Wow...M15x is NOT overpriced in Europe!

I have to say, this is a suprise. I just configured one and for the base 1.6GHz Core i7, a 260M, 4GB of RAM, 320GB hard drive and a 9 cell battery, it's only £1,447. That's bloody impressive, considering the M17x starts at £1,699 with a single 260M...

I have to say, I'd actually be willing to trade my M17 in (if it was possible... ) for one of those. Even if it only has the base i7, seeming as benchmarks have put the 1.73GHz i7 alongside a QX9300.

 

Jaysus...i still feel like we get totally screwed in europe for machines. 1400 sterling is...over 1500 euros. its still a lot of cash

 

It's still a couple of hundred Euros cheaper than the M17X, even with a stronger processor and same GPU (single 260M).

 

I think the price is completely comparable to the price of the previous M15x and, therefore, slightly overpriced.
Just to have a quick comparison of two comparable laptops:

Clevo W860CU
Chassis - :: G860 Black/Silver 1
Screen - :: 15.6" 1600x900 HD+ X-Glass 1
Processor - :: Intel® Core i7 820QM Quad Core Processor 1.73GHz 8MB Cache 1
Video Card - :: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 280M 1GB GDDR3 1
Memory 1 - :: 4GB DDR3 PC3-10600 1333Mhz CAS9 2x 2GB DIMMs 1
Hard Drive - :: 500GB 7,200rpm SATA-II with 16MB Cache
Operating system 1 - :: Windows Vista Home Premium SP2 32-bit With Free Windows 7 Upgrade Voucher! 1
Optical Device 1 - :: 8x DVD±R/W 1
Bluetooth - :: Bluetooth V2.0 Module 1
7 in 1 card reader - :: 7 in 1 card reader 1
Keyboard - :: English UK 1
Soundcard - :: Integrated High Definition Audio 1
Warranty - :: 2 Year - European Collect & Return 1
Subtotal £1,390.56
VAT £208.58
Total £1,599.14

M15x
Alienware M15x Cosmic Black 301197 1 [210-29861] 1
Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 820QM (1.73Ghz, 8MB L3 cache) 301237 1 [213-10943] 146
Genuine Windows Vista SP1™ Home Premium (64 BIT) - English 302306 1 [619-18981] 11
2 Year Premium Warranty Support 203832 1 [754-11566] 30
15.6-inch Wide HD+ (1600 x 900) WLED display 301233 1 [230-11112] 760
4096MB 1333MHz Dual Channel DDR3 SDRAM [2x2048] 254756 1 [370-15259] 3
500GB (7,200rpm) Serial ATA Hard Drive 301232 1 [400-18460] 8
1GB NVIDIA® GeForce™ GTX260M graphics card 301243 1 [490-11722] 6
DVD+/-RW (DVD, CD read and write) Slot Load Drive 301241 1 [429-14427] 16
6-cell 56Whr Lithium Ion battery 301225 1 [451-11153] 112
Dell Wireless 370 Bluetooth Module 301244 1 [555-12578] 59
Intel® WiFi Link 5300 a/g/n Wireless LAN card 301246 1 [555-12580] 19
Total £1956

So, for the same specs, we are talking about £350 more for the Dellienware. And, on top of that, it only has the 260 GTX.
I think that the big problem is how they completely overpriced the CPUs. Dell steals £400 to update to the 820QM, whereas Kobalt charges £128... shocking, if you ask me!

 

exactly. the base price is ok, but the individual components are so darn expensive! for ie. 920XM is charged 890 Pounds dell compared to 480 Pounds from Kobalt.

 

Yeah but the clevo is a clevo... it looks like a plastic brick.

 

I just noticed that the 1920x1080 full HD without WLED configuration on Dell UK website is just 20 pounds more expensive than the original 1600x900 with WLED. And dell UK does not offer the full HD with WLED to customers while dell US does. Unfortunately, I am living in the UK now so which one is better in your opinion ?

 

And this is the reason I would pick the Alienware every time,it may not be AllPowerfull,but you can't deny it does stand out in a crowd.

 

Superiority Complex much?

 

Hello,

As I saw that newsletter I only want to see that m15x. It looks amazing, but I have only one question. They still produced notebooks with only cheap plastic or they user magnes or aliminium? What about the hinges? As I have m15x I can said only one think - THIS IS THEY BIG MISTAKE!

Best regards,
Largo-W

 

Not really...
In the end of the day, it all comes out to what you like the best.
For me, the lights are the big problem. And these are just the major factor for most of the people that buy AW. So... that's ok.
In the end of the day, the W860CU is cheaper, better and it actually looks great. The M15x looks great as well...

 

Hey, milcs, you should change your siggy. It's not M15x, but the m15x that you are referring to. It's misleading.

 

I hafta agree, the Clevo looks like a dull, boring pile of plastic....

 

Sometimes thats better In the UK I think Id rather have something that looks more plain as its less likely to get stolen! Perhaps crazy, but I'd rather be pragmatic. I only went for skullcap over ripley as it offers more protection seemingly for the screen, or I would have gone for the more professional ripley lid; which, in all honestly looks more similar to the Clevo than Alienwares newer offerings.

Beyond not looking like a block, aesthetics arent my primary interest in a laptop

 

Did his sniping little post get pulled or something? Don't insult my intelligence because I perceive something to be ugly. Trust me I've looked at and considered buying a sager but every time I go to configure one I think to myself there’s no way I’m spending two grand on this ugly @$$ laptop. Don’t insult my intelligence because I don't like the fact that you can't visually differentiate your $2500 clevo from a bargain basement POS.

 

im not really convinced at paying 4-500 Pounds premium for AW's really good looking case and lightings. if it's within 200 Pounds, i'll opt for AW in a heart beat. but doubled that price.. even dull looking plastic brick seems acceptable. i am quite disappointed with AW UK for jacking up the price overnight and blood sucking on component upgrades. 890 Pounds for 920XM??? Kobalt only charges 445 Pounds for the same thing! and it's not even overclockable on the M15x. all the waiting for the M15x turns out to be quite a major disappointment.

 

I've looked at at getting a Sager myself many times. Guess what? To get the same specs on the Sager that I have on my M17x actually costs me slightly more than I paid for mine. So....not only do I get a laptop that kicks , it looks freaking awesome, and to top it off, its cheaper than the butt-ugly Clevo....


Alexrose1uk, yes there's always the possibility of being robbed. But it is not me to not buy nice expensive stuff out of abject fear of somebody going to steal it from me.....

 

Just being realistic, flashy stuff is a bigger target, I would rather my kit doesnt scream $$$ steal me. I just prefer a more basic, professional look. In the UK AW is typically much more expensive, so is just a small contributing factor not the major one, I guess my prior post doesnt make that clear
In the UK just upgrading to SLI 280m costs almost $1000!

My last post was meant to just suggest I prefer things like a laptop to be subtle than showy.

 

i agree..lot of the new notebooks has that cheap plastic look to them..just go to best buy or frys and look at em....that is why sony stands out from the crowd,,,they have not totally went plastic....dells look awful....would not buy one, i have the insprion 1520...though older, it looks like a sturdy laptop. i have hardly used mine...10 hours on it.....i don,t like the way dell is going, replaced there top end desktops and notebooks with alienwarel., dell cannot build high end systems anymore...and you cannot hardly configure anything ,,,,forced to accept what they offer.

 

No, in fact I deleted it. I've been here for a long time to understand that there is no intelligent reasoning coming from a discussion with someone with your lines of reasoning. So, I thought it made no sense...

In the end of the day, the W860CU is lighter, smaller, cheaper and packs a bigger punch for your bucks. And that's a FACT, no partial interpretation about looks and lights and cheesiness. Be happy and enjoy your new laptop.

 

I've never been afraid to buy something because I thought it may get stolen. Is crime really that bad where you are? Where I am you dont even have to lock your car doors. Hasn't been a theft in my neighborhood since I moved here years ago.
Milcs you're way off base if you think the Sager is that much cheaper. I go build a Clevo 8690 at Xoticpc with the exact same specs and the 2 yr warranty I bought and the final price is $2151. Add tax and shipping and Id say about $2300. What Did I pay? $2374 total. The difference in price is nominal so I'd say its a null point. If the clevo was say $500 cheaper I could live with the ugly/plain/generic case. All I'm saying is you obviously hold a grude because of the problems you had with the m15x just look at your sig. Apparently you didn't think aw were ugly when you bought that.

 

If they are basically the same price then why are we arguing here? Alienware has done something right for once. Their prices are actually reasonable. Let's focus on that. Beauty and Ugliness are purely subjective. You can argue forever on those topics...

 

That's exactly the point... in EUROPE, the M15x IS overpriced, contrarily to what the what the title of this topic says. So yes, let's try and be objective and focus on the facts we have at hand.

 

don't insult other people's taste.
some people like me just prefer a black box like a thinkpad to a sony vaio.

 

Alienware is, and always has been more expensive in Europe; we know AW is cheaper in the US. However, as it stands AW is much more expensive over here. To give you an example. If I buy a Clevo M980nu from Kobalt they will charge me £266 (a little under $500) to upgrade to a second GTX280 from the base unit price, taking the unit to just under £2000 (the Alienware starts at 1699, roughly the same as the Clevo, but has LOWER base specs).
Alienware will charge me £590 ($1000) to move to GTX280 SLI.

Thats kinda the point; over here, we cannot get amazing spec machines from Alienware at the same price as you; we get charged much higher base prices. IIRC your M17x base price is $1699. Ours is equivalent to $2720. Then Alienware charge more for upgrades than other providers, and thier aftercare in europe is poor.

Our base price for the M15x is £1199 aka $1900, throw in overpriced upgrades (I820 is £410/$650 from UK AW whereas Kobalt charge £128/$205 for the same upgrade) and I can see completely where milcs argument is coming from. Admittedly the starting price for Clevo's machine is slightly more expensive (£100), but it has much much cheaper upgrade costs, which almost instantly where away any advantage the M15x may have had, hell would save almost £200 getting the I820 with the Kobalt, even WITH the higher starting cost.

That is why we're talking about Europe, its a completely different market place, with completely different pricing to the US.

RE: Theft, it's not THAT bad, but the UK is a much smaller place; so we do have to lock doors etc, we dont have the same space as the US so you tend to find large spots of higher population, and the more people you find in one place the more chance there is stuff can happen, plus there is a large chav population [ok stereotyping but to some extent true] who like to absorb benefits; do very little, respect very little and care only about themselves. It's not that bad where I live, but I have had family members cars broken into for empty laptop cases, friends mugged (attempted) for Ipods etc.

I prefer a more understated, sleek look, the fact that the Clevo presents that to me more than a current Alienware isn't a slight against the AW, just I like my hardware to be well built, and reasonably subtle as a personal taste, and I prefer the look of some of the Clevo to the new AW depending on mood. The fact its cheaper over here for the same spec, a little more subtle means Id be more likely to go for a Clevo than an AW now; aesthetics are one of my last concerns when it comes to a laptop, as Im after power.
The simple fact its less flashy meaning it doesnt stand out as much, making it less of a target, is just a bonus.

 

Uh, actually, there are a huge number of options you can configure with both the M15x and M17x, like, just about everything.
It is retail laptops you are stuck with what they have out....

 

Yeah I know what you mean....in some places America, they will kill you to steal your shoes....

 

Sounds fun, if I go to America on holiday again, will remember to try and avoid those

 

I completely agree. component upgrades are totally OVERPRICED in EU/UK. one more example is how much AW charge for 920XM (890 Pounds) compared to kobalt (445 pounds). that's doubled the price! and read, it's in POUNDS, not us dollar! that's a lot of money for the same thing! my end configuration with 920XM, GTX 260M, 500GB, 1080p LCD, 4GB RAM, ends up being a solid 5-600 Pounds more expensive than what kobalt has to offer with the same (or better GTX280M specs). i totally love AW design and built quality, but 5-600 Pounds for that? u can buy a fully functional decent laptop with that amount of money.

 

Praise the lord... there are still people that can be reasonable in these boards and make it for a productive discussion. Cheers for that guys.

 

Yea AW is overpriced in europe

Dell is overpriced in europe ...(hint for new systems ?)

I agree there is a point where the features like aluminum and lights and design are just not worth the price. ( which IS the case in europe and i strongly advide to go Sager from kobalt or some one

 

Moo is right. It's not only AW, but also Dell that is a rip off. They offer you a product that is (at first sight) really cheap, but then you upgrade the CPU, RAM and HDD and there you have the price rocketing up. Europe is really bad for tech... everything is generally more expensive than in other continents.

In any case, you can find companies that are fairer in how much they charge for upgrades. Kobalt being one of them. Also, if people have some knowledge of hardware, they might try to buy RAM, CPUs and even GPUs from different retailers and install it themselves. Thats is, by far, the best way to build a powerful laptop with the least money.

 

The only reason I bought from AW is the spec was a steal, and I upgraded the CPU, RAM and HDD myself, especially as AW through me in Bluray after a price drop. Even with the 4870s, I would find it incredibly hard to justify the M17x, as it would likely cost double my M17, and about 50% more than a Clevo

 

Wow, I didn't expect my thread to last this long.

Anyway, on topic. Now I look at it-looking at other laptops-while the base price of the M15x is relatively low, the upgrade costs are obscenely high, at least where the processor is concerned.

However, the M15x is still nowhere near as overpriced as the M17x is in Europe. Like I said in my first post, you can get a very solid configuration for less than the M17x's base price in Europe.

 

I dunno My M17 can be considered a piece of plastic junk i suppose, but I like that.

The M17x is, uhhh, slightly heavy, has a yucky magnetic lid, opens awkwardly and well I don't like how flashy it is.

When I go out and bring my laptop with me I want to blend in, I don't like pulling out what looks like belongs on the outside of a Vegas casino. That's just not me, so the ugly plastic you are referring to just happens to be just right for me and others who don't enjoy sticking out like a sore thumb.

 

its not as overpriced

but it is far from well priced

and considering you save £400 AND get a 280 over the 260

the clevo is a no brainer imo

 

We have discussed this issue enough at this point and the thread is not going anywhere, therefore it is closed. Anyone that didn't get a question answered or whatever, feel free to start a new thread.

Based on your comments in this thread, I certainly would not count you among that group. And FYI, there have always been people here capable of having a productive discussion. Every thread I go into seems to have them.
You took trolling to the next level in this thread by insulting other members. Impossible to resist trolling this forum, isn't it?

Enjoy the week off. Use your imagination to figure out what will happen if you come back and start the same business.