so - where is AW with all the new goodies ??

just wondering if anybody has any ideas as to why AW did not step up and get in the new releases such as clevo has? aside from the posibility that clevo just beat em to it....

ideas?

 

it's been discussed umpteen times why AW isn't putting montevina into their notebooks. they just wanted to be the first with 8800m in a 15.4" model, so they couldn't wait for montevina.

 

yeah - but i was wondering aside from that why they are not 'in the game' per se such as the new clevo release....
while it is still open to debate as far as speed, heat, and other issues it just seems bizarre that AW was not with it.
maybe a black 15 is actually in the works with the new stuff....(ok hopeful and yet doubtful, but one can attempt to wish.... )

 

You have to take a look @ AW history to understand that AW does not have the bleeding edge technology in a reasonable time frame.

Take a look @ the m17x it is a Santa Rosa base system. Dell already have the same technology, since last year (XPS 1730) and AW is just releasing the m17x.

They are just TOOO SLOW to keep up with the technology.

 

after finding these forums and chking out the posts - i have to agree if not to at least acknowledge that which i was not aware of before...
its a sad day....

 

to add....

it is sad as AW had the two features that got me to look at them and books in general more than i had before.
those were the smart bay and the integrated GPU - both awesome backups and additions to the already great portability of a laptop....
but if they can not keep up with the likes of clevo for up to date products, they will lose more than they have already of the market...but then again, the name has a place in the pc world....

 

lol heard of the edit button ryujin?

jks

 

well i think AW does a bit more testing on their systems (didnt really work out with the m15x) but they usually release the top of the line technology... you talk about the 1730 which i believe was a rushed job since it didnt come out with the 8800 gpus and the x9000 extreme processors im not just an alienware fanboy but i think you need to cut them some slack since they do usually come out with the latest technology when the cpus and gpus which can fully use the technology so hopefully you understand that there is more than just coming out with the technology

 

I think it depends on the OEM department. Remember alienware dont make the laptops they take OEM products and then add there slogan and sell it as Alienware.

 

yup that too and well alienware has alot of form factors made just for itself. such as the 8800 GTXs and the chassis are made just for alienware so that takes a bit of time to master and have it planned out properly

 

Try again check Clevo Sugar laptops. Haha that funny some say they will have the 8800 some say 9800 in Clevo.

 

Ahh found the facts. Here a clevio rebanded to Pro Star

http://pro-star.com/index.cfm?mainpage=productdetail&model=9194

nVIDIA Quadro FX 1600M w/512MB
nVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTX w/512MB
Dual nVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTX

 

... what?
Also, you know the final specs on the new Clevos were posted today so there's no more speculation.

 

did you mean clevo sager laptops? and what about them? they have the nvidia form factor 8800GTXs inside it. the xps 1730 also has its own form factor for the 8800GTXs because you cant move that card from system to system and sager saves money by using whats available and building the laptops in clevo chassises but alienware makes there money by being unique and they do a pretty damn good job at that.

 

I was answering omaryunus on the 8800 gtx was made just for Alienware and Looking at Laptops like Pro star they also have the 8800 gtx gpu. Well the way you wrote it you sounded like the 8800 gtx where just for alienware.

 

Ah, well the new NVIDIA 9xxx series is out on them as well. (See the Clevo M860TU and the refreshed M570RU [I forget the model number])

 

no i said the form factor inside the AW was made just for them as in 8800M GTX for AW has a DIFFERENT form factor than the one in the clevos. Clevos use the one that nvidia provides for them but both Alienware and Dell have designed their own 8800M GTX and thats what they use in their systems.

 

Where'd you get that information?

 

hmm well it seems i was wrong... (its happened) well it seems that sager and AW use the same form factor and what was different was the gpu cooling system but who had a different form factor was dell in the xps 1730 they have the SLI 8800M GTX on one pcb rather than two different:

 

Surely two separete cards is better in case failure.

If one blows, you can use the other but, if the twin version goes, you've lost both...

Just my 2p

Are Sager releasing a 17" gaming machine with Monty inside?

OB

 

Lol, of course.
See this thread

 

So... is it official? Are AW's new Flag laptops... already dead and buried?
After looking at all those new specs and pearls of technology... I can only say... Pitty on you AW. And poor of all the people that just got an AW.

 

not really. the m860tu still looks like (to quote the infamous British philosopher Clarksonius, 2008 A.D.) a boiled horse.

 

It's all really a matter of taste... but, it's more powerful, it has brushed aluminium lids and palm rests, it's lighter, it has barrel hinge system (I'm sure, decent, unlike the M15x).

Oh well... and I like the all black more. It's much more discrete. On top of that, any reseller will be able to do whatever paintjob you want on it (you can choose black, silver, green, purple, pink, etc, etc, etc, etc...).

So yes... I guess that the M15x has just left the building. (for me it has left a long time ago)!

 

While I think it's going too far to talk down to the AW consumers now that the M860TU has better specs and the AW only has it beat on battery life if you get the smartbay, or you don't know how to undervolt, it's also entirely a matter of taste to say that the M860TU looks like a "boiled horse."

I think it's very sleek and debonair in its looks, and its chassis is much more reassuring than the look of the m15x, but that's just my opinion.

 

is that from Top Gear?

its not like the m15x is completely obsolete now. i think you will notice around a 15% performance boost from the clevo. at least AW still can beat it in the battery life department and how the laptop looks.

 

exiled... regarding looks, go to Kobalt, XoticPC, Powernotebooks, etc...
All of them have a never ending ammount of different system costumizations that can even include your own graphics/designs. So I guess that, appart from the lights, the new Clevo has only reasons to laugh of the M15x.

Of course the M15x is not obsolete... but it's old and outdated.

 

the 9800M GT is basically a 8800M GTX. what i would wonder if it does produce less heat AW can give it to us as an upgrade or something.

the quadcore cpu is only worth it if you use cpu intensive task. most games cannot use 4 threads yet i believe.

 

you are correct exiled most games cannot use all 4 threads and hopefully AW will get the 9xxx series into their upgrades soon hopefully i can get 9800GT SLI for my m17x

 

very much so

quadcores in laptops don't make much sense yet. i mean, only like specialized stuff can utilize them (i dunno, CAD programs, that sort of stuff). they're more about bragging rights than anything else imho.

 

I looked at the Clevo on RJTech.. It said 7.5 lbs compared to the m15x's 7lbs - that's not lighter.. Well it's just a small amount anyways..

IMO the notebook ain't got much in the area of looks. I think a Black Skullcap would look much better (I know there has been no announcement of a Black m15x let alone a Black Skullcap but I got time anyways so it doesn't hurt to think ahead ) Even possibly 'debonair' as Miho put it, since the black would make the Skullcap lid stealth-like
I also don't like the slanting form of the Clevo - Guess I'm just odd.. Hehe
Battery life is important for me and as soon as I get the extra cash I'll be getting me a Smartbay Battery..

Oh I was wondering if the Clevo laptop has a backlit keyboard ? Didn't see it on RJTech, any other resellers offering a backlit keyboard as yet ?
The bottom looks like it's only got one fan & the back only one vent ( linky).. That true ?

 

yes the clevo only has 1 fan. but that is a pretty large fan so the cooling shouldnt be a problem i think. from those pics you should be able to guess theres no back lit keyboard.

for laptops with backlit keyboards i know the Studio 15, and m1730 has back lit keyboards. im not sure if the Studio 17 has back lit keyboard but if the studio 15 has it theres no reason the studio 17 wont.

 

Ahh.. Reviews in a week or two hmm ? Good

Yea, from the RJTech pics it looks like there isn't a backlit keyboard, my question was if any other reseller has an optional backlit keyboard available..
I'm curious for comparison sake only

 

i'm actually mildly concerned by that. them 15x is already hard to cool, but with only one fan they want to cool the m860tu? i know it's got montevina etc, but still...

which is why the m17x has a light pipe, just like the m15x. oh wait, no it doesn't.

 

i more then understand the business end of this and that there is usually more involved than meets the eye.
i was and am simply stating that AW is behind the 8 ball now. regardless of policies or further need for testing, AW has and will continue now to lose customers due to the inability of them to stay on top of the game.
not only from previous issues with the current systems (heat, hinge, etc..) but now they offer nothing to compete with other vendors.
poor business plans/strategy if you ask me. AW is a big coorporation and as such should be able to afford more then they currently do to 'keep up with the jones's' as it were.
while we wait to see if the new sagers and others have any heat related issues or other issues for that matter remains to be seen as it is a new product, but if you look at what you get for your money now compared to AW - to be honest - it is hands down NOT in AW's favor for sure.

 

I am starting to think that there some kind of AW hate on this forums... and a Sager/Clevo fanbiase...

First, i know a lot of clevo resellers here in Brazil and their notebooks sux as any other around here (except the apple ones). So mostly, the quality of your clevo will depend on the reseller you are buying. And with this topic about one of the sager/clevo resellers, you can at least say: ugly and bad, AW is a reliable seller, since you can find them when you got a problem (even Milcs agree with this one ;-)

Second, there is too much "it will be" on the m860 and no "it is here". Starting with the 9800GTX.

Third, spec. vise, the 9800GT isn´t superior OWNAGE MOTHAF... over the 8800GTX. 8 Gigas ram is useless if you don´t use Vista/Winxp 64 bits (beside, chipset support only 6.2GB). Real benefit are, on paper, the quadcore and the DDR3,(platform if you are a "self upgrader"). Maybe: heat control.

Real advantages, at moment, for a normal notebook user are: price, NOTHING ELSE. Xotic/PN really beat to death AW.

M15X has the biggest life battery for a notebook around and has a cool look, and that the Clevo hardly will beat.

 

I agree with AzalnRex.

 

i agree with Az as well, i was simply posting the reply to afford a better view as to why i started the thread.
i do agree that ANY purchase in ANY form for ANY product can and is sybject to a wide variety of complications or issues.
i still lean towards AW for the fact they have the smart bay and integrated graphics - that is hard to beat for the benefit they provide.
i was simply opening the floor to conversation as to why such a large corp as AW/Dell did not have an offering with the new products....
point: i do not have a bias against nor hate AW - i in fact have prefered the items/looks they offer, but at times you have to look at what others offer.
ie - the SSD 128G OCZ for the under $500.00 that Sager offers with the new book....kinda hard to beat....

peace out.

 

Though I can feel what you are talking about, the users who have been shafted, so to speak, by AW's poor products and poor CS (Roswell crew aside) have every right to be angry about their experience.
I am very much attracted to the m15x, but it's not at all fair that it's a gamble get a good machine! It's simply not, especially for the price you pay!
The dealbreaker for me was indeed the price of my configuration of the Clevo M860TU since I'm paying this out of pocket and I'm not some snobby rich kid that can afford to just throw money away.

However, besides that, the fact that Clevo products have an stable cooling history and are generally more reliable across the board are also what drew me to it.
I'd love to "gamble" on the m15x in the hopes that it would be a good machine, but as an incoming college student I can't afford to be out of a laptop for weeks or months on end while my laptop is sent back to the mothership.

There are certainly the fanboys that come in here, and I think they're entirely out of line in doing so, but one can't neglect that there's simply a more positive atmosphere in the Clevo forums. If there's ever an error, it's usually fixed very quickly.

Of course we should wait and see how the Clevos really do perform, but just as AW has their own reputation--warranted or not--for producing "quality" machines, so do Clevo/Sager. So don't marginalize the M860TU entirely.

 

dont forget all the problems m15x' have . and dont tell me 'alienware have fixed most of them'


and also, clevo kinda owns alienware in the price department

 

@ qaz333 - Nope they haven't fixed all of them, not the X9000 CPU problem or the creaking of the lid or the problem some people have with the wobbliness or the temps you can get on the 8800GTX when in heavy use.
From where I'm standing - I'm not getting the X9000, don't mind much of a wobble, am a little OCD and will take über good care of the lid & am not an intense & heavy gamer, so will be primarily using BinaryGFX + Stealth mode - I think the m15x is a better buy in which you get both features & looks. I am not one for being on the 'bleeding edge of technology' so the m15x will suffice just fine for me

I do hope however that Alienware get back on the problem-fixing as they did with the GPU downclocking, Keyboard Flex and GPU & Touchpad drivers (even though these took time in coming out)

 

I only think this forum is loosing it´s neutrality. Everything now tend to end: AW m15x sux, Clevo m860 owns. And the Clevo m860 didn't even came out.

And truth told, only place i found a lot of complaints about the AW was here. And many, in my opinion, are more "overreaction" more that anything else (mainly creacking, woobling). Not arguing that another bunch bought the m15x in mind they were buying a rock, as if a gaming notebook is like a "toshiba throw around notebook".

Of course,there are other problems that seem really serious (cpu downclock, chassis fail), but once again, how many m15x go out and how many have problems? We don't know for sure. Also, there is another fact: people without problem with the m15x tend not even care to post here. Or more, they don't even care to search reviews about it on the net.

You can´t judge a trader just because of one forum. If so, HP would have gone bankrupcy, since here in Brazil there was a mass motherboard fail on the pavilion dv series, not counting the Amazon PC (a clear clevo user Brazilian reseller) which is account for building a notebook that is made to work only for one year (warranty time).

Also excluding the fanboy/haters/liars/sellers factors which also exist on all internet discussion boards.

So i fail to see, for this moment, fairness with AW comparing the m15x with the "to be reviewed" clevo equivalent.

@AW CS
Ppl complain about AW CS, but let´s faced it: say one big company with better support, or without having a dissatisfied client?

Let´s face too, that most Clevo/Sager CS is based on the Resellers, and when one reseller disappears, who gets blamed for the faulty hardware? Clevo or the cheating reseller?

And buying ANY notebook online is a gamble.

 

this was not started as a 'bias' against AW.
most understand there hs to be a review of the clevo, the point of the topic was why is AW not with it in regards to the new cpu's/gpu's/etc...
as far as people posting good or bad - understand, most notebook owners prob do not even realize this forum exsits. maybe they post on other forums in place of this one.
if you have read any of my posts, i am still an AW fan due to a few things they offer over the competition, but to not be up to speed in certain areas just does not make sense for a 'top of the line' company.

 

Ryujin,

that's the point, it started out to find out what AW is going to do next, and how it ended? clevo 860 vs m15x.

If it is a valid comparison at this time.

 

i would say it is a valid comparison - since that is all we have to go against AW.
this new BRE3D thing here http://www.alienware.com/microsite/b...20080715_Breed (hope i did that right) is too gimmikie even for AW with all the hype around the new clevo and its new components...
i lost my train of though - does this make sense? lol

 

m860 will become valid once it is reviewed and hits the end users.

And even so, most won´t have the 8800GTX, mostly the 9800GT. So it will be hard to make a comparison about the two in heat control issue. Since the new platform is famous to have less energy consumption and so, a better heat control.

I too think this Breed is an bad choice to waste time after the arrive from the new platform and sager notebooks. But still, we need to stay fair.

In the long term, with the prices (especially the SSD ones) if AW doesn´t drop theirs, they will loose pretty much in end-user market.

 

true - those SSD prices are near highway robbery (if one were getting robbed that is...)
but for the capacity of them (128G) and at a price under $500 - WOW!

AW has to step up to the plate soon.

i agree we need to wait for a comparison, and agree that they will be hard pressed to make an equal one at that.

but they (and i would bet a months paychk on this) lost a good chunk of the player market in large part to the SSD....

 

August will be a busy month....

 

azalnrex, thnk you for all your unbiased and fair comments. they almost single handedly put me back on the alienware road.

ugh, keyboard lagging

+rep

 

Then you haven't been looking around very much.

http://www.google.com/search?q=alie...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://blog.alienwaresucks.com/

http://www.badsoftware.com/alienwaresucks/

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=7113

http://www.opentechsupport.net/forums/archive/topic/39582-1.html

http://digg.com/hardware/Alienware_Sucks (More user comments)

There's a plethora more, but you can search around for yourself.
The atmosphere in this forum is hardly a singular incident.