Addicted to Windows, but jealous of Leopard.

Money isn't an issue.

I've been a Windows fanboi for 12 years. Now I see my coworkers wipping out MBP's and the new OS is jaw dropping. I'd really like to make the switch but I'm scared.. fear of the unknown. Any of you ex-Windows fanboi's or fangal's who'd like to share their story? Tkx

 

What's so good about Leopard anyway? I am in a similar situation I suppose (although I am not really a windows fanboi, I just use it because it gets the job done )

Anyway, can someone please enlighten me on why Leopard is good?

 

Mainly a bunch of small additions from what I see. It's not a new OS, it's just a new version of it I guess.
Kind of like Windows service packs, except that Apple is actually adding new stuff...

The big things I know of are Spaces (like VirtualDesktops... been around in Linux/Unix for a LONG time) and Time Machine (new backup software). Theres other things as well, but those are the two biggest additions.

 

Don't let the hype and shiny flashy things pull you in.

I know it's hard, but Apple has great marketing and if you get a Mac for those reasons alone, depending on your uses for it, you might be disappointed after the honeymoon phase wears off. Although MBP's are nice notebooks that can do a lot and Leopard does look like a worthy upgrade, my advice would be to make sure that the combination of the two can fit your needs and if there are any areas it doesn't (ie, having to run Windows for some apps) then figure out how you might deal with it and if you can comfortably use whatever that method is day in and day out whether it's Boot Camp, virtualization, or some combination of those two.

Something I would really look at in your situation is *why* you would like to make the switch. Is it because you need to run some applications that are OS X only? Or is it mostly because of seeing other people using Leopard and what not? Mac's are not magic (although some of the marketing would have you think so ) as they have their own quirks and benefits just like a native PC does.

It all depends on what you use your computer for and going from there you can gauge whether a Mac will suit your needs better than a PC or vice versa.

:EDIT:
To add to some of the new things in Leopard, there have also been numerous system-level changes that help to make the OS faster/more responsive which is definitely a good thing.

 

I agree with UltraCow. Don't let all the new shiny things pull you in. The best thing would be to borrow a Mac from someone so you can test it out for a few days. If you can't do that the best option would be to go to the Apple Store and play around with Leopard. If you're happy with Windows, there's no reason to switch.

 

A Thread I started last month. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=173244 This comming from the biggest Windows Fan boy there was Cant stand it now. the sooner my Gaming PC breaks the better. I can then justify a Mac Pro.

 

Yea I used to love windows, and completely hated osx and mac. But after playing around with Tiger, I got addicted and eventually got my MBP. And I have no regrets at all about getting it.

I just find that it makes life a lot easier, and even though I could do everything in windows perfectly fine (I guess I was called a power user), since I switched to mac again everything is much easier.

I remember driver issues, and third party programs for bluetooth and wireless, with a mac everything is built into osx, and its a lot cleaner then windows.

I still go into windows often to game, and whenever I'm there I always feel as if I want to go back to OSX, even surfing the web is easier on the eyes it seems in OSX (I forget what its called but its nice either way).

So yea, OSX just made my life so much easier, even though I had no problems with windows, I don't think I'll be going back to a PC again, itll be MBP's or the equivalent whenever they change the name.

 

I'll have to agree with the above. Don't let the new and shiny things pull you in.

Leopard is very similar to Tiger - there are a few aesthetic upgrades and a few new functions built into the OS that we used to have to depend on 3rd-party software on, and a few innovations that can be convenient overall, but it's nothing revolutionary.

In short, basically what I'm saying is, if you like the OS itself, go for it - but if it's just because Leopard is so new and pretty--well, Tiger does nearly everything Leopard does and can look nearly the same as Leopard too. Don't let Apple sell you on the "300 new improvements" marketing gimmick. Do let them sell you on how good an OS it is overall though.

 

Here are all of Leopards 300 new features: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#ical

 

I'd say Leopard is a worthy improvement, but not revolutionary. Its worth upgrading to, but not really "Whoa, awesome!" like the iPhone was.

 

I was never a Windows fanboi, but I know it well. Mac OS + MBP is just an unbeatable combination. Don't think, just do it.

 

I actually had several transitions...I loved my iPod Nano, and naturally was impressed by the MBP...and then I went through a phase where I became slightly Mac-bashing, and now I'm neither a Mac fanboy or a Windows basher, just a Mac lover .

 

Since using my Macbook as my primary laptop, I've come to appreciate Windows more. OS X is great, to be sure. However, it has an unreal level of hype and groupthink around it. I've had more than one Mac user tell me that they'd had no problems with their Macs (ever), until I reminded them of the issues they were dealing with just days/weeks earlier.

In short, try not to be too excited. Check it out, of course. It's a good OS. Whether it's better than Windows for you or not is, despite forum opinion, completely specific to your situation.

 

I've been using Windows since 3.1 and before that DOS, I had Vista when I switched and the Mac just made my life easier in terms of having done my job faster, more reliable.

I love the fact that it never crashes my audio apps like Windows did. That means no projects lost.

I love the fact that I can still boot into Windows to play my 2-3 games I like to play.

I'm a happy switcher. But please make sure all your apps have a Mac equivalent or version before you switch, otherwise you'll just wanna go back to Windows to do your work, and just checking emails on a Mac doesn't justify switching

 

I had no need for the MBP and i had the itch so i just bought it.


I'm super happy I did too. I'm a tech freak with all sorts of gadets, so i'm no stranger to blowing money haha.

Get it! Or you'll always want it.

 

Chalk me up as another life long windows user (3.1-vista), who after switching 1 year ago is now preaching like SJ in a overly grotesque way to anyone that will listen!
Thanks to things like parallels and boot camp, switching is now such a none issue, just think of it as gaining OSX (and sexy looking hardware), without loosing XP (i'm a vista hater).
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I made the "switch" back in March of this year. The SuperDrive was bad out of the box, so my system ended up getting replaced thanks to the repair depot botching the repair and sending the system back in worse condition, twice, than it went out in both times.

Am I happy with the system? Its hard to say. It's small, its fast, it has great battery life, and the screen is awesome. OS X isn't nearly as problem free as Apple would have you believe. Just ask anyone, including myself, who installed the Safari 3 Beta and had it kill everything from MSN Messenger to iTunes, forcing a full reinstall of the OS.

OS X has some positive points. Installing software is a lot easier than Windows. iLife is nice, even though the only app that really gets any use is iPhoto.

The hardware is well designed and well built.

However, you have to ask yourself if its worth the cost for OS X.

For example, the MacBook with a DVD writer is $1299. For $1299 you get a Core 2 Duo 2.16GHz, 1GB of RAM, 120GB HDD, 13.3" 1280x800 screen, Intel GMA 950. For $1299 over at Dell you can get an Inspiron 1520 with a Core 2 Duo 2GHz (Santa Rosa, it IS faster than the 2.16GHz chip in the Mac), 2GB of RAM, 15.4" 1680x1050 screen, 256MB GeForce 8600M GT, DVD writer, etc. You can configure that system with XP or Vista. The MacBook also doesn't include expansion ports or a memory card reader. The Dell, of course, does. The Dell also offers HDMI output and is HDCP certified. The MacBook requires different adapters to be purchased to be connected to any external display.

One might argue that the battery life is better on the MacBook and they would be correct. It is. Dell gives you the option of a higher capacity battery if you need that. Even though the MacBook has better battery life, it gets so ridiculously hot that using it as a portable computer on your lap will be out of the question if you're browsing any websites that use Flash (including ads).

You have the MacBook Pro at $1,999. It has some nice features, like a backlit keyboard, ambient light sensor, it is thin. It has some downsides, like being all aluminum. For $1,999 you get those features, plus a 128MB GeForce 8600M GT, 1440x900 15.4" LED backlit screen, Core 2 Duo 2.2GHz (Santa Rosa), 2GB of RAM, 120GB HDD. It also has the smaller ExpressCard34 slot and no memory card reader. But for $1,899 you can head yourself over to newegg and pickup a Toshiba. That will come with a 2GHz Core 2 Duo (Santa Rosa), 2GB of RAM, full size ExpressCard slot, memory card reader, 17" screen, 240GB HDD space (2x120GB), 2x256MB GeForce 8600M GTs (SLI supported), HD-DVD drive that burns DVDs and CDs as well, HDCP certified HDMI out, etc.

So you really have to ask yourself what is more important... OS X and iLife (when you'll really only be using iTunes and maybe iPhoto).... or having good hardware?

At this point, I won't be buying a Mac again. Infact, not an hour goes by each day where I don't consider selling my MacBook. Why? Because the MacBook cost $1408 after taxes and offers no discreete graphics. There are no alternatives for certain pieces of software, like Nero, and DVD playback is an absolute joke, even in Leopard.

Apple has also made some other really bad PR moves lately. For example, forcing people to buy ringtones for their iPhone. I have an iPhone and that annoys me to no end. Even if I already own the song on CD, I have to buy the song from iTunes and then spend an additional 99 cents to make it a ringtone? No thanks. What if I want to make my own song in GarageBand and use that as a ringtone? Nope, can't do that either. Apple also went out of their way, according to the developers of iToner, to block "unauthorized" ringtones. The legality of Apple locking the iPhone to AT&T is also very questionable, considering it is legal under the DMCA to unlock your phone and Apple is (again) going out of their way to block unlocking through software and questionable sales practices (no longer accepting cash or giftcards for iPhone purchases). Theres also the whole situation with the iPod games. Spent a lot of money on iPod games for your 5G or 5.5G iPod? Just bought a new iPod nano and iPod classic because they can play games too? Oh sorry, you have to repurchase every single game for them to work on your new iPod. Yes this has affected me, and yes this has made me extremely bitter towards Apple. If I go and buy the games again, as they want me to, I'll have ended up spending $100 on stupid little games! I wouldn't have bought them if Apple had ever given any kind of hint that they would not be forwards compatible, prior to launching the games for the new iPods AFTER the new iPods were released.

Do I like OS X? Sure. It's a bit overrated. I initially spent most of my time in OS X. But after the "honeymoon" wore of, I realized I was spending more time in Windows than in OS X. Most of what I do requires me to use Windows.

Will I buy another Mac? Not until the prices are realistic. $1299 and no dedicated GPU? Every single iMac, including the $2,299 model using MOBILE parts instead of desktop components? No thanks.

I like OS X. But its not worth the premium. The MacBook is one of the few non-Sony PCs to cost more than $800 and not ship with a dedicated GPU. And you certainly shouldn't be getting a mid-range 128MB GPU with a $1,999 notebook.

As nice as OS X is, it just simply is not worth the extreme premium you'll pay over an equally, or better, spec'ed PC. As long as you run Windows Update and stay away from sites and files you know you shouldn't be messing with, XP and Vista are as stable and secure as you need a PC to be.

 

3.1? How'd you skip 95/98/2000/Me/XP completely?

 

Same feeling about the excessive price premium.
I have been thinking of getting a macbook pro for a while but the low screen resolution and pricey upgrades turned me off.
It got the style but need more substance and/or lower price.
With a recent price drop in Intel cpu prices, it have just got more expensive relatively.

 

Excuse the pun but your not comparing apples and apples here. A 17" beast is cheaper and easier to build than a very slim 15.4". IF you actually compare two laptops with similar form factors/weight/battery life then you will see that the prices are actually very close to each other, and in some cases the apple is actually a better buy, esp if you can get education discount. Take the ASUS w1/2 series and an apple mbp (15&17") almost identical in looks etc, and what would you know the price is just about the same. I'm kinda sick of these all these stupid comparisons which are completely flawed. There just isn't that much of a huge price difference anymore. And as for the iMac using laptop components, well it actually uses a standard 3.5" hdd so your wrong there. Further Gateway and Dell are now getting in on this "all in one" bandwagon too... so go speck out those machines and compare the prices, you'll find they ain't that much different. And if you want apple to come out cheaper then just add sony into the mix.
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ps I'm not suggesting that mac's are better than pc's just that the old argument of price is no longer vaild. Oh and last time I looked vista was around 3X the price of leopard, so how does that fit in your PC's are always cheaper argument.

 

Sauron, maybe you are right about the prices, especially when it comes to MacBook, but MBP is a great deal. I couldn't find a laptop with better screen on the market. I bought Dell M6300 (17" 1440x900) with a 4 year complete cover for the same money as I would pay for MBP 15" but so what if the screen there was crap? They market it to graphic designer but fit horrible LCDs.

I know that with Apple you pay a bit for buying a 'cool' factor, but on the
other hand, have a look on the build quality and screens.

Nobody should buy a Mac only because of Leopard but it is nice to have a new system that works faster, opposite, to new Vista that works slower. And after so many years guys from Microsoft say: "You know what? Our OS architecture is bad! We will start to build it over again.".

The problem is when people buy a Mac only to be a part of a 'cool' community.

In two months I will choose between HP and Apple. I hope I will be able
to compare it properly without getting too emotional.

And one more thing - with Apple you pay for details. Just compare a MBP adaptor to any other laptops' on the market. I am not even talking about a magnetic plug...

 

LOL @ taelrak

 

The argument of form factor is the flawed argument.

It's really the only way that people can justify the cost of the Mac. "Where else are you going to find a 1" thick 15.4" notebook!?"

Honestly, when does the system being 1" thick really matter? I would hope you're not going to throw a $1,999 notebook into a general backpack where space is limited (seeing as how easy the MBP dents and scratches), so you're going to be using a case that is designed for 15.4" notebooks.

The 1" thick design is also a drawback. Why? Heat. No matter what people say, Macs get HOT. I'm typing this on my Mac and I have no pages with flash open at the moment. Just typing this and talking to a friend. My CPU is idling at 140f/63c. If I put my hand under the desk, inch thick wood, I can FEEL the heat!

The "wedge" design of most PC notebooks is actually better. Why? Well, I can't think of a single one that doesn't have an intake fan on the bottom. That fan will draw the heat up and away from your legs and out the back through a vent. That extra .5" will also raise the CPU up just that much farther, and its not resting along the bottom of the case making the bottom of the case hot. The wedge design also fits the curve of your hand better if you are carrying it around by hand. It's easier to grip which means its less likely to be knocked out or slip out of your hand. The elevated design also is more natural for the keyboard, and it keeps rough edges like those on the MacBook and MBP from digging into your wrists.

And you do have to look at price realistically. Every PC manufacturer offers higher capacity batteries, some stick out the bottom while others don't. Those that do have the benefit of even better heat dissipation. Some people do want to have children some day you know

Anyway, back to price. No right minded average consumer is ever going to spend $1,999 on a notebook. Why? Because they're going to be listening to music, browsing the web, watching DVDs, etc. A $600 notebook from Best Buy will probably be "high end" for them. If you're going to spend $1,999 on a notebook, you fit in 3 categories. You either want a Mac, you're a gamer, or you're a business person.

If you're a business person, the MacBook Pro is not a good purchase for you. Why? Well, consider the MacBook "Pro" against business offerings from HP, Dell, etc. Nearly all of them offer STANDARD 3 year full service warranties comparable to AppleCare at no additional cost on their business notebooks. Second, they are built stronger than the MacBook Pro. The MBP is made of aluminum which dents and scratches too easily. A dent to the right spot on a MacBook Pro and you've got yourself a cracked motherboard, misaligned optical drive, etc.

Let's talk about warranty for a minute here. As I said, most major manufacturers offer full 3 year warranties on their business notebooks at no cost. Apple offers 1 year. AppleCare is only open for a few hours a day 5 days a week. With HP, for example, for $289 (AppleCare on the MBP is $349) you get 4 (yes FOUR) years of ON SITE support WITH accidental damage protection. On the consumer side, HP offers a 3 year extended warranty similar to AppleCare for the MacBook for a few bucks more. However, for about $60 more than AppleCare, you can get 3 years of accidental damage coverage on that extended warranty.

Back to the hardware. When compared to business notebooks, since the MacBook Pro is, by Apple's own words, geared towards the "professional" market, you're getting half as much RAM, a mid-range consumer based GPU with as little as 1/4 as much video memory, and less hard drive space. "Professional" notebooks from the PC side of things come with workstation class mobile GPUs, 4GB of RAM, etc.

The MacBook Pro also lacks many essential features, such as HDMI out, PCMCIA slots, VGA out, etc. as well as optional features like blue laser optical disc drive upgrades.

One might say "battery life!". Well, yeah, the MBP will get better battery life. But then you have the heat issue. So whats more annoying? A system getting so hot on your lap, or desk, that you have to stop what you're doing to let it cool or taking 3 minutes to swap a battery out?

There is also the issue of parts replacement and upgrades. The MacBook makes upgrading the RAM and HDD not so much of a hassle. Though getting that stupid RAM door guard back in is more of a hassle than it needs to be. With a "professional" you can easily swap out the HDD, RAM, and optical drive. Want to do that with a MacBook Pro? Good luck. With the MacBook you can upgrade the RAM and HDD, but if your optical drive dies out of warranty then you're stuck paying nearly $300 to some 3rd party to replace it. With a PC you can go order some $50 lite-on drive and be set.

As a consumer notebook, its just not worth it. If you're a consumer and looking at spending that much, you're most likely a gamer. No self-respecting gamer is going to spend $2000 on a notebook that has a midrange 128MB GPU, especially not one that has heat issues that they will have to take into consideration as well. For $1334 you can head over to ibuypower and get yourself a 15.4" notebook with 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo (Santa Rosa), 2GB of RAM, 512MB GeForce 8600M GT. For another $120 you can bump that up to 4GB of RAM (compared to $700 at Apple), and another $65 will get you a 160GB 7200RPM HDD (up from the 160 5400RPM).

If you're a gamer looking to spend as much as the 17" MacBook Pro costs, you can head over to alienware and get yourself a system with a dual GeForce 7950GTX. One full gigabyte of video memory combined with TWO GPUs that are higher end than the one included in the MacBook Pro. Four times as much video memory with two higher end GPUs.

Yes it won't be as thin as the MacBook Pro and the battery life will be awful, but again... hot and less capable hardware versus hardware that gets you what you are paying for when it comes to power, and it'll actually run cooler.

Again, for "consumer" notebooks, the MBP and MacBook don't make sense. Just look at that system I built at Dell. $1299 gets you a 15.4" 1680x1050 screen, 256MB GeForce 8600M GT, 2GB of RAM, 160GB HDD, DVD writer. Need more battery life? $50 gets you a 9 cell battery. Another $75 will get you a 2.2GHz Core 2 Duo (Santa Rosa). $1,424. Just a few dollars more than the ridiculously priced black MacBook and MUCH more power, and similar battery life. Add $160 for a blu-ray reader that can write DVDs and CDs. $360 on top of the $1,424 (or $1299 system) for a blu-ray writer.

So, in reality, the price argument is VERY valid. That half an inch towards the back with the whole "form factor" argument is completely invalid for all those reasons I listed. Grip, heat, ergonomics. Plus that slightly thicker system gets you MUCH better hardware for MUCH less money.

And yes, I typed every single letter in this post on a Mac.

Yeah, the iMac uses a 3.5" HDD. But it uses a mobile CPU, mobile GPU, mobile optical drive, mobile chipset.

Yes, and its not the first time a PC company has tried the "all in one" approach. They have failed in the past. Why? Price. The Gateway One also uses mobile parts, just like the iMac.

And as I have proved, the "form factor" argument is completely invalid, considering the markets that Apple is trying to target.

Vista 3x more than Leopard? All new PCs ship with Vista. You can also get a clean Vista disc from MS for about $7. If you need to buy Vista for a PC you're building yourself..... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116202 $111.99 before shipping and taxes. Vista "Ultimate" can be had for $180. It has built-in full drive encryption. However, if you're building a system yourself, you're generally the type of person that cares about speed. In that case, XP MCE 2005 is $115.

As if the MacBook Pro screens don't have issues? Tell that to the hundreds of people at the Apple Support forums and Macrumors that had YELLOW screens, or screens that were half yellow, etc.

Apple and Dell do have screen quality control issues. Maybe it's because they actually bought their screens from the same manufacturers.

In fact, if you do your research, you'll find that all of the major notebook manufacturers buy their screens from the same manufacturers and that you could buy 2 at the same time, same specs, and get two different brands of screens.

And on that note, my first MacBook also had a bad screen. The right side was lit brighter than the left, it flickered, and it took an abnormally long time for the left side of the screen to fully "warm up".

I've noticed no real world speed increase from upgrading to Leopard. Well, I didn't "upgrade", I did a fresh install. My boot time actually decreased by 12 seconds. I went from a 21 second boot time with Tiger (all of my software installed) to 33 seconds with Leopard. Everything else runs the same from what I've seen.

On the other hand, neither Leopard or Vista is as fast as XP on my HP with a Core 2 Duo 2GHz (Santa Rosa), GeForce 8400M, 2GB of RAM, etc. And the HP cost $300 less.

If they pay attention to detail, why the heat issues? Why the build quality issues (yellow screens, denting, discoloration, unevenly lit screens, poor quality optical drives, squeaky keyboards)?

Where are the software features that Windows software has? Such as disc caching in DVD Player to extend battery life (and the life of the DVD drive), as well as the ability to decode the LFE channel and put it out through headphones or speakers?

 

Well hate to say it but you actually haven't disproved the "form factor" issue at all. There are many people myself included who carry their notebook to and from work everyday. I need something that is small, light and has good battery life. I had thick pc laptops before, and the thinness of my mb is an advantage for portability and a reason for my purchase. Your heat argument is also not valid, my wifes HP tx1000 runs much hotter than my mb, yet is almost twice as thick. Likewise my old ASUS M6N ran very hot as hot as any mbp I have come across, further its yet to be proven that this "mbp heat issue" is major problem for the majority of users, apart from the initial batches there have been few and far reports in this and other forums complaining about the issue, and to single out apple is unfair, as all laptops suffer from similar "quality" issues as does all tech gear.
My argument stands firm and is the most scientific, valid method for determining the relative cost between 2 different computers.
THAT IS you must compare between as close to similar spec's, and this must include form factor, with only this method can you ever have a real idea if a one is more expensive than the other. Target audience is irrelevant, its end user subjective, you need to remove this and other "personal feelings" for a true comparison.

What you are trying to claim is akin to saying a small sports car is over priced because for the same money I can get a large SUV.
TO find the cheapest SUV you would compare similar SUV's no?

As for vista prices, here in france the retail version for ultimate is ~399euro, upgrade is ~315, while leopard is ~129 euro (399/129 =~3.1X the price). This is what the average joe will pay. Sure you can get it cheaper, buy an oem etc, but that again is not comparing apples to apples, the oem's have large number of restrictions, as do the upgrade versions (eg no clean install). Therefore the only fair comparison is to compare retail ultimate to leopard retail.

So in summary, please compare similar machines, its only fair. Everyone is different and what is better in your opinion may not be better in someone else's, thus when you want to compare things you MUST remove personal bias and opinions otherwise no true PRICE comparison can be made. NB: again I'm not arguing that macs are better than pc's, as that is a subject argument and can only be answered on a individual user basis, based on that persons specific needs.

But if you really must go and make rash generalisations at least have the common sense to do it properly. Many of your arguments are contradictory, for eg when you say that PC's failed at the "all in one" before, because of price, you are actually in agreement with me, not proving your point!
Also all new macs ship with leopard so whats your point?

And finally you suggest that buyer's mac's fit into 3 categories, but you forget the most important one, education. Here in my field of science Mac's are the computer of choice, as are mac's for many students...thus if your gonna be fair you should include the discount apple offers to this sector into your equations. But again this is all irrelevant in the end, you don't ask a SUV to go 100 in 4sec nor do you ask a sports car to go off road and pull 1 tonne of rubbish. You not including form factor, and then trying to compare a gaming laptop to business laptop to a student/home laptop again only further highlights the importance of comparing similar physical attributes, not personal subjective matters.


Nuf said !

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Sauron, you are right about one thing - Macs are not for everyone. For hardcore business I would buy HP or Dell - better warranty terms, but Apple was always focused on consumers. And if I was buying an internet+music laptop I would buy Sony FZ for a similar price to MacBook. But... iMac is the best all-in-one combo on the market and MBP is one of the best offers for graphic designers and photographers on the market.

Screens - I know there also issue with Mac LCDs. I am not saying they are perfect! But if you compare their screens, especially LED Matte 15", to competitors, they looks strong.

System - for me XP is the best, then OSX with many features you normally need to digg out yourself for XP. Vista is a mistake. After so many years they started to sell a system that is still in BETA. I know that Apple have an easy life with a few hardware options, but still, Vista is a mistake. Especially from the interface point of view.
And think about the number of programms you need to have to protect
yourself on XP.

I understand your frustration - I had bought and iBook many years ago and sold it within a few months. It was too slow, too expensive and there was no Windows option on it. At the end of the day, Macs are only computers...
You also could have bought an HP or Dell with many problems you don't see now.

And about MBP heating - it is a passive heating and you can like it or not. Why Macs need to be the same as others? Many people see a lack of
fans at the bottom as an advantage.

Sauron, apart from the price, write down 2-3 things that are really annoying in your Mac. Have you decided to sell your MacBook?

 

And just for a very quick example here is a very simple comparison between similar form factor machines with similar specs. The same thing can be done with the mbp or anyother laptop of choice.
And what would you know the mb is as cheap as the pc's. Very little difference.
Price Comparisons for 13" mb type laptops