Apple get fan speed problem fixed yet in windows?

I was curious if Apple has got its fan speed problem fixed for windows yet.

I know alot of people need their fans working good in windows for games and I would hate to have to boot into osx to set fan speed to high just so i could boot to windows to play a game.

Thanks!

 

So far the work around is Input Remapper (I am using it); more inputs here in this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=315558

cheers ...

 

Um, yeah. Get real OP. You can do more things in Windows besides playing games. I don't think Apple is going to go out of their way to adjust the fan speeds in Windows for people that need to play games, it's not exactly a number 1 priority.

 

Holy HLdan take a downer. He was asking a simple question that I bet many people have asked the same.

And by reading the thread linked here many have asked.

I have been using teh restart method myself. I will give input mapper a try and see how that works also. Thanks for the info much appreciated.

 

Sorry about that, I think you were misunderstanding me. It's not that I wouldn't want Apple to do anything about the fan drivers for bootcamp, I'm saying that they won't do anything and it's asking too much to expect them to. Apple creates a fair Windows experience so you can run some necessary apps and that's all they are going to do.
Same with Microsoft, they are not going to make their software on Mac very well because they don't lose Windows customers switching to Mac.
If you want a good PC gaming experience it's best to buy a PC. Gamers are just not a priority for Apple in terms of bootcamp.

 

I think if they state that with a mac, you get the best of both worlds because you can always run windows natively with boot camp, they should have working fan drivers.

 

But they aren't lying or misleading you with their statement regardless of the fan drivers. How do you know Apple didn't do that on purpose to try annoy people into NOT using Windows on their Mac?

If you absolutely need Windows for gaming or other mission critical applications, then buy a Windows PC. Period. If you only need Windows for occasional use, or you can get away with running Windows virtually then get a Mac. If you want to complain that Apple and Microsoft aren't catering to your every Windows Bootcamp needs, please save us all the hassle and do it elsewhere.

 

Well said!

Even within Windows, gamers would have to do loads of tweaks to control fan and cpu performance.

Do a good research based on one's needs before committing to buy hardware and selecting a working environment is a must.

Last but not least, each OS has its shortcomings, but not to the point that deserves being blasted!

cheers ...

 

Both very well said, and I can relate to both views here....

 

you guys are way off

Apple should provide basic functionality at MINIMUM in Windows... they ARE NOT.

The fan usage is broken in Windows on the Unibody 2008s. Its not that it doesnt run well, or fast enough or feels funny, or stops over-clocking or some other stuff, it doesn't function correctly at a basic level. If you do anything thats heavy on the CPU and GPU (games or any other app that does this, its not just a games problem). The laptop basically overheats, within minutes, and can lock up or crash or even get the hardware damaged with temps hitting 220F+. It needs to be fixed for better temp control. They have bugs in the SMC, that if you swap between the video cards a lot, the fans even stop changing speeds in OSX... and you have to reset the SMC, or even in OSX itll hit 220 and the fans still going bare minimum speed.

You all have some nerve telling someone that they shouldn't be able to use their computer for something it was advertised to do, just because you have some other preference to how it should be done.

its pretty stupid to have to manually control fan speeds just because they don't operate correctly. I shouldn't have to monitor my temp and tell the fans to spin faster... the laptop is supposed to do that.... no matter the OS, its supposed to be at a hardware level.

 

Uhm, they are.

Mac's were not meant to be a replacement for a gaming PC, get that through your head. Apple doesn't market Boot Camp as being able to replace a typical Windows gaming PC......it's for people who still have a need to run Windows apps, not heavy gaming.

Any real gamer who knows what their talking about would NEVER consider using a Mac as their sole gaming machine. Basic gaming sure, moderate gaming properly, heavy gaming.....not a chance.

Ironic you should mention over-clocking. You're pushing the machine past it's original design, and then complaining that something doesn't work right. DUH!!

Runing Windows on my new MacBook doing heavy CPU tasks has NEVER resulted in overheating.

No, YOU'VE got nerve trying to pass off that Apple advertises their MacBooks as heaving gaming machines via Boot Camp! YOU are the one with "some other preference to how it should be done" and you're tying to make examples to build your case. FAIL!!

Funny things happen when you start overclocking and pushing your machine to do things it was never designed to do. Heavy Gaming perhaps??

Come back when you have a clue, and I don't mean the board game either.

 

Well this thread whent off line. lol. But it would still be nice to have a way of pushing the fans to max in windows.

I still have issues with my 15" MBP unibody. Sometimes while palying wow, temps will reach 95-99c before the fans go to max rpm (6100). And on occasion Mac os X will lock up and require a hard restart. So there is some room for improvement on the fan operation of the new unibody. I strongly feel the fan rpm settings need a more aggressive spin up cycle. Once the fans finally hit the upper RPM's everything is great, it's just the amount of time vs temp that it takes for the fan speed to react.

 

+1 Rep for Khris!

Though I must admit, the latest MBP's with the 9600m GT's do make Moderate gaming possible if one wishes. But for my hardcore gaming I stick to my PC desktops.

 

do you even have a clue what your talking about? no.. you sure think you do though...

do you know what overclocking is? hello.... running a program on a machine should never make it overheat, or it is not working correctly. just running a program that pushes the CPUs to 100% isnt overclocking... yes the machine is designed to be able to run the CPUs and GPU at 100% use.

specs? macbook or macbook pro? have you actually monitored the temperatures? just because it still runs without crashing or having errors doesn't mean its not overheating. Would have to look up whatever processor you have, but the 2.53ghz in mine is listed by intel to have a max operating temperature of 105C. that means Apple should have designed their cooling system to never let it get passed that. It goes passed that easy in Windows (and can in OSX as well), cuz the hardware isn't trying to cool itself. The hardware is supposed to cool itself, regardless of the OS that is running. I never said it was a Windows OS problem. Its a problem with the machine, its just easier to make it overheat in Windows. If you are running one that is running way past specc'ed heat and it runs ok, well good for you, but I don't really want my machine dying in or out of warranty so soon. Running at too high of temps for extended times will limit the life of your machine. Apple doesn't care because most likely it'll till last over 3 years... might not make it 4 or 5... but its out of warranty...

what does that have to do with anything? I never claimed they were heavy gaming machines... I still don't see what that has to do with anything. The simple point is, no matter what software you are running, no matter how hard your pushing your machine, it should handle its cooling properly and not damage itself. you are basically claiming that Apple doesn't want people using Boot Camp so therefor you can't really use Windows on your machine, its just some joke to make it seem like it will work, to get switchers, but really try to use it and your screwed? Your position is completely asinine.

sure, all kinds of funny things can happen when you overclock and/or push your machine to do things it wasn't designed to do. Since no one I've seen in this thread is even advocating doing such a thing, I don't see your point in bringing it up. The only people doing things out of spec they shouldn't be doing is Apple themselves, making the parts in the machine run hotter than the manufacturer of the parts say it should run.

me..? you don't even have a clue of anything I said... your talking about things that have nothing to do with the topic. The topic isn't about wanting to change how things work. Its wanting to do basic usage that is advertised and have the machine not malfunction.

 

anyone used Input Remapper on Vista 64 on the unibody MBPs? It kind of works, but after its running it causes super long freezes of like a minute or more... even the mouse wont move. starts gong again for a few seconds..t hen freeze again. If I kill Input Remapper, the freezing stops. There are plenty of apps to monitor temperatures, but seems i cant find any to actually change the fan speeds. before gaming i have to turn them up in OSX with SMCfanControl, then reboot into Windows...

 

The Fan Control is really messed up on my 15" MBP uni. The teps soared to 105c today on my CPU and teh fans where at 2000 rpm. . That stayed like that for 2 mins before teh fan spun up to 2800 rpm. It took another 3 mins before the fan speed hit 4280 RPM with the temps steady at 89c. Maybe it' smy PC I don't know. But the fan control on this things is FUBARED.. I hope apple fixes this soon. Before this thing melts down.

 

Expecting the fans to ramp up in windows when the machine is hot, is not too much to ask for a machine that is advertised to give you windows if you want it.

 

Ha ha, you just hit the nail on the head. And Apple does just that. They don't promise to give you a "perfect" Windows experience. And TBH, you really shouldn't expect it because they are promoting their own OS and they will put more emphasis on it as they should since it is a Macintosh ya know. They do a very good job for what Windows is advertised to be used for. Quoted from Apple: Leopard is the world’s most advanced operating system. So advanced, it even lets you run Windows if there’s a PC application you need to use.

It would be a lot different and your argument would hold a lot more water if Apple advertised just the hardware with an empty HDD and told you to install whatever OS you want and they will fully support it with drivers.
You're trying to turn your Mac into gaming PC, that ain't gonna happen.

 

I agree HLdan, but if you go over to Mac Rumors you will see there are alot of OSx users experiencing the same issues under OSx. This overheating issue isn't just limited to Windows. There are even videos posted of this happening.

Like I stated before my UNIBODY hits 105c in OSx before it locks up. There is a serious flaw in the fan control of the unibodies. We are not the only ones with this issue. It's more prominent then you might think. The fans take way too long going into high RPM> yes you can correct this with SMCfan control, but it should be corrected at the hardware/firmware lvl.

 

Khris and Hdlan are way off base and are being terribly fanboyish.

Why do you keep mentioning gaming when doh123 has repeatedly stated that he's not talking about using his Mac for gaming? The OP mentioned it as one of the possible reasons to want to control fan speeds, but he's not the one you've been arguing with. There are a lot of things that can make a processor get excessively hot, including Photo and video rendering and en/decoding.

Also, expecting Apple to properly maintain temperatures in their notebooks in both OS X and Windows is far from absurd. Setting aside the fact that the unibody MacBooks consistently get uncomfortably hot in OS X just watching HD flash videos, Windows should be supported just as well as OS X. They advertise Boot Camp as a feature of owning a Mac. Giving you the feature and then making sure you can't use it fully without overheating the computer is like selling a car with air conditioning that will overheat the engine if you use it on the coldest temperature. Sure, companies do it, but it doesn't make it right.

And let's not forget that the original point of this thread wasn't just to complain about MacBooks getting too hot, but to also see if there was some type of solution for Windows like smcfancontrol. People don't just complain about this with Apple, either, as evidenced by the existence of i8kfangui for Dells and NHC for most other Windows-based laptops. It's just that the OP was looking for MacBook solutions in particular.

I'd also like to point out, Khris, that just because YOU haven't had overheating problems (however you define that) doesn't mean that other people don't. Maybe they use more intense applications. Maybe they live in a warmer climate. Maybe the location of their computer operates at a higher temperature than yours with less ventilation. Your personal setup is not the end-all be-all of computer setups, and to think that your experiences should somehow be the benchmark for the product is at the very least grossly arrogant.

The fact of the matter is that people came into this thread looking for a way to keep their temperatures in check while running their fully supported (with drivers and documentation and all!) installations of Windows on their MacBooks, and you attacked them as trolls. God forbid someone point out that almighty Apple may just have some bugs in their products, or at the very least, made a design decision that not all of the product's users are comfortable with. Instead of helping them out in any way possible (which is the point of this forum), you attacked them as if they were any common forum troll. You're the reason people in the Windows forum make fun of the people in this forum and why people get pissed off at the very mention of a new Apple product.

Normally I don't get involved with these things because my post has now become just as irrelevant as the ones of those I am protesting against. However, it infuriates me to see users and perspective users blasted on this forum when they don't sop up the Apple kool-aid like a dog. This is a forum to help people, and if you don't have a productive comment, then you shouldn't post at all. Leave the philosophical "Do you agree with Apple on X or Y" or "Should Apple do Z" posts for threads that ask those questions.

To get somewhat back on track, has anyone tried Notebook Hardware Control on the MacBook (Pro)s to see if it works?

 

If Apple is going to offer a service such as boot camp and HEAVILY advertise it as "the best of both worlds" then they need to offer basic driver support for it. Having a laptop that doesn't overheat when you boot into Windows would be considered basic support. It isn't as if writing a fan speed controller driver is difficult. It is just several intricate if statements...

 

But they do offer basic driver support. The video card works, the ethernet works, the airport works, etc etc. Apple didn't have to even think of Boot Camp, so I am grateful that they established it. I know it gets a tad hot in Windows, but there are ways around that...

 

Apple advertises that I can play my favorite 3d games on Windows.

If they are going to advertise like this telling people that they can go ahead and get a Mac and not worry about their favorite 3d games they need to provide adequate fan drivers to keep the unit cooled enough to do so. It isn't hard.

 

Which is the point of the thread. Care to share the ways?

 

who said you can't?lots of people play games under bootcamp.

 

@ tayb: Yeah you can play 3D games in Windows on your Mac. But yes, they need to do some work on the fan drivers...

@ Paul: Sorry about that.. The only way I found to control your fan speed in Windows is with a hardware fix, to install switches on the motherboard. No software fixes so far...

 

I game on my late 2008 Mac Book Pro 2.4Ghz a few times a month and just utilize the reboot method. I am normally in OS X before I game, so it isn't an issue to bump my fan speeds up to 4000 rpm in smcfancontrol and reboot. I haven't had any issues doing this and have actually been more stable running Windows 7 beta in bootcamp than many of my gaming buddies who are running Vista or XP.

Having never owned a Mac before and always using Windows machines for gaming, I have been very pleased with the performance I am getting out of my Mac. Compared to lugging my Windows rig to another location, only having to set a fan speed and reboot is a blessing!