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    Apple should move to AMD for their high end Macbooks

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by electrosoft, Mar 30, 2020.

  1. electrosoft

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    4900 series are monster chips....

     
  2. kojack

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    I think apple doing what they are doing is the best road for apple. Move to their own processors again. Supposedly the chips in my iphone and ipad are way more powerful than the core i9. ;)
     
  3. Terreos

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    But, AMD doesn't have thunderbolt support. So I think that alone would keep them from jumping to team RED. Plus I think kojack nailed it with they probably are going to make their own cpu for all their products.
     
  4. electrosoft

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    Wouldn't be the first time Apple implemented a custom controller as everything continues to move to the T2.

    But A series based Macs are a matter of when not if at this point but now Apple has options.

    And yeah, the A series of chips are very fast even in iPads. With proper cooling in a notebook format, I expect them to beat Intel flat out (9th and 10th gen) and potentially be on par with AMD's offerings.
     
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    how would they fare with heavy software. They have only been tested with lightweight iOS.
     
  6. bobmook

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    Ipads that look like a real computer, priced extremely high, compatible with nothing but apple software..... yes that will reach the masses and reinvigorate the brand. The issue is not with the speed of the risc chips but video support. There is just no way these machines will match Nvidia or AMD
     
  7. Vasudev

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    Think of it in this way: Dual A12Z CPU in custom multi-die fashion and active fan cooling along with Apple's SW team can pull it up comfortably since all OS X, iOS and iPad OS utilize Xcode to build/run native apps. Only issue you will have, Python 3, Anaconda3, major web developer tools are not yet ready to switch ASAP.
     
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    MacOS isn't exactly bloated, and a current iPad Pro can perform to roughly 60-70% of a MacBook Pro with a Core i9 in multi-core.

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  9. kojack

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    Is geekbench exactly the same for iOS and MacOS however? or is the iOS version for iOS devices only?
     
  10. Qing Dao

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    It's supposed to be the same between the different OS's, including Windows and Android.
     
  11. kojack

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    So every app is the same. Meaning puts the same processes on the device.
     
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    Python3 runs fine on arm, Anaconda has archiconda, VSCode (or at least the community) has compiled arm versions from VSCode open source. I know because they run on my Jetson Nano - arm + Nvidia setup, no x86 whatsoever. Even has the full CUDA SDK on there, now, along with much of Nvidia's toolchain.

    React Native, Fiddler, Electron all rely on common frameworks that are on arm already. Electron has released arm binaries before (and it's also open source). I haven't really followed much, since I only use web development for maintaining websites, not creating web apps.

    Either way, I learned a long time ago to stop thinking Apple's "courage" was anything but. Where they go, the industry follows. Luckily, most companies were too cheap to implement a touchbar, otherwise we'd be stuck with that nonsense (and yes, I know Lenovo did the eink touchbar first and Acer tried to remove the fn-keys altogether).
     
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    I would love to have the touchbar on my computer, but not at the expense of my touchscreen. It's apples way of trying to backpedal they are screwing up with no touchscreens. I love the apple faithful too claiming why would you want fingerprints over your monitor.....however they think the ipad and iphone are the second coming!
     
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    Then its good. Usually I see Win32 or Win64 builds along amd64 and intel-x86 and have not seen ARM builds.
     
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    When one maker is too reliant on another to build the heart and brain of their system... They hv lost the initial creativity they had held for long. By the time they move back to build their heart and brain for their product... They've lost their souls.
    I won't buy a MacBook with a blue heart, so as the red.
    I'll only go for the Appley heart, even if they're going to taste sour...
     
  16. kojack

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    I have no issues with the hardware of my iphone and ipad. The software on the ipad and macbook is terrible however. The macbook is stale and boring, the ipad is a giant iphone. The hardware is TOP NOTCH however for mobile. I will not buy a macbook of any flavor. Not until I see touchscreen usage with 2 in 1 form factors with pencil support. I would possibly move to apple then. But not what they are offering now.

    I will not move from iphone either. If microsoft were to resurect 10 mobile and actually put some grunt behind it. I would go that route. But android is terrible.
     
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    EXCLUSIVITY.
    That's the "TAGWORD" which APPLE tries to market their product since the early 2000s. However, when APPLE doesn't build/make their own hearts and brains anymore, that's not the APPLE i knew anymore.

    Software can be "boring" due to it's limitation to specific Operating System that's tied to.

    Hardware can be "boring" because it's often lack lusture when compared to other systems that are more accomodating to other OSes(besides Windows, there's Linux in different distros, as well as the rising Chrome). Thanks to Hackintosh and Ryzentosh available on Intel and AMD systems, now one can enjoy the snappiness on other devices other than the money juicing hardware that bears the APPLE badge with high price tagged. However, certainly, be it Hackintosh or Ryzentosh, they'll have their limitations...
     
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    Announced just then, apple a series Macs. Look very interesting actually.