Big Sur is officially macOS 11.0 as Apple finally leaves OS X behind

Big Sur is officially macOS 11.0 as Apple finally leaves OS X behind
June 22, 2020
https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/22/21299799/macos-11-big-sur-os-x-apple-verison-number-end-era

 

It's interesting to see what will happen in the next 6 months. I really like the idea of all the iOS apps working natively on MacOS and scaling correctly. Windows tried this but their CEO had his head in the clouds instead. No doubt, MS made a boat load on cloud, but they could be in a much better position than they are now if they never had a one vision CEO.

 

Just to make sure no one is conflating things here... Mac OS 11 (Big Sur) will *not* be able to run iOS apps natively on existing (intel based) hardware. When released end of the year - thru 2021, only the new ARM based Macs running the new OS will be able to emulate enough of the ARM chip in phones that iOS apps will run on Mac OS.

Also, it'll be interesting to watch Apple over the next 12-18 months. It is a given, A Computer is a computer. A Phone is a phone. A Tablet is a tablet. They have different interfaces and user expectations. That is what Microsoft missed causing the failure of Windows Phone / Windows 8 design. Now granted, Apple is doing it a bit opposite (allowing Phone design to run on a computer vs. MS' approach of your computer should act exactly like a phone). So it will be interesting to see what (if anything) comes out of it.

 

Yes, I know all about the hardware side of things. But it's very interesting that Apple has now the basis for one Software platform for everything. Meaning, the app on iphone, ipad and mac will be exactly the same. They are even designing the MacOS to physically look like ipadOS/iOS. It's a great setup when they get it all working. However, a couple of things I need to do work on, will not work on macOS so I am waiting to see if they will move to that platform too.

 

Just changing some icons and imaging to look the same is fine, but the overall UI and user interaction will still be different. For those who may be in the dark, see https://www.apple.com/macos/big-sur-preview/ for the changes in the next macOS.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. I would expect the Dock bar to stay in Computer version of MacOS, but there would still be no Dock bar in iPhone. Computer version of MacOS expects a keyboard for fluid operation, and iOS expects fingers and gestures. ( That is the point where Windows 8/Windows Phone lost it. They do NOT have nor require the same exact interface. )

 

So far it looks good and running fine. Glad I can still run Final Cut Pro X and Logic Pro X. Although I would like to try the new ones

Running iOS 14 , iPad OS 14 and WatchOS 7. Feeling adventurous this year

 

With all APPLE system with APPLE heart, soldered WIFI, as well as other components, that makes it too "exclusive" for the OS-XI, we'll be sure that the possibility of OS-XI Hackintosh or Ryzentosh will not be seen in the next 6mths period time... APPLE had certainly put a plug there to make their OS to be fitting only with APPLE SOC.
In the next 6mths, be it Hackintosh on INTEL systems or Ryzentosh on AMD builds, the OSes will like to be those base on the old 10.11~15.

 

OS 11 will run on most Macs from 2013 onward.

https://9to5mac.com/2020/06/22/macos-big-sur-compatible-macs/

 

It'll be more interesting to see if there's any SLICERS* out there can slice up the new APPLE OS ...

...and recode it to fit any system builds in any platform or hardware types!
*HACKER​

 

But there is a dock on iOS and iPadOS as well. They just operate different. Windows was SO CLOSE. But Nadella decided to can all of it and just put his head in the cloud. Nothing wrong with that, but they were close to having a really special setup.

I said the exact same thing to my wife yesterday. Apple just put the kybosh on hackintosh systems. DONE, OVER, FINITO....

Are you running them all now in preview?

 

I wonder why they didn't allow the 2013/2012 retina models. Oh well, a patch will probably be released allowing them to work.

Not anytime soon. Apple's transition period is 2 years from 2020. So they will most likely still sell Intel based computers until 2022. Not to mention they will continue support the Intel based computers for a long time. It's 2020 and they are supporting 2013 models (7 years later). The 16" Intel based Macbook Pro, not to mention the Mac Pro will be supported for years to come.

I am estimating a good while until the Hackintosh is killed off.

Yup

iOS [iPhone 8 Plus]
iPad OS [iPad Pro]
WatchOS [Series 5]
macOS Big Sur [2017 MBP 15"]

 

All are stable? I'm close to doing it myself.

 

Yep. It is why I specifically mentioned no Dock for an iPhone. There's a big UI gap / difference between a device like a watch or phone vs. a full computer

 

I have not had any issues yet with either of them but do remember it's only been a day so far since we got the beta.

You can always wait until next month for the public beta which is normally a bit more stable.

Honestly just from 1 day of testing this seems like a solid build for now

 

I installed it as soon as it was available and I concur it's quite stable. I did have one Safari error "Divide by Zero" but that was it, less issues in one day than Catalina in an hour lol (I swear I never had as many issues even on the much derided Vista which unlike most people I found stable lol).

Eventually I went back because some apps weren't running mostly due to needing updates and some Steam games gave unsupported platform errors, incidentally those same games while also not officially compatible with Catalina according to Steam still worked on 10.15 ie Total War Rome II and Attila. DOTA2 also refused to run due to the same "unsupported platform" error. Other reason was while UI seemed nice in the Apple demo, it was quite inconsistent and scathing to my eyes in places like Safari where the top menu blended into web pages without a gradation and other annoying UI inconsistencies, mostly cosmetic, which obviously will be rectified on launch or so I hope. Overall definitely quite stable and useable as a daily driver assuming you don't have some of those apps that need to be updated to work.

 

I think it may point to Apple in the future embracing a touch screen - So the iOS/iPadOS app experience is consistent.

I know they knocked the idea of touch screens in the past, but they have also knocked the idea of tablets and styluses before but they’ve u-turned on that.

 

I've said this before, but Apple putting a touchscreen on a Mac undermines the iPad Pro's raison d'etre. I don't think it's going to happen, at least not in the near or mid-term.

 

A touch screen Mac will never replace an iPad just how an iPad could never replace an iPhone. I remember the days of an iPad just being called a bigger iPhone.

Form factor makes too much of a difference imo. Also the cost differential between an iPad and a MacBook is a huge factor.

 

Apple has never marketed the iPad as an iPhone replacement. They have marketed the iPad as a laptop replacement.

 

It won't change anything with ipad sales. An imac and Macbook pro running a series chips, with touchscreen would make me switch to Mac and would even buy a ipad pro to go with it. They all have different use cases.

 

So you think they won’t add a touch screen to a Mac because it might hurt iPad sales - but they will happily call an iPad a laptop replacement and not worry about hurting Macbook sales? Can’t have it both ways.

 

The reason they never had touchscreen Mac products was because of the macos software, that's just been fixed now.

 

MacBook and iPad are definitely converging. At the 12-13” end form factor wouldn’t be much of an issus, once modularity (ie keyboard attachments) become a little more mature it could be very likely maybe not very soon but it’s highly probable.

Even if they added a touchscreen to current Macs I doubt it would affect iPad sales. I personally know very few people with touch screen laptops who actually use the touch screen. For the most parts it’s pretty crude on most laptops. I bought my sister an iPad Pro for art work because it has a better touchscreen with pressure sensitivity and importantly far more accurate with a screen closer to the touch layer. Her Dell XPS has a touch screen and she barely uses it, compared to the trackpad.

Additionally going back and forth between a screen and keyboard seems more cumbersome than just a trackpad and keyboard. Seems more like a half baked novelty right now in laptops.

With a detachable or foldable 2 in 1 or the likes of the Surface with a decent accurate touchscreen it makes more sense as once you take off the keyboard and use it as an actual tablet, the touchscreen is far more functional. Also with the detachable devices you can actually use the touchscreen much better for things like drawing, notes etc. But in regular laptops not so much. Plus the W10 UI itself seems much better oriented to the old ways of input.

 

I use my touchcreen alot. I cannot go back to a non touch device. My desk monitor is touch as well and I am always using it editing videos and photos. Non touch is a NO GO for me.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackintosh
Hmmm... I guess the name Big SUR was retained with the significance of Big Stop of Unapproved Replication?

 

It's apple completing their lock down of their software intellectual property. iOS and iPadOS are already locked down, with no way in other than through apples gateway and now MacOS is sealed too.

 

You guys are forgetting Big Sur is running and will continue running on Intel based Macs. As long as Intel based Macs are supported, Hackintosh will exist.

 

Everything won't work like it does on arm however. Plus I think it's going to be a two year phase out of Intel based machines all together. I'm very interested in the new Apple, and what they have up their sleeve with arm Macs. Touchscreen Macs are incoming too, finally. A new patent just went through about some new touchscreen tech from apple and it was Mac based.

 

And it looks like coming Mac OS will be equal security bugged as the previous.

https://wccftech.com/privacy-flaw-in-macos-allows-safari-clone-to-run-with-full-access/

“Based on the status of the bug fix provided by Apple, Jeff believes that even macOS Big Sur has this issue and he does not expect Apple to fix it anytime soon”

 

I have said this several times. The grass ain't greener on the other side of the fence



New macOS Big Sur Update Is Bricking Older MacBook Pro models wccftech.com | Yesterday

Apple’s latest software update for the Mac lineup, macOS Big Sur, is seeing a torrid launch so far. After failing to download on its official release day due to server problems on Apple’s end, some older MacBook Pro owners have stated that the update has bricked their machines. Since many users have reported the same issue, it should conclude that the problem is widespread.

 

Yep, just install windows 10, use it, don't screw with it and you have the best OS available.

 

MacOS Big Sur is spying on everything you do and sending the data to Apple notebookcheck.net | Yesterday

Apple's macOS Big Sur is spying on you

Apple's latest operating system, macOS Big Sur, uses a new API to constantly send users' data (including how, when, and where a Mac is used) to Apple. This data is transmitted to Apple without encryption, meaning anyone with access to the same network as the Mac can see the information.

As Jeffrey Paul states, your MacBook is no longer yours.

 

It leaves OS X behind in name only. Still functions exactly the 20 year old OS that it is.

 

Big Sleuth?

Time to go (back to) Linux I guess.

 

Yep. All the spying going on behind users back, in the dark, not knowing it's happening. At least you know whats happening with W10 and android. I can just imagine what's happening with iOS.

 

What ever Apple calls it, it is still at the core a version of BSD right so it technically by definition is the same thing, they just tweaked it to run a certain way so you have to buy new hardware every 3 years for an OS that should run on 30 year old hardware.

 

I will stick with my Next Cube and Next Step for Intel with the Mach kernal....... it just needs to be updated for 28 core processors, 8k displays, nvme's, etc, etc, etc

 

I assume that eventually parts for the NextCube are going to be hard to come by.

 

1,000 percent growth: malware is becoming a growing problem for macOS notebookcheck.com

macOS is apparently becoming an increasingly attractive target for cyber criminals. According to a recent study, a growth rate of 1,000 percent was observed last year....

 

I call BS on this story. Everyone knows MacOS is impenetrable to outside hacking, virius, malware attacks. Come on, that's the oldest knowledge out there about Macs. NO VIRUSES.