Sorry guys but I didn't followed this thread for a bit. Do you also need correct EDID values for research?
I can post valid SEC5448 Samsung 184HT values if you want. You mad need this if you got your M18xR1 display destroyed and want to fix bad EDID. Sorry if this is useless
Code:[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\DISPLAY\SEC5448\5&18a51dcd&8&UID1048848\Device Parameters] "EDID"=hex:00,ff,ff,ff,ff,ff,ff,00,4c,a3,48,54,00,00,00,00,00,14,01,04,90,29,\ 17,78,0a,c8,95,9e,57,54,92,26,0f,50,54,00,00,00,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,01,\ 01,01,01,01,01,01,01,29,36,80,a0,70,38,1f,40,18,10,25,00,99,e6,10,00,00,1a,\ 1c,24,80,a0,70,38,1f,40,18,10,25,00,99,e6,10,00,00,1a,00,00,00,fe,00,48,47,\ 54,33,4a,80,31,38,34,48,54,0a,20,00,00,00,00,00,00,41,01,9e,00,00,00,00,02,\ 01,0a,20,20,00,a8
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Started up my computer now. Had to turn off my pc 2 times after boot due to black screen after startup. Pretty hopeless. Trying your solution now @Robbo99999 Post a picture of settings. Are these correct?
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. If EMI is correct, then power-on/boot-time is most critical and a more gentle boot process would alleviate that.
Though it is identical to the SEC5448 in the 7z, there's multiple variants of the same PnP ids in existence. With every edid posted, the data can be more accurately matched to specific panels. There's also the safety of your own system/lcd to consider; it's ok now, but if at one time you extract edid and checksum has failed then it's time to take action.
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ok i have been watching this for a while, gotten scared a few times and almost went back to windows 7 but then saw people talking about it still happening so figured if i might already be screwed then might as well stay where i am. i am running an M17X R4, aftermarket 680m 4gb (my 675 blew a cap a year ago) with i think its bios A10 unlocked. now i have not rebooted in 14 days (windows doesnt seem to want to install updates on its own for some reason but im not going to force it) but i used the web edid parser and with monifo it says my LGD02DA is valid (got invalid once but most likely due to edid not formatted correctly for the webpage). ill include my moninfo txt file for anyone that would like to examine it.
a few other notes that might help with identifying the problem, i am still running optimus mode (intel is still enabled). i always had brightness control from the start (and keep it at 60%, under 7 i ran 80%). had to enable discreet graphics after windows finished installing some drivers (it did install nvidia but then after a reboot they were gone) then use DDU to uninstall what windows put in then reinstall the 355.30 driver (i think, and no modded driver, have updated to 355.60 when it came out) but i deselected 3d vision since i dont have one. i also have a very limited nvidia control panel (has only 3 options). this is most likely more information than is useful but figured i would at least give a few more points that might help.Attached Files:
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If it helps...here's my EDID from my Alienware 18. 780m SLI running 355.60 drivers and Windows 10 Pro x64
I extracted it using CRU, so don't know if it worked properly.Attached Files:
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, has your 18 been affected by this EDID "bug" or is windows 10 working fine for you?
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Alienware 18 - 4930MX - 780m SLI - Windows 10 Pro x64
Alienware M18xR2 - 3920XM - 680m SLI - Windows 10 Pro x64
Alienware 17 - 4900MQ - 780m - Windows 10 Pro x64
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few weeks ago I saw on the nvidia forum that people's displays were being broken from a possible nvidia driver/windows 10 combo do you think it is possible this is the reason why yesterday my display in this laptop crapped out? I have had no problems with the laptop and now the display is totally gone/broken its very upsetting. Just thought I would shoot you a message and see if it is happening in other laptops besides alienware, in my np9377sm-a I do have 980m's SLI so not sure if that has anything to do with it or not? So has anyone else reported this problem or is it only a problem with alienware because what happened to me sounds alot like what has happened to people with AW laptops...was getting weird blank screens skipping the boot screen or bios screen then would load windows freeze then restart and work okay and suddenly the screen just stopped working at all....I have filed for an RMA...I might go back to win8.1 for a while after this RMA is complete...
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Currently using a M17x r5 (?)
I7 4710mq
GTX 880M
This is what I got from Edid:
Vendor/Product Identification:
Monitor Name :
Monitor Serial Number :
Manufacturer Name : LGD
Product Id : 230A
Serial Number : 0
Week Of Manufacture : 0
Year Of Manufacture : 2010
EDIDVersion : V1.4
Number Of Extension Flag : 0
Display parameters:
Video Input Definition : Digital Signal
DFP1X Compatible Interface : False
Max Horizontal Image Size : 380 mm
Max Vertical Image Size : 210 mm
Max Display Size : 17,1 Inches
Power Management and Features:
Standby : Not Supported
Suspend : Not Supported
ActiveOff : Not Supported
Video Input : 1
sRGB Default ColorSpace : False
Default GTF : Not Supported
Prefered Timing Mode : True
Gamma/Color and Etablished Timings:
Display Gamma : 2,2
Red : x = 0,64 - y = 0,335
Green : x = 0,32 - y = 0,63
Blue : x = 0,15 - y = 0,06
White : x = 0,313 - y = 0,329
Etablished Timings :
Display Type : RGB Color Display
Standard Timing:
Preferred Detailed Timing:
Pixel Clock : 140 Mhz
Horizontal Active : 1920 pixels
Horizontal Blanking : 176 pixels
Horizontal Sync Offset : 48 pixels
Horizontal Sync Pulse Width : 32 pixels
Horizontal Border : 0 pixels
Horizontal Size : 382 mm
Vertical Active : 1080 lines
Vertical Blanking : 33 lines
Vertical Sync Offset : 3 lines
Vertical Sync Pulse Width : 5 lines
Vertical Border : 0 lines
Vertical Size : 215 mm
Input Type : Digital Separate
Interlaced : False
VerticalPolarity : False
HorizontalPolarity : False
Detailed Timing #2:
Pixel Clock : 140 Mhz
Horizontal Active : 1920 pixels
Horizontal Blanking : 176 pixels
Horizontal Sync Offset : 48 pixels
Horizontal Sync Pulse Width : 32 pixels
Horizontal Border : 0 pixels
Horizontal Size : 382 mm
Vertical Active : 1080 lines
Vertical Blanking : 33 lines
Vertical Sync Offset : 3 lines
Vertical Sync Pulse Width : 5 lines
Vertical Border : 0 lines
Vertical Size : 215 mm
Input Type : Digital Separate
Interlaced : False
VerticalPolarity : False
HorizontalPolarity : False
Monitor Range Limit:
Maximum Vertical Frequency : 0 Hz
Minimum Vertical Frequency : 0 Hz
Maximum Horizontal Frequency : 0 KHz
Minimum Horizontal Frequency : 0 KHz
Maximum Pixel Clock : 0 MHz
Stereo Display:
Stereo Display : Normal display (no stereo)
RAW Data:
0x00 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 30 E4 DA 02 00 00 00 00
0x10 00 14 01 04 90 26 15 78 0A F1 95 A3 55 52 A1 26
0x20 0F 50 54 00 00 00 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
0x30 01 01 01 01 01 01 B0 36 80 B0 70 38 21 40 30 20
0x40 35 00 7E D7 10 00 00 18 B0 36 80 B0 70 38 21 40
0x50 30 20 35 00 7E D7 10 00 00 18 00 00 00 FE 00 4B
0x60 36 50 4A 31 80 31 37 33 57 46 31 0A 00 00 00 00
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PS: Got Windows 10 and 355.60 nvidia drivers installed...should I got back to 8 you say? :/
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@Mr. Fox Sorry I am editing this post because for some reason it will not let me message your/start a convo with you it says you aren't available, anyways I was wondering if you had a email address for anyone at Nvidia or MS that I should email about this maybe if enough people bug them and email them they will fix this!? thanksLast edited: Aug 31, 2015 -
@Brent R. you're the second Clevo report I have seen, so other than what I linked for you, no. It's not limited to SLI. Their could be failures we haven't seen posted in our community. It does, in fact, seem limited to systems with NVIDIA GPUs and Windows 10 having been installed seems to be where almost everyone's problems first begin. Yes, yours and @ajc9988 Clevo failures have some very similar attributes... close enough, being they are serious display-related problems, to suggest the "issues" are not limited strictly to Alienware laptops even if the symptoms are not precisely identical.
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So Win 10 seems to be the common culprit... I have an uptime of 4 days and 17 hours right now and I've gotten no issues in any games or with overclocks or anything with 355.60, but I'm on Win 8.1 and I have none of the Win 10 updates installed. If I see a single crash I'll instantly go back to 353.06 which I know is stable.
@Brent R. have you been using the 120Hz panel or the LVDS panel?
I want to find out some things CLEARLY:
1 - Has there been *ANY* instances of a 120Hz or otherwise-eDP panel being killed? I have only seen LVDS (which is common). Ajc has the P770ZM, so unless he got it from Eurocom with the IPS panel, he's using LVDS.
2 - Has there been ANY instances of any machines who have *NEVER* touched Windows 10 getting their screen EDIDs corrupted?
3 - Has ANYONE managed to get back a screen into an affected laptop and NOT touch Windows 10 at all but simply switch to Win 7 or 8 and STILL have the screen die on these newer drivers? I.E. is the problem BIOS-deep, and Win 10 alters the sBIOS in such a way that the screen EDIDs can be corrupted without a fresh BIOS flash regardless of OS as long as it happened once before?t456 likes this. -
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Have some in this forum asked xoticpc reps about the screen problems? Maybe they know a little bit of this huge problem?
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1 - yes, one Alienware M17xR4 owned by @andrewsi2012
2 - none that we have identified conclusively, but one or two that appear to have been fully updated and Windows 10 ready may have
3 - anyone willing to run newer GeForce drivers after having to replace their LCD is stinking nuts to do so until we have proof of the cause and fix
I am no longer risking damage to my Clevo P570WM (or my identity being stolen) by running Windows 10. As far as how deep Windows 10 goes with its digital cancer, I'd say clear down to the bone. During Windows 10 setup, at every automated reboot my P570WM opened to the BIOS main menu without my intervention. I had to press F4 to save and exit the BIOS for Setup to continue. I installed Windows 10 with my CPU using my customized default settings with the CPU overclocked and overvolted. After Windows Setup completed, it happened a number of times when Windows 10 decided that it did not like my CPU overclocks. It had NEVER done that before Windows 10 and has NEVER done it again since I eliminated Windows 10. So, you decide... I think it is demonic behavior, and as a matter of principle I don't want the Micro$haft Nazis messing around with my life, my computer or anything else. They totally suck as a company and I now hold nothing except contempt for them.
- Flash your system BIOS
- Flash your video BIOS
- Diskpart clean, then secure erase the drive Windows 10 was installed on
- Avoid using any GeForce driver version that was available for Windows 10, but most especially 353.62 or newer
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This is a very critical point. If Windows 10 touching a system is the catalyst, then while nVidia's drivers may be at fault for doing something they shouldn't, Microsoft is more at fault for building an OS capable of modifying a system BIOS on its own. Not every system has had issues, as there's another user just a page or two ago who said all his Alienwares are working fine, so even if I sit forever and never encounter problems until this system gives up the goat in 2018 or something, it might just be luck. Your Clevo hasn't shown a single inkling of dying either, and if I'm not mistaken you're also on a 60Hz LVDS panel. If it's BIOS level catalyzed by Win 10, then your P570WM is in the strike zone.
I wholeheartedly agree. I'm basically asking for an out-of-pocket blood sacrifice here when I couldn't even pay to get a new screen shipped directly to me myself, far less ask someone to sacrifice a new screen. But this is a critical point of testing that we need to pass, and apparently nVidia is more incompetent than we.
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My Clevo had little signs (as already mentioned) that had me worried it might be at risk of being damaged. The display was brighter than it ever had been with Windows 7 or 8.1, and display scaling frequently changed from 100% to 120% without my intervention; and, both of those were symptoms I noticed with my M18xR2 and 18 before their LCD panels died. -
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Until the media runs a story on this; we are likely to get nowhere and look more & more like dogs chasing our own tails. Without people being informed of this on a much larger scale; we will never know just how many have been affected. Even if we manage to discover a reasonably 'easy going fix' - that would only solve 30% of the problem here. Until we wake up and take legal action, we will always be defeated & allow these big corporations to just take a dump on us. Channeling our energy in the correct direction (outside the box) can prove to be far more affective & useful.
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The problem is, other than Intellectual Property, the W10 EULA prevents law suits. You would need a lawyer willing to fight that battle first.
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Unless somewhere in the Windows 10 ToS it specifies it can have access to and modify your firmware without your consent OR KNOWLEDGE, then MS isn't safe from this.Mr. Fox likes this. -
https://weigoba.wordpress.com/2015/08/18/windows-10-eula-cant-sue-except-for-ip/
Edit; They are not saying no to compensation but to make it individually and quietly go away.
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We just need to reach a clear conclusion as to who is responsible for this, Nvidia with their drivers, or Microsoft with their OS. One of them wrote code that destroys personal property. Intentional or not, is irrelevant. Compensation for damage caused is mandatory along with an apology. I could care less about fixing their mess for them, my concern is more so with making sure they don't do it again to anyone and also that anti-virus companies can come up with affective monitoring software that will safe guard our firmware from any future corruption. Media exposure (after narrowing down exactly who is responsible --MS or Nvidia) will get us on the right track.
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What version of the NVIDIA drivers is the best? I'm on 353.62 with no issues, should I update to 355.80?
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Hahahhahaha oh god, this is great. Microsoft made everybody agree that they could do ANYTHING that doesn't endanger intellectual properties and never be sued.
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You have entered into a contract to settle all issues by a federal civil arbiter. This would be brought to a judge who would then, per your contract, drop the suit and refer you to your contractual compliance. This then could be appealed but that is the rub. How much time and effort to overcome this along with expense and the over all possibility you may not even get to a suit.
The idea again is to make a public suit tough if not impossible, to just have it go away as quiet as possible. They are not denying compensation just the manner of how it is to be determined. Keeping this in a legal private federal arbitration procedure but do not count on an apology though.
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The Win 10 EULA only mentions "Class Actions" and only in USA.
Micro$haft probably bought a few hundred lobbyist in Washington and got that pushed through.
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http://forum.techinferno.com/nvidia...-driver-support-modded-inf-70.html#post143122
NVIDIA's Windows driver version 355.78 (released 8-22-15) provides beta support for VR developers using Oculus 0.7 SDK.
It provides a bug fix for an intermittent issue found in the publicly released 355.60 Game Ready driver as well as solving an issue with incorrect display timings.
I was under impression nvidia fixed whatever was causing EDID corruption from earlier 355.xx drivers with 355.78 version and that all the fixes were also present in 355.83. This is not the case apparently since 355.83 on Windows 8.1 update 1 still killed the screen.ajc9988 likes this. -
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*** Windows 10 + NVIDIA WHQL Drivers are Killing Alienware and Clevo LCD Panels ***
Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Mr. Fox, Aug 1, 2015.