint.

 

Looking at that video, the M15x is much slimmer. I know the dimesions don't show it, but look at the lid (thanks to the LED display).

And I would say 3lbs lighter is quite a bit of difference as well.

 

Im anxious for Sleey0 to get his machine to hear some real unbiased impressions .. Atleast he is excited for it and he also has an M17x to truly compare the size differences first hand .

 

Why, thank you quad.

I am excited! And I will not be too biased. If the system sucks, you guys will know (trust me).

 

If it had a smartbay I would of considered getting it.

 

Which video are you refering to? The one I saw was some Euopean guy manhanding both the M15x and M17x like they were Macbook Airs.

Also, if you consider getting the 9 cell battery wouldn't that add more significant weight?

Either way, I hope you enjoy the laptop man. I personally can't wait to hear what you think about it when it arrives.

 

Yes, the nbjournal video.

Look real close when it's closed and when he opens the lid. A lot of the M17x's chunk is the lid. lol

I hope I like it too, but my new laser printer hasn't been used lately and it might feel the need to print a return label

 

Well at least we didnt have the 12 inch discussion yet
Sorry couldnt resist

 

Lol you gotta love the fact the only reason you own a printer is for Return Labels ....

 

LOL you guys can be funny you know that.