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    *** Windows 10 + NVIDIA WHQL Drivers are Killing Alienware and Clevo LCD Panels ***

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Mr. Fox, Aug 1, 2015.

  1. PC GAMER

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    oh okay thanks :)
     
  2. thegh0sts

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    not sure if to try 355.83 or 355.82. :p
     
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    355.83 Fixed a bug specific to older GPU’s with < 4 display heads
    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=402037

    355.83 - Do you have an Oculus Rift headset?
    https://developer.nvidia.com/oculus-07-sdk-driver-support

    355.82 - This release fixed hangs I was getting in MGSV
    http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/90496

    The latest GeForce Game Ready driver, release 355.82 WHQL, ensures you'll have the best possible gaming experience for Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain and Mad Max.
     
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    That's the thing: j95 hasn't made any modded infs for that driver for win 7/8.1.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
  5. PC GAMER

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    355.82 being the latest makes more sense :p
     
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    I can't install it anyway without the modded files.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
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    Rolled back from 355.82 as far too many TDR's on W10 - thanks Nvidia!, keep up the good work!
     
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    is windows 10 working fine for you?
     
  9. thegh0sts

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    I don't have many issues with playing MGSV with the 353.38 hotfix drivers. The fps goes between 58-60 which is not noticeable.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
  10. hmscott

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    thegh0sts, I had 355.60 and got messed up stops/freezes in MGSV on Windows 8.1. When I did a Custom=>Clean Install of the 355.82 release on Windows 8.1, I haven't had a problem with MGSV since.
     
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    steviejones133, you didn't "roll back" far enough, go back to Windows 8.1, 355.82 and MGSV work great together, 355.60 didn't work for me with MGSV in Windows 8.1.
     
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    ok, J95 made the modded infs for the 355.82 drivers for win 8.1 so will do an install and see.
     
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    FYI - GFE optimized game settings for MGSV may turn on DSR if your GPU setup can support it, MGSV is supposed to be a light demand game perfect for enabling DSR:

    GFE sets DSR for MGS V.JPG
     
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    i don't have GFE installed.
     
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    Here's the Monitor Asset Manager dump for my panel. - running 8.1.
     

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    On the whole, it seemed to be......

    Not really bothered with MGSV or Win 8.1 - I'm just trying out W10 to see how buggy it is.
     
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    steviejones133, I wasn't including MGSV as a reason, sorry was responding to a bunch of posts, I meant rollback from Windows 10 - because it is Windows 10 :)
     
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    355.82 installed: time to test :p
     
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    No worries, yeah - I hear what you're saying about W10, but if I were to roll back my OS, it certainly wouldn't be to W8.1 - it'd be 7 Ult. Still, gotta try these things out or get left in the stone age of computing, right?
     
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    i would go to 7 if it had better UEFI support to let me use 120hz panels with a 980M.
     
  21. hmscott

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    steviejones133, IDK, I have pretty much decided letting Windows 10 on to any hardware, networks, work / personal in my control would be a breach of my fiduciary responsibility :)
     
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    so long as it's not 10 i don't care. if you're running with a 980M +120hz panel then you have no choice but to go with 8.1
     
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    Better to have a working system with an obsolete OS than a dead one running a new OS.

    I've had a gut full of Micro$haft and all of their garbage. But, NVIDIA's Linux drivers are really bad, LOL. [ LINK] Don't know how SteamOS is going to fix that... seems like a pretty steep hill to climb, but at least my hardware won't get destroyed by Windows 10 or GeForce drivers optimized for Windows 10.

    [parsehtml]<iframe class="imgur-album" width="100%" height="800" frameborder="0" src="//imgur.com/a/OBGeX/embed"></iframe>[/parsehtml]
     
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    I have been meaning to install the new Ubuntu on my GT72, want to see how well mobile g-sync works in linux
     
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    hmmm...what would i need to run linux mint?
     
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    Just download a distro and you're set. Use Rufus or Unetbootin to make a bootable USB stick from ISO. I'm not very impressed as an overclocker or gamer, but for anything else it's a really decent OS. I've always liked Mint the best and have tried a number of distros over the years... Mint looks awesome (close to Windows UI aesthetically) and it's as user friendly as Ubuntu. See posts #213 and #216 for some of my learning experiences. Sorry for getting off-topic... Fox, you're a hypocrite. *slaps own wrist*
     
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    so it should be ok even though i am running a 120hz panel? at least i don't have to worry about optimus.
     
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    Should be fine. I expect it will work a lot better on a system with only one GPU. Optimus and SLI are both messed up on Linux.

    I would be shocked if it works at all... GeForce drivers for Linux have almost no special features and minimal configuration options that I can see... barebones all the way.
     
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    ok!
    if only i didn't need the adobe creative suite.
     
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    Dual boot and keep the Adobe. That's what I'm doing. Press F12 and select my mSATA from the list for Linux or boot normally for Windows 7. If you're into benching or gaming, Linux is not a full replacement for Windows IMHO. Well, for Windows 10 it is, but not for 7 or 8.
     
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    thegh0sts, Adobe Creative Suite is one of the longest and most requested products from Adobe, please feel free to join the community and make your voice heard.

    Produce Creative Suite for Linux (first thread is closed, 2nd thread is still taking posts)
    https://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/produce_creative_suite_for_linux
    https://getsatisfaction.com/adobe/topics/creative_suite_for_linux_thread_2
    https://getsatisfaction.com/adobe

    It may happen eventually :)
     
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    What are you talking about? 120hz works with Windows 7... I have used both on my Clevo...
     
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    if it's a non-stock 980M - which mine is.
     
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    Due to modded driver requirements or is it something to do with Alienware machines specifically? I guess it doesn't matter for the purposes of this particular topic.

    @Mr. Fox nVidia drivers have always been like that... I remember when they didn't even come with the control panel and you had to find and install that yourself to get any control at all... I also was never able to figure out how to change the refresh rate to 120hz so I'm betting that it doesn't even have support for that... I didn't do a whole lot of work. No SLI is a big issue for me.
     
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    anyone want to relieve me of my uninstalled AUO panel?
     
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    I'm really surprised you have no takers. I would but I have an m18x R1 and if I remember correctly that's for an m17 model right?
     
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    You can use modded inf from laptopvideo2go. You use Firefox (other browsers don't save the page in the right format) to click on the modified inf for your driver, and the 'Save Page As' - this saves the modded inf file to your PC - you then drag this file into the Display Driver folder from the extracted NVidia Driver files - run the setup program - sorted!
    Here's the link to the latest inf file:
    http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/infs/355series/35580_win10x64/nv_dispi.inf
    I'm using that inf file for 355.82 driver (even though that inf file is for 355.80), it works well. (Note that the link is for Win10 64 bit, other inf files available at that website)

    P.S. Sorry, just realised this is an off topic post!
     
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    Okay so just played MGSV ( driver 352.86) and I have to say I am impressed, the level of optimisation is extraordinarily good. Only thing is it's locked at 60fps. My fps averages around 50. It does hit 60fps in less demanding areas though. Temps are perfect too, GPU: 75 degrees under load, CPU:68 degrees under load. So far so good. Mad max on the other hand isn't so great, 65-80fps with temps reaching the mid 80s. With Sli, I can easily reach 140-150fps while still maintaining <80 degrees but for this I'll need to update my driver.
    @hmscott , have you experienced any TDRs or wreird crashes with the driver? Have you reverted back to windows 8.1 from 10? If yes, are you windows 10 ready?
     
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    With 353.38 and 355.82 my 980M barely hits 60C, usually stays below 55C even though my 980M is overclocked. My FPS is between 58-60 which is unnoticeable unless you had an fps counter on.

    Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
     
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    Thanks, you have an older revision than the others. This wasn't an ex-Dell, was it?

    [​IMG]

    Yours is on the left; has the original (and actual) panel nr. (LTN173HT02-P01), whereas everyone else's has a Dell inventory number. Have you ever had 3D running? Or on the system this panel was from?

    Second difference is that the colour coordinates of yours are a rough draft, by using the newer values you'd likely get a better image. Try ' Device Manager -> Monitor -> Driver update -> Browse ... -> Choose ...' and select this inf:

    SEC5044_eDP_dd_2012.inf

    Gods, no! Not CC!!! That's almost as evil as 10 ... lobby for CS6, instead :vbtongue: .
    Sure, I'd like it for testing.

    Can't break it on an AW, but could screw up it's edid and see what happens on a Clevo system, see if that'll POST even if the edid is corrupt. If so, then that'd explain why it's pretty much Dell-only so far; other brands could be affected, only they won't notice much (until it's too late). Can also check whether its eeprom is properly protected against unintended writes.
     
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    Right now out of the blue my Laptop boots into windows with corrupted black screen unless I uninstall Nvidia drivers in safe mode and then login windows normally. Any time I try to install the drivers the PC won't boot into windows. So since it only boots driver-less it would be safe to assume that the GPU is dead/dying.

    I called DELL and they are sending me a new GPU/heatsink and hopefully that fixes the problem. Now the question is, could W10 be the reason behind this ?
     
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    Hi,
    short story with my Problem on Clevo P771ZM-GSync with LG edp Display LP173WF4-SPD1.

    I buyed the P771ZM-G Sync without OS. I installed Win8.1 but without UEFI Setup in Bios and NVidia 353.30 Driver.
    Some Times i become the black screen on startup. shutting laptop off the power button.and after i start it up again,it boots in like 4 seconds,a s if it was in sleep.
    On startup i see every time "resume from Hibernation"

    I upgradet to Win10 with NVidia Driver 355.60 and have the same problem again from time to time.
    I read with the damaged Alienware Notebooks and i go back to Win8.1.
    BUT...

    This Time i make a new clean install with Win8.1 and now with UEFI install but the same NVidia 353.30 Driver.
    And now my Problem is gone. No blackscreen and no "resume from hibernation" since last 7 Days o_O

    I checked my RAW Data with "Monitor Asset Manager" and there are ok with www.edidreader.com
    " valid Checksume: TRUE"

    Code:
    Monitor
      Manufacturer............. LG Display
      Plug and Play ID......... LGD046C
      Data string.............. LP173WF4-SPD1
      Serial number............ n/a
      Manufacture date......... 2014, ISO week 0
      Filter driver............ None
      -------------------------
      EDID revision............ 1.4
      Input signal type........ Digital (DisplayPort)
      Color bit depth.......... 6 bits per primary color
      Color encoding formats... RGB 4:4:4, YCrCb 4:4:4
      Screen size.............. 380 x 210 mm (17,1 in)
      Power management......... Not supported
      Extension blocs.......... None
      -------------------------
      DDC/CI................... Not supported
    
    Color characteristics
      Default color space...... Non-sRGB
      Display gamma............ 2,20
      Red chromaticity......... Rx 0,637 - Ry 0,348
      Green chromaticity....... Gx 0,334 - Gy 0,628
      Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0,154 - By 0,050
      White point (default).... Wx 0,313 - Wy 0,329
      Additional descriptors... None
    
    Timing characteristics
      Range limits............. Not available
      GTF standard............. Not supported
      Additional descriptors... None
      Preferred timing......... Yes
      Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 75Hz (16:9)
        Modeline............... "1920x1080" 173,320 1920 1968 2000 2080 1080 1083 1088 1111 +hsync -vsync
    
    Standard timings supported
    
    Report information
      Date generated........... 03.09.2015
      Software revision........ 2.90.0.1000
      Data source.............. Real-time 0x0100
      Operating system......... 6.2.9200.2
    
    Raw data
      00,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,FF,00,30,E4,6C,04,00,00,00,00,00,18,01,04,95,26,15,78,0A,0B,B5,A3,59,55,A0,27,
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    Here is my .inf that i maked with Monitor Asset Manager.
     

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  45. hmscott

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    PCGamer, I guess you aren't reading the other Windows 10 threads...

    Windows 10 is full of privacy violations that MS has you Agree to to install Windows 10, and since I wouldn't sign a document agreeing to the Privacy Violations in the Windows 10 EULA, giving up my Freedom as defined in the American Constitution and our Bill of Rights, I also won't be agreeing to the MS EULA to give up same Freedom's just to run Microsoft Windows 10.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...grade-disable-telemetry.780476/#post-10082630
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/why-i-dont-like-windows-10.779540/
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/so-windows-10-or-look-for-windows-7.780688/#post-10080170
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-is-so-rude.780744/#post-10081628
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...o-windows-7-8-8-1.780489/page-2#post-10075136
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/where-to-go-from-here.779561/

    So no, I am not Windows 10 "ready", nor have I been under the watchful eye of Windows 10 and reverted to Windows 8.1. I am running Windows 8.1.

    Nvidia came out with a driver update for MGSV and MadMax, 355.82, and until I updated to it, I was getting freezes and stops in MGSV:
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-pc-version-topic.766764/page-5#post-10080486

    Hopefully when you get back on Windows 8.1, and are running 355.82, the problems will stop, and your frame rate will go up to 60 and stay there.

    Please let us know how that works out for you :)
     
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    Thanks, I'll definitely keep you updated. Still debating whether to install the latest drivers or not but since people aren't experiencing so many issues with them, I might take the plunge and see how it goes. I was using windows 10 since build 10130. I have since then reverted back to windows 8.1 with no updates whatsoever. Wasn't experiencing any issues during my time of using the killer lcd OS though, may just be luck. May I know what rig you have? :)
     
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    PC GAMER, yeah, I was on the Windows 10 Insider program too, until I saw the EULA...

    ET phone Home, my ass ;)

    Just ran across these new Spy Sticks:

    Check out Asus’ gorgeous and very affordable Windows 10 computer-on-a-stick
    http://bgr.com/2015/09/02/asus-vivostick-windows-10-computer-on-stick/

    It was bad enough getting infections from USB thumb drives (the microcode in them), now we have to watch for plugged in USB Computer's running Windows 10 Keylogging Spyware Server

    You can always rollback from 355.82, but I haven't had any problems. I am using the Geforce Experience app as well, using the game optimizations tool/profiles, so far so good.

    Have fun :)
     
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    @hmscott , sweet, the technical preview of windows 10 had its quirks but overall was a pretty good OS. Definitely much better than 8.1 but still miles away from win7 ultimate. it appears that the issue causing the LCD to burn wasn't present in the technical preview but rather in the final build. Do you have an Alienware too, if yes, what GPU does it have?
    @thegh0sts it's really hot where I currently live ( above 29 degrees) plus I am still running the stock thermal paste. When the ambient temp is lower, my 880ms rarely hit 70 degrees even with Sli on, they stay at an average of 63-68 degrees under load. So an overclocked 980m is getting 58-60fps, my 45-55 is not too shabby then. Great thing about the 980m is the headroom for overclocking though. Also you mentioned that you need a modded driver as the ones from nvidia don't work for you. May I know why and what differences do they have? Thanks
     
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    PC GAMER, I wouldn't get too caught up in the Windows 10 > 8.1 < 7.

    The OS's are all serving the same files, networks, and basic services.

    Windows 10 doesn't provide anything you can't get in Windows 8.1 - Windows 7 x64, for most people they couldn't care less.

    If Microsoft wants DX12 to be still born, they won't port it to Windows 8/7.

    I for one am not giving up what they ask, just for better frame rates.

    Missed your earlier question, my rig is an MSI GT80 SLI-263, and that came with Windows 8.1 :)

    t456, that's what the man asked for :)

    I am sure if he looks around he will find similar requests for Adobe to port every desirable app they make/made to Linux.
     
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    No 3D. My AW17 came with the AUO panel + 780M. I upgraded the GPU first before the panel so I never used 3D and I have no intent to do so (the 120Hz and no optimus is the reasons why i bought the 120Hz panel).

    EDIT: Mine never came with the IR emitter needed for 3D.

    I bought this panel from laptopscreen.com, anything before me purchasing the panel from them I do not know, so i don't know if it was ex-Dell reflashed with an older EDID. it came in a new condition with a screen protector, no residue marks around the pins that connect to the cable.

    I'll give the inf a try when i get home.

    If you're ok with paying for the postage :)

    I'll PM you further.
     
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