"9 out of 10 dollars spent on computers costing $1,000 and up went to Apple "

"9 out of 10 dollars spent on computers costing $1,000 and up went to Apple in the U.S. market, according to research company NPD"
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/apple-premium/

I know Apple is popular and doing well at the moment, but 9 out of 10? That sounds a bit too steep for me.

Sure Apple is strong in the high end market but Dell, Sony, Lenovo etc. sell high end laptops too.

What do you think?

 

Data is only from Bricks and mortar stores, so no Dell or online sales were included. So this figure is most likely inflated over the real value.
But still an interesting trend. I guess if your gonna spend $$$ you want to have something that is worth it, and consumers seem to think that apple has the upper hand in this department.

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they say apple has 91% of over 1000$ pc sales...up from last years 7-something...including online sales,that would be ~70 I guess!

 

I'm not following you.

 

sorry?

 

Most of the higher end PCs have to be bought online as cheaper PCs are predominately in stores. There are few high end models as those will not be sold as well as sub $1000 PCs. Also, basically all Apple PCs will be over $1000. There is no sub $1000 Apple PC ($999 does not count).

NPD does not factor in online sales and people who build their own PCs.

 

I dont know that doesnt seem believable. especially with the great gaming notebooks/notebooks in general at best buy. Well congrats if its true......

 

Were they talking about notebook or desktops or both?

 

The article made no distinction between notebooks and desktops. It just said "computers." Most of the sales probably came from notebooks though. Desktops are just not popular anymore.

 

Well, no need to congrat. us-we don't get any money from them...sadly

Also, don't forget that apple also does online sales... and mostly, not even on their own site!

here, take a look! http://gizmodo.com/5321332/if-you-buy-a-computer-that-costs-over-1000-its-probably-a-mac

 

Remember, its only personal sales, not business.

 

Still 9 out of 10 seems off to me...

 

It makes sense. What percentage of PCs at a brick and mortar are over a grand? A quadcore desktop with a 23" can be had for under a grand. The 13" and 15" XPS can be had for under a grand. At my local Best buy, probably the only laptops over a grand are an Asus and an Sony Vaios. The rest are all Apples.

The statistic highlights what percentage of retail sales are Apple computers.

It does not highlight whether a 1K + buyer would buy a PC or an Apple.

Edit: Didn't NPD put out a similiar report a few years ago?

 

Are we talking about profit? Cause I thought only about 30% of the sale actually goes to Apple's profits. If I weren't on crappy dialup I'd search for it.
But if you mean brick and mortar sales, I know that like 5 years ago one of my relatives worked for Fred Meyer, and she said Fred Meyer only made $1 for every PS2 sale, the rest went to Sony...

 

Checking Best Buy's website shows they offer 28 notebooks for $999 and up after you remove the online only models. 16 of the 28 are Apple systems or roughly 58%. Although for desktops the only 6 they list over $999 as available in store are all Apple. That would bump Apple up to about 79% of the over $999 systems available at Best Buy.

If Apple is actually selling the numbers quoted it is quite impressive since there are so many other options available in stores. Yes Best Buy is only one place where people buy computers but there are many B&M stores that do not even carry Apple computers and only sell PCs.

 

NPD also excludes prominent B&M stores like Walmart. How do you leave out Walmart?

 

Have you ever seen a high priced system at Walmart? The website shows 4 but none of them are available in store. I believe the reason Walmart isn't included is because they refuse to share the information.

 

o really???

have you seen this one?

Mac Mini, Starting at $599

 

I believe the statistic is pretty right...as others have noted, this does not include corporate/business sales, as well as online. Dell is completely non-retail, in that its done by phone and web (as far as I remembered...I believe those Dell kiosks can't sell); therefore they do not qualify for this rating at all. So in that sense, yes, absolutely Apple could sell 9 out of 10 $1000+ PCs in retail.

 

As Sam said, it looks like it might be true, but Dells do sell at Bestbuy too. The numbers still most likey inflated a good bit, and really doesn't mean anything at all. PCs can mostly be had for under a grand. Macs, almost always for above and beyond a grand. The result? Irrelevant.

 

Now that I think of it, probably 9 out of 10 dollars are spend on computers costing less than $1000. Possibly more.

 

Would think so. The average user only needs a typical computer that costs around 500-700.

 

average users buy netbooks... Apple sold around 2.5 million macs last quarter, so with average price of 1000+, and with average profit of 40% per unit, no surprise they had such impresive results

 

I disagree with your netbook statement. Average users want it around 15.4" and with an optical drive.

Anyway, so Apple overpricing the units gave them huge profit margins. 40% is a lot. That might explain it.

 

overpricing depends on unit and on how much you value certain things... for example- current 13" is 1200 and it would be very hard find comparable model with same spec,same BQ, screen with 74% color gamut, 7 hours of battery for considerably less. However,IMO their high end 17" models are hugely overpriced. And regarding "certain things"- f.e. for "John", OS X is just a sound, buy "Jack" might pay some money premium to use it...same goes to support, trackpad,etc. And lets not forget the brand factor- sadly, that also costs money.

 

I'm not sure if that's true at the moment.

Looking at the US Amazon.com bestsellers it seems like netbooks are being sold a lot more than 15" laptops.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav/189-6228149-4562443

In the European Top 10 netbooks also dominate:
Top-10 Artikel in Notebooks
1 ASUS Eee PC 1005HA-M schwarz
2 ASUS Eee PC 1000H schwarz (90OA0HB83311A38E121Q)
3 Acer Aspire 3810T-354G32N Timeline (LX.PCR0X.254)
4 Acer Extensa 5235-571G16N, Linux (LX.EDP0C.072)
5 ASUS Eee PC 1005HA-H schwarz
6 Lenovo IdeaPad S12, 1024MB, 160GB, Windows XP Home, 6 Zellen, schwarz (M19B2GE)
7 Acer TravelMate 6292-642G16N (LX.TG60C.036)
8 ASUS Eee PC 1101HA schwarz
9 Acer Aspire One A110L blau (LU.S030A.074)
10 ASUS Eee PC 1000HE schwarz (90OA17B22111A38E205Q)

 

Well Phil, you just proved me wrong.

 

Well those are only online numbers, but yeah it looks like you were wrong

 

Anyway, is this a good news? sure, it is good for Apple,inc. , but what about us?

 

My cousin is a hardcore Apple fanboy and it made him really happy.

 

did you ask him "why?" ?

 

Did not have to. He likes to collect news items that make Apple look good and send them to me

In return I send him stuff that makes Apple look bad. This is what we call friendship

 

hehe, when we are in close company of friends, you won't hear a single "good" word and would think that we are worst enemies- but we call that "nice friendly conversation" so who sends more staff?

 

he does, I don't really care that much.

But this 9 out of 10 dollars got me wondering if it was accurate.

 

its statistics. numbers can always be manipulated by changing variables etc. its why I find statistics, and benchmarks pretty much useless

 

Awesome, its not my money so I don't give a ****.


/begin rant

Why does Apple always post these annoying statistics that are obviously not true and on top of that Apple always make a big deal over small stuff like Palm syncing with iTunes or a Windows commercial quoting the wrong price of one of Apple's overpriced computers.

If they spent half that time actually trying to make their Macs worth the money then I would probably not have switched back to PC.

I challenge any Apple fan person to find a Macbook better than my Asus for the same price.

/end rant

 

Here we go with the whole fanboy stuff again. Why does almost every conversation on this forum eventually lead to a PC lover throwing a good conversation off course. It all comes down to what an individual's opinion of "better" is. I wouldn't switch back to a PC if you paid me right now and feel they are a better bargain even if they cost more. We could all argue for days, never agree and still both be right. Why bother?

 

1)who said this is from apple?
2)bc it is business, bot charity
3)proof that it actually happened?

 

well I'm currently a fangirl, but that is an impossible statement. "better" is 100% subjective. To me any current Macbook Pro is better than your Asus.

 

Better in a benchmark.

I had a Macbook Aluminum for 4 months and it was definitely better built and better looking than my Asus, but it came nowhere close in benchmarks, the best Macbook Pro might get 6,000 in 3dMark06, but my Asus easily breaks 10k. Macbooks are like Formula One cars with go-cart engines.

 

but what does that matter? Not everyone cares about benchmarks, as they do not evaluate the total value of a machine. If your wanting the best gaming performance out of a machine without regard to anything else about it, benchmarks help... the value of a benchmark to rate something is also 100% subjective. I'm sure to what you consider "better" in your opinion benchmarks count for a lot, but its not any type of proof for anything what-so-ever.

I'm just trying to point out, any comparison between any machine cannot be made and taken as a set in stone fact, because it depends on the actual user, and what that user finds important.

 

Then I guess the Asus would be a rusted out gremlin with a v8 engine tossed in. Sure its quicker but not very comfortable, stylish or worth a hill of beans if you decide to sell it. Its all subjective and getting way off topic. I sense a thread closing coming soon.

 

True, I see your point. Lets end this before it destroys this thread.

 

As others have noted, please return this thread to the original discussion of this latest study/report. I just wanted to note to cyclist14 though, my personal thoughts on the matter:

If we were really talking about benchmarks though, desktop computers would beat the scores for the same price. The counter-argument would be that desktop computer aren't mobile, which in turn would bring up the fact that the MacBooks would be lighter, more compact, thinner, etc. easier for mobile use. So the argument continues, and in the end its a personal choice and there's no right or wrong.

 

Your Asus would probably perform better. Any Macbook Pro will have higher contrast, better black levels and a wider color gamut.

It's a shame Asus uses average display panels, unlike Apple in the Pro line.

 

^battery life anyone?

 

I'd be interested to know who the top dog below 1K would be.

Probably Dell, Hp, or Toshiba

 

I would think Dell, to be honest.

 

top dog under 1k of retail sells? probably HP.. Dell wouldn't even be close, as hardly any of their sells are retail stores.

 

They sell most of their line at Bestbuy. This is even better now that Circuit City is gone. Besides, there are more HP $1,000 and over than Dells, from what I saw.