Apple lost the touch?

I was considering buying the new Apple PB Pro but was very disappointed by their new ugly design and lack of functionality.

Removing the mouse button was their biggest mistake, do they beleive all Apple users just sit and look at their laptops or actually use them for productivity?

The new keyboard is a joke, who came up with that idea at Apple?

The ugly black cornered design of the display is even worse, ugh, it looks terrible

It seems after reading on the net that many people share my view about current Apple laptops.

Apple must rethink their strategy because they lose alot of potential new customers right now.

 

I love the chicklet keyboard, it's been around since the original MacBook and before that on various Sony Laptops. Also, the whole trackpad's a physical button, pretty cool.

 

im not sure if this is supposed to start a flamewar or an actual post, but i can honestly say that i am MUCH more productive with the new trackpad sans the button than with the old one. have you even used the new trackpad? its a total godsend. i think the new design is nice, and i did like the old mbp keyboard better, but i have no issues typing on mine.

 

My laptop has an mac-like keyboard, and I love it. I also usually tap the trackpad instead of clicking.

 

I like both designs...and yes,new touchpad is awesome.

P.S. you can't satisfy everyone

 

Every user has their own opinion, and there are also quite a lot of people out there who actually like the unibody design, keyboard, and glass trackpad. A lot of decisions made in the design of the aluminium Macbooks were risky, but they're actually quite good once you get used it.

I would recommend the OP to play around with a Macbook for a while (either from a friend or at a store) before deciding on anything.

 

sell it! sell it(10 chars)

 

I would have thought this if I didn't own a Macbook Pro already, one with a button. In the course of the year or so that I have owned it, I can't really think of a single moment that I *needed* that button. Tapping the pad accomplishes the same thing. The fact that the newer MBP pad acts as one big pushable button almost seems like a "just in case anyone misses it" thing.

I didn't think the new keyboard would be that good either. Then I tried one. It seemed a lot better in use than in appearance. My typing speed was the same, and the keys have a nice short throw. Coming from a mindset of big, loud, long throw keyboards, it seemed like I wouldn't like this new type but really I do.

The design is kind of strange and seems bulkier than it needs to be. I like the older MBPs and their less obvious bezel around the screen.

I like the new MBP's but I have no intention of upgrading currently. I don't use my MBP enough to justify it.

 

The chicklet keyboard has been around forever and is pretty nice. the new trackpad is ALOT better then I thought it would be. its actually quit cool and comfortable to use.

 

cant please everyone... the things you think are bad or look ugly.. I think are good and look good... Apple cant make a product everyone will like, its not possible no matter what they make.

 

The Sony even looks better and they were smart enough to make it all black.

Now the Apple looks like a mess and they skimped on quality compared to the older generation which is sad.

 

lol. what?

 

I can relate to the touchpad opinion.

When I was first thinking of buying a new notebook with linux or buying a MBP I went to Best Buy and played around with one. My first impression was that pushing the touchpad down as a button was the worst idea in the world. When my wife insisted on a MB to replace her Dell when it died I got a chance to finally try out the touchpad and OSX. I fell in love with the MB within 5 minutes and placed my order for the MBP that night.

Its one thing to try it out in the store and quite another to use it at home.

 

keyboard was first appeared from sony, give credit where credit is due. macbook wasn't the first nor apple invented that.

i do agree with you on the black keyboard, but it would look just as ugly with silver, although i would love to have the keboard made of metal.

for my comment about the new mb/p, i do like it closed, but i don't like t opened, relative to mine.

keypad is a keypad, i actually prefer the new one now but only due to ease of cleaning and applying invisible shield, and design; but indifference to the use.

 

Here is a tip, and really big tip, Just imagine that the button is there and use your thumb to click the imaginary button and guess what!! It works just the same!!

Most people that do not like the track pad hasn't used it for more then a day or two.

 

I have the older MBP model and almost never use the physical mouse button. I find it much more natural to just tap on the touchpad so I would gladly give up the button for more Touchpad space like in the unibody MacBooks. I also find that I type much more accurately on chicklet style keyboards from using the iMacs in campus computer clusters.

How exactly do this changes negatively effect functionality? Now if your complaints were redirected to Apple's choice of excluding a FW400 port...

 

my biggest complaint is the awkwardness apple choose to have on a mouse

the acceleration goes from 0 to max that triggers by a minor acceleration without given us the option to turn it off.

i have to say i am really disappointed that apple doesn't give us any option to fix this issue.

sure, the trackpad works really well on everyday use, but it is not precise enough and mouse isn't an option at this point.

here, my complaint that's not about FW400

but seriously, let us use our mouse peacefully apple, i am not gaming good on world of goo here getting OCD!!!

 

You are paying $3000 and Apple forces people to use the new Displayport without supplying the adapter to it, that's cheap.

Good for Apple as they make more money but consumers has to pay more, why not stick to DVI or HDMI as everyone does?

And the keyboard is really stupid because if you spill some coffee on it you are busted, you can't just change the keyboard easy like any other laptop.

 

odd.. after being a Windows and Linux user for years before switching to OSX.. i loved, and still love how the mouse moves in OSX... you find it awkward and not precise? too weird, i found it very good and extremely precise so much i always get annoyed when using a mouse in non-OSX.

 

its not cheap, its a tactic... they wanted to raise prices, but that doesn't look that great... so making things add on with the base price low is a VERY OLD tactic still used by all computer companies... its just Apple usually didn't do it as often as they are now.

 

no accounting for taste.... I havent seen a black laptop i thought looked good in years... i hate black machines... so freaking ugly...

 

Don't keep drinks near your laptop. Do you really have to drink over you laptop? No.
HDMI has licensing fee Apple didn't want to get into, display port is better and once more company's start using it, it will be the new HDMI.

So you are saying that the new MB and MBP's are worse quality then the last ones... LOL

 

Silver is soo...ehm.. gayish.

 

Just read all reports on the new MB, the whole construction is weaker compared to the older ones.

Touchpad never works good, only Apple fanboys beleive so, have you ever tried anything else? try the trackpoint from Lenovo next time and you will be changed how much faster you can work.

Apple users priority one is design and looks, Apple lost that with their new generation of MBs, now it looks like a comparable Acer laptop you buy cheap at some outlet.

Productivity? well using a touchpad and now removing the mouse button makes the whole laptop worthless.

Yes Apple lost it as you can read in numerous articles, Apple couldn't even include a BD-R, they still use DVD, old technology.


Many people share my opinion and was considering buying the new MB, but after this, it's a big no, my money goes elsewhere and Apple lost another customer.

 

I don't care about "articles" or "many peoples opinions",I have my own.I have 9 different laptops including thinkpads(I am typing this on one btw) and I say that for me apple's touchpad is better.

 

I guess I am confused as to what exactly is supposed to be special about Apple's touchpad... don't all touchpads work like a mouse button when you tap on them?

...so what they did was "innovate" by removing a button and giving you less?

 

you are not getting less,you are getting more-more surface.also,you have a button-it is the touchpad.

 

what reports? what is "weaker?"

you do know thats completely subjective? I too hate touchpads, except for Apples, especially the new ones, they are awesome... but I HATE those trackpoint junks... totally worthless to me... either you have really weird needs or coordination, or you haven't ever spent enough time with an Apple trackpad

first, thats some type of myth, thats not a priority one to "Apple users" as not all "Apple users" have the same priorities. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it is ugly. There is no such thing as "ugly" or "pretty" or "nice" or "great" its all peoples opinions. I think they look completely awesome. Sure it looks like an acer if you take a real quick 10 millisecond glance at it...

actually Apples touchpads are awesome, you have no clue what your talking about. The new ones (which do have a button by the way) are fantastic... very easy to use, and very precise. I too thought it was stupid and hated the idea, until i used one for a bit and found out how awesome it is.

you do realize that most people buying computers couldn't give a rats @$$ about blu-ray? Sure put licensing costs on everyone for this junk so that a few people might be able to use it... I'd rather have no discs of any type i have to put in or take out.... give me digital, its much better than having to worry about old tech discs to put movies on and keep shelves of movies instead of having tons on 1 hard drive.... oh boo hoo its only 90% of the quality it would be on blu-ray... most don't care about that either.

I'm sure many do share your opinion (I'm glad you admitted it was all opinion even though you stated it like facts), just as many others opinions are exactly opposite of yours. Sounds like your mad you can't buy an Apple machine... Apple doesn't make a wide range of machines for everyone. They don't want everyone to be their customers.... since the machines do no meet your needs, its clear Apple doesn't want you as a customer... is that what makes you feel bad? That a company actually doesn't want you to be their customer?

 

Well I guess I am and Apple fan boy, so can you explain to me YOUR experiences with the track pad that never works?

You are not getting less, like said already you are getting more. With multi touch a nice big track pad makes it awesome for multi tasking. The button is the track pad, if you use the track pad like you would one with a button at the bottom and use your thumb to click, it works EXACTLY the same.

 

its a glass trackpad, the same tech as the iPod Touch and iPhone.. it does work a lot better than normal trackpads and has many features of things it can do, depending how many fingers you use and how you move them, not to mention its big enough to actually use unlike most brands. The button wasn't removed, it was moved.. the trackpad is a button. Thats not the same as tap to click, which is also an option, but the trackpad is a physical click button. 1 finger click is a left click, 2 finger click is a right click. if you click hold to like drag a window, another finger sliding across while the first finger holds still moves it around right... two fingers up down or left right is scroll... three finger swipes can change though things... 4 fingers can use Expose for app switching... its just little stuff that is hard to explain until you've used it for awhile.

 

Its called MacBook Pro now.

clearly you havent use it. try it for urself, i was skeptical too at first, but after trying it for myself, i found it to be really nice, the whole trackpad is the button! the whole thing clicks down when you press it.

yeah, the old PB and the old MBP does have nice keyboard, but the new one isn't bad, i wouldnt mind either of those.

yeah, it looks unfinished, they should put some gradient i think.

 

Well what happens if you spill Coke or coffee on the new MBs? you have to change the whole unit as the keyboard is integrated under the shell, it's the dumbest design idea ever.

With any other laptop except Sony you just change the keyboard and everything will be fine most often.

The touchpads comes from the same manufacturer as Dell uses or any other laptop manufacturer.

Apple users always say they are unique, but it's BS because it's the same hardware and does the same thing.

Making the touchpad HUGE on the new MBs is bad because it means the coordination will be even worse for people who desire to work fast with their computer.

Dell already had the mouse button functionality in their touchpads before Apple even realized it existed and it's the worst idea ever.

Also if you have two fingers on a touchpad i can guarantee you that the touchpad will freak out and i can guarantee you that happens often when you have to work fast at the office and you are stressed.

And the glass Apple use on their touchpad is just for looks, it got no functionality at all.

Apple had a winning concept before the new MBs, but they removed it, change of management at Apple maybe or Apple lost their brain while Steve Jobs was away sick and all hell break lose at Apple during that time the new MB was developed?

 

Well this makes it obvious that you are talking out of your a$$ and have never used the touch pad, and know nothing about it.

 

There are vids on how the multi-touch works on the touchpad. I have yet to see a PC (Synaptics) touchpad that has additional funcitonality outside of scrolling on the right side and bottom. Sure, you can tap+hold to select and move things, but that's about it.


With the Apple multitouch pad, you can use multiple fingers to zoom in and out, move apps/pages easily, swap through apps, etc. The touchpad itself on the Apple actually "tilts" when you press the corners to click; so no, they didn't remove the click/button.


If PC laptops integrated Apple's multitouch technology on their touchpads, I think Apple wouldn't have as many converts. It's *that* good.

 

Looks to me like another useless post trying to start a flame war. If you don't like it don't buy it... no one is forcing you too use apple are they?
All your other posts are in the Dell/asus section... suggesting that your not a mac user or even a current owner... thus I really can't see the point of this thread.
I hope the Mod"s close it asap
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ps I'll say it again.. I wish this forum would get back to the business of helping people FIX their Mac related problems

 

wow, what a waste of time. You guys are just throwing wood to the fire, just let him say whatever he wants, it is obvious that the OP's intentions are to ruffle some feathers over here. Maybe someone should close this?

 

what are you smoking? you are assuming that all touchpads are the same as ones you have seen... they are NOTHING alike... your post here is outright lies, and completely wrong... they are glass because they are conductive, they don't work off pressure.

you'll guarantee a touchpad will freak out.. ???? dude, your living like 10 years in the past (or current on Windows laptops) if you think that... Apples touchpads for years have supported and work fine with multiple fingers, nothing freaks out... its apparent you haven't ever used one of Apples to say total lies like this.

there is a video that decently shows some features of the trackpad... go to the following link, scroll down to the Touchpad section (read it if you want) and click to watch the demo video...

http://www.apple.com/macbook/features.html

these touchpads are so awesome.. i wish they'd make a USB one i could use on a desktop (and no, no current USB touchpad even holds a candle to usability as these)

 

No i am saying Apple lost it, i was a potential customer considering paying $3000, but after the new MBs came out i beleive Apple made a "huge" mistake.

What is fault with that? many people agree with me, i am not a hardcore Apple consumer who accepts everything Apple releases and can't see their faults.

As i said, their design is a total disaster, why did they change a working design they had? why make it a total disaster?

Apple skimped on everything, even the packaging box it comes in is small and tiny to save resources, the whole aluminiun cutout is to save costs, but it looks terrible.

And please don't mention the touchpad and virtual mouse button.

I just wanted that Apple continued making like the old MBs with newer technology.

 

No, i was a Dell customer, Dell is not making good laptops.

I am a harcore Thinkpad user and always used them most of the time and was considering buying the new MB from Apple but i beleive i have to re-consider that now and take my money elsewhere.

Apple doesn't even offer a integrated WWAN card, that is scary....

 

i know! i have nightmares about it. it makes me shiver in my boots

 

The OP sounds like he is basing his claims on gossip and not from personal experience. I would strongly recommend you try out the products first before raising any suggestions or complaints about the product on the forum (not restricted to Apple products and the Apple forum). Otherwise, you simply risk having your thread closed and disciplinary action being taken against your forum account.

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