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    XP SP3 with SLI 7950/8700?

    Discussion in 'Alienware' started by Nirvana, Mar 27, 2008.

  1. Nirvana

    Nirvana Notebook Prophet

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    anyone got any idea if there would be a performance gain? I heard 7950GTX SLI is 20% faster from somewhere.
     
  2. Sir Travis D

    Sir Travis D Notebook Deity

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    Nirvana Notebook Prophet

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    are you drunk? lol :p
    1st: 8800m GTX SLI.... 12162
    2nd: 8800m GTX.......... 9134
    3rd: 8700m GT............. 8164
    4th: 8800m GTS............7808
    5th: 7950 GTX SLI.........6982

    same order for 3dmark05/06
     
  4. Greg

    Greg Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Honestly? NotebookCheck is unreliable as they often use questionable or inconsistent benchmark settings.
     
  5. redrazor11

    redrazor11 Formerly waterwizard11

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    yea, they don't describe the drivers, or the operating system (sp1, 2, 3?!?!), so theres not much to those numbers...
     
  6. Nirvana

    Nirvana Notebook Prophet

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    but it still kinda funny of what Travis said, 7950GTX SLI second place? how about 8800m GTX SLI and single 8800m GTX?
     
  7. themanwithsauce

    themanwithsauce Notebook Evangelist

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    Well he is correct...if talking about 3dmark03 :D

    But really, the performance gain is most certainly not 20%T over aother card setup. There might be across the board increases but it will not magically turn the 7950gtx sli into such a superpower. If they got a gain, the 8800 had to get some boost as well. And that measn the 8800gtx sli...now utterly trashes everything else. That is, if any of this is true :p

    Benchmark postings please!
     
  8. Sir Travis D

    Sir Travis D Notebook Deity

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    Are you BLIND??? I'm not talking about 3dmark i'm talking about performance. If you restrict the search to real benchmarks, the 7950sli got 330fps on fear, and the 8800msli got 120
     
  9. Nirvana

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    it still doesn't explain the statement you've made, "the 7950's got 2nd place and the 8700's got 8th". if you were talking about F.E.A.R benchmark, 8700m GT SLI will have min 479 and max 56, while 7950 GTX SLI only got min 336 and max 126. therefore 8700 GTX SLI is faster than 7950 GTX SLI by using your way of measurement. the second statement "the 7950sli got 330fps on fear, and the 8800msli got 120", are you suggesting 7950 SLI is 3 times faster than 8800m SLI?
    obviously you just went to the web site and looked straight at the positions of the card, and I am afraid to tell you that they are the positions of row, not performance.
    for anyone else, i know that web site is inaccurate, and i just wanna know if there's a improvement on SP3. Thank you
     
  10. Frag

    Frag Notebook Consultant

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    I have been using SP3 RC2 for a couple of weeks now and have a gain of about 10-15% in most applications. The gains are across the board not just in games. As always your mileage may vary.
     
  11. GaMeRxD

    GaMeRxD Notebook Evangelist

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    That list is pretty inaccurate ....do u think its just newest card to oldest in order?
     
  12. themanwithsauce

    themanwithsauce Notebook Evangelist

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    I think Sir Travis just wants to feel better about having 7950s instead of 8800s. But looking at the performance "increase" sp1 gave vista, I highly doubt that sp3 for xp will give a noticeable increase.

    After looking online, the only news articles state that sp3 increased speed for office applications by around 10%. Nowhere have I been able to find anything concrete relating to gaming performance. What might change is how xp interacts with video card drives. If nvidia releases new drivers to work better with sp3 then we should see noticeable performance gains. But all gains will be because of the driver itself. The OS merely gets more stable and faster at handling cpu-based tasks such as word processing and spreadsheets. One also has to wonder what hardware this was tested on. If it was tested on a barebones business computer I don't think we'd see as much of an increase on a high-end gaming rig. The OS has more power to work with, efficient or not. Sheer brute force is what lets me use vista for gaming :p
     
  13. Sir Travis D

    Sir Travis D Notebook Deity

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    I want to feel better about myself? read the page idiot
    I could have got a better computer with an 8800 for less than 1600 but I wanted the looks

    you dont have to say things like "Well he is correct...if talking about 3dmark03 :)" and "I think Sir Travis just wants to feel better about having 7950s instead of 8800s" if this was so "inaccurate", why are respected members of this forum posting this link to others? I am helping by posting benchmarks that others have told me to look at. If that is a crime, tell other people

    and themanwithsauce, xp is an out of date operating system. People on this forum say insulting things to me like "that 1600 dollar computer is out dated because it is a year old" so a 5 year operating system is out of date - why would you want better performance with something out of date?
     
  14. derred

    derred Notebook Consultant

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    slow down there Travis, no need to call other people idiot.

    I don't think specifically u want to feel good having 7950s instead of others but without looking back to ur posts I do notice you post something like "m9750 won't be obselete in 4 years" and stuff like that.
     
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    ioaniro Notebook Evangelist

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    Just looked at the list and to me it seems inaccurate as well. I mean not wanting to defend anybody but with the current drivers everyone that tested SLI 8700 vs SLI 9750s said that the SLI 9750 are way better (with no dx10 but still). Also these guys don't post anything of how the tests were done, at least we should see if they were done all on the same settings and res, my guess is3dmark score was from tdefault settings while games score was on different settings for different cards.
     
  16. GaMeRxD

    GaMeRxD Notebook Evangelist

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    XP is a more balanced OS....well since we have windows vista SP1 now, i guess people would be trying out vista... however, u cannot compare that to us saying your alienware is obsolete, it's like 2 generations behind the current processors...and it is overpriced ...not to offend u or anything, but u were paying for the looks

    u mean the 7950SLI?...o.o....
     
  17. ioaniro

    ioaniro Notebook Evangelist

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    ups, my bad, read 7950 ;)
     
  18. Nirvana

    Nirvana Notebook Prophet

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    no need to start a fight here gentlemen, let's get back to the topic, shall we?
     
  19. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    my single gets more than 2 7950's.
     
  20. GaMeRxD

    GaMeRxD Notebook Evangelist

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    so did they put an actual release date for this xp sp3?
     
  21. Nirvana

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    i think it's next week
     
  22. Stone825

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    Okay let me clear this up for everyone right now. Here is the list.

    1. m8800GTX SLi
    2. m8800GTX
    3. 7950GTX SLi
    4. 8700GT SLi
    5. 7950GTX
    6. 8700GT

    That is the correct list. Trust me guys I have looked at benchmarks of multiple games and the 7950GTX is quicker than the 8700GT. A big reason behind this is the 256 (64 x 4) vs. 128 (64 x 2) bus.
     
  23. GaMeRxD

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    wheres the 8800GTS suppose to go? between the 7950gtx sli and the m880gtx?
     
  24. Stone825

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    Whoops I forgot about that. Umm all that I know is that the 8800GTS is slower than the 7950GTX if the game supports SLi.
     
  25. Levenly

    Levenly Grappling Deity

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    so, is xp3 going to add new features other than the network security?
     
  26. MiniKissKool

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    I reach 8700-8800pts (depend on drivers) in 3DM06, with SLI activated...
     
  27. Frag

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    I would say that a single 8800m vs SLI 7950's is a tie as it is game dependent on which setup is faster.
     
  28. Stone825

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    Yea I really do think it is game dependent. If you had equal setups in 3dmark06 (except for the GPU) I think the scores would be pretty similar. A lot of the benchmarks for the 8800m GTX use a quicker processor, more ram, and a quicker hard drive which all play into the final result.
     
  29. Phritz

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    Notebookcheck is as reliable as it's sources, the final number is just an average of the results they've taknen from other pages, if you go to the 7950GTX page look:
    TL-60|2048 MB|1024MB | 4994
    T7400|2048 MB|1024MB | 7472
    T7600|2048 MB|1024MB | 8480

    TL-60? Wtf, sounds like they posted an m9700 (since the TL-60 is AMD) result which is dragging the average down (it's 2x 7900GS's)

    Not sayin Notebookcheck is reliable, but I am saying to double check, and don't read whatever is shown to you right away, do some research before claiming things. Notebookcheck isn't completely useless, because apart from that 4994 result (which is btw, less than even a single 7950GTX gets) the results seem pretty normal, in fact, that 7472 result was Chaz's result. And he, and we don't know why it was so low compard to others results, which have trended to be:

    2.0GHz | 8400-8500
    2.16GHz | 8500-8600
    2.33GHz | 8600-8700

    From all the benchmarks, results claims etc.:

    8800GTX = 7950GTX SLi in SLi compatible games, the 7950GTX SLi loses out a bit in on SLi optimized games, but then again, most of the "big" games are optimized
    7950GTX > 8700mGT in high resolutions and less shader intensive games (the difference is even bigger in SLi)
    8700mGT > 7950GTX in low resolutions and more shader intensive games, but the "advantage" the 8700mGT has with more shading power isn't as great since it's still limited by its bus.
     
  30. Stone825

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    @Phritz - I'm a fanatic of getting my laptop to run as quick as possible. With that said, I have only managed to get a 7800 in 3dmark06 with this setup. I'll try again with the new drivers + whatnot. I think that 5400rpm vs. 7200rpm also plays a part in the result if they calculate it (not sure if they do).
     
  31. Nirvana

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    @Phritz, I think it's the processor, didn't someone able to get 9.1K with OC?