Chances of Apple adopting blu-ray?

Xhibit, most PC laptops still do not have Blu-Ray anyway.

I expect Apple to introduce it to its top machines by the fall or the winter. Maybe the company will delay BR until WWDC early next year, but I definitely expect a Mac to have a BRD writer/ROM by 2011.

By this time next year, BRD blanks and movies will be far more affordable too.

 

And how much do people pay at the moment for SSDs? They are way too expensive for most of us but some people buy them. Computing world is not about what costs the less, it's about the needs of the customers, and some of them, moreover buying Apple, have a lot of money to spend in gadgets.

 

Yeah well in this time of recession, IMHO , the buying power of the customers are vastly reduced, so there's really no incentive for apple to give out blu ray drives yet.

 

SSD is a bit different because for one thing, it doesn't require specially written software. If Apple introduces BRD, it will have to include a player and burning software in OS X.

Also, SSD has certain advantages that business people currently want (reliability), whereas BRD has only one advantage for storage --higher capacity, which most consumers don't even need right now.

 

Well to people like me, who have had a blueray player for their HD TV for more than a year, and would like to be able to play them on the go, a blue ray reader would be way more useful than support for SSDs. Its not even that expensive. It's literally $25 a movie/$30 with digital copy, while dvds are what $20? And they could just make it optional for like +$100. The only reason they don't include one is because they want people to be stuck to using itunes, a huge money maker for apple. Kind of like how you need itunes if you have an iphone. Almost all pc computers above $1000 have optional blue ray readers now, no reason apple can't afford it. OS X even supports it already, because you can buy a blueray reader for a mac pro. They just want to tie the people who can't to using itunes to make $$.

 

Wait , does the MBP have a HD screen? As in can i watch HD movies ripped off from the HDD ?

 

Only the 17inch mac supports hd. However allot of pc brands moved to 16inch 1080p screens. And some high quality laptops moved to 1920x1200 res screens. The 15 mac still uses 1440x900 so it doesn't support full HD, only 720p. Even if an optional 1920x1200 screen was +$150 and blueray +$100, I'm sure a lot of people would still buy it, apple would just have to give up on itunes first.

 

Is there huge quality bump from 720p to 1080p ? personally i would be satisfied with 720p. Most ppl here in india, dont even know what 'HD' means.

 

The difference is noticeable and appreciable, especially for high quality 1080p Blu-Ray. Remember that not all Blu-Ray transfers are equal. Some releases are rubbish.

 

There is appreciable diff. But when comp to DVD's , 720p is far greater. At least not all hope is lost.

 

BRD cost more than DVD DL, in all of the following:

absolute cost
bulk cost / GB
practical storage cost (ie. a lot of disc data storage needs don't exceed 8GB)

it could be more practical for large storage sets, like a large collection of music or movies that need to be backed up, or individual HD movies. but it is STILL more expensive. Not that much though, the delta is pretty small in bulk. and expense is sort of a moot point.

I think the chance of apple adopting blu ray is slim, but not none. Apple seems to have decided that online distribution is the way to go, and I frankly agree with them. the iTunes app store is wildly successful, and the iTunes movie store has rental options, purchase options, and HD movies. I would rather see them expand this, making it cheaper, even more practical and accessible, and strive for a higher degree of quality and selection and more HD, than support blu ray.

 

More than expanding their products line up, Apple should focus on expanding it's global coverage. That would directly link to a huge expanse in their income which could make them viable enough to roll out bluray drives.

 

We all know this.

That dude is just being a troll as usual. He likes to threadcrap as well. Read his epic Microsoft polemic in the thread asking MBP owners if they are happy with their purchases.

 

That dude=?

 

That dude is probably you because his points are valid and your points are not.

 

Guys, please don't go personal

Anyway, I still don't see the point of blu-ray disks at all. for ~100$,I can get ~640 gb external HDD and just download movies.IMO a better place to spent your money...

 

Quality. I'd like to see a iTunes HD download work as nicely with a home cinema setup with 7.1 as Blu-ray does.

 

Who said "...from iTunes?" ?

 

There is nothing "valid" about your trolling. You threadcrap a post asking MBP owners if they are happy with their purchases. Tell me something: are YOU happy with your MBP? Don't have one? Have nothing relevant to say? Then don't threadcrap and make up nonsense, such as the idea that plastic is absolutely more scratch resistant than Apple's aluminum MBPs.

 

Most people are currently content with iTunes HD, but I don't see why Apple cannot have iTunes alongside BRD. Like you, I also care about quality, and iTunes HD is just nowhere near BRD. Watching something like Wall-E on BRD is special.

 

maybe they are worried that Blu ray would hamper their efforts at making their online store a success. It is sort of helping their direct competitor.

I think iTunes has the potential to be *better* than Blu-ray. They have online distribution power. They can have 1080p movies available in a simple consistent format without discs and a library that vastly exceeds the blu-ray library. They *could* have this. If they don't already, they should work towards it.

I think blu-ray is more valid as a movie platform than a general data distribution platform. online is the way to go for that. sync to the cloud.

 

An average BRD is around 20Gb with all of the extras and 5.1 or 7.1 sound. I don't see too many people wanting to spend an evening to download a single flick when they can just rent the movie from Blockbuster in 15 minutes. I think iTunes HD will remain a 720p source because of the substantially smaller file sizes. 720p is definitely good enough for most films. The only movies that I MUST see in full 1080p are the visually stunning like Up and Watchmen.

For TV, 720p iTunes is perfect for folks who do not have an HD PVR.

 

The bitrate and quality for hdmovies on itunes are like 1/4 of the movies on blueray disk. So providing hd videos isn't a very big problem. Nowadays, fast internet connection allow user to download a full length 1080P hd movie in 5-10 minutes. Also, there's the options of streaming in the future. Services from microsoft in "Zune" market place already offers instant hd movie streaming for xbox platform. Maybe apple will adopt that soon.

 

There is no way that a cable connection will allow anyone to download a 1080p film in 10 minutes.

Even a highly compressed 80 minute 1080p flick is easily over 4.7Gb. Most good 1080p rips are 8-10Gb. You'd need to download at 8 megaBYTES per second average to finish 4.7Gb in 10 minutes --16 megaBYTES per second for the truly good 8-10Gb rip.

Who has true 128Mb per sec. internet connection?

 

LOL I have no idea what you're talking about. Maybe next time you should check out who actually says those comments before pointing your finger at someone.

 

I live next to the supercomputing center at my university and the connection I get is 15Mbits lol.

 

Huh? My response was not directed at you.

 

My ISP is supposedly 22Mbits/sec. at burst rates, but at sustained (i.e. REAL) transfer speeds, I get around 1Mbyte/sec. at best = 8mbits sustained.

Up at SFU, I was able to reach up to 2mb/sec (16mbits) when closest to the servers.

 

Whoever thinks you can download true Bluray in a decent amount of time is delusional.

Nothing online/streaming HD can compare to an actual Bluray Disc. Until our internet connections substantially improve, real Bluray are going to be on physical Bluray discs.

 

A cable connection should be able to stream a 1080p movie.

4 GB / hour is about 1 MB / second.

 

So, you're at SFU eh? I live 10 minutes from SFU, and I get sustained 20+Mb/s internet from Shaw. I guess shaw never capped my bandwidth because people in my area barely use their internet.

Anyways... you obviously haven't seen fast internet connection before.
I believe HD movies from itunes are in the range of 4-6Mbps. Even wth my "slow" internet connection (compared to other fast ones), I can download a whole 120Minutes of HD movie at 5000Kbps under 30 minutes. People with faster connection such as FiOs can download it under 10 minutes.

If we're talking about streaming, with my internet connection, I can stream about 8GB of content from the internet per hour without a problem and my internet connection isn't that fast.

BTW.. contents on the blueray disks are only about 25-35Mbps h.264/vc-1 streams. Convert it to MB, it's only about 3-4.5MB/s, nowhere near 16MB/s like you said.

BTW.. 10Gb rip will only take about 10 minutes minutes to download. You need to get your math right in the first place.

BTW.. here's some internet connection speed that some of the NBR users are getting
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=390237&page=9
3rd guy in the forum page
At home his download speed is 210Mbps and at somewhere else, his download speed is 160Mbps.

If his connection speed is sustainable, he'll be able to download 15.8GB in 10 minutes, about the size of full length blueray movie on blueray disk. He can also download 2-3 Full length HD movies from Itunes in 10 minutes.

 

Lol I can assure you that your connection is probably top 1% of the US population. Probably even smaller than that. Fios is 25Mbits down. So it is about 3MBytes per second at the best rate which isn't much better from what you have. So for a 10GB rip it will take (10GB) * (1024MB/GB) / (3MB/s). That is 3400 seconds which is more than 10 minutes.

p.s. That guy has ludicrous speed for home. Do a weighted average of the votes and you will have no where near that number.

 

Typically, blueray disk rip found on the dark corners of the internet are usually between 2GB-4.7GB in size or ranging from 2000Kbps - 5000Kbps.

With Fios, (25Mbps*60*10)/8=1.875GB/10 minutes

Itunes HDmovies are between 4-5GB in size. FiOs connection will download a 5GB movie in 27 minutes.

And I'm just saying, there are people in this world who have fast internet connection. Compare to them, my download speed is horrible.

 

I just took a look on piratebay and the average is about 8-10GB for a 1080p movie. One way or another you are not downloading 10GB in 10 minutes unless you have a 17MBytes connection. 10GB * (1024MB/GB) / (600 secs) = 17 MBytes/sec. That is a 136Mbit connection. That is faster than most home routers.

 

It takes me about 30min-1hour downloading 5-6gig BD rip at 2mb/s torrent. But that's a well seeded torrent. It never takes more than 3 hours for a BD rip. My connection is average. My laptop has HDMI, so if I want to watch I BD movie, I start the torrent, have dinner and it should be ready, if not do for about 2 hours and its ready. Hook the laptop into TV, I'm watching whatever movie in 1080p. Now if I wanted to do it legally, then I would have to have a BD disk reader, but the download is instant, right off the BD. Which is why I think a BD drive would be far more popular then support for SSDs.

 

I hope you are all aware that pirating licensed media is illegal, and discussing methods of pirating licensed media will lead to a direct ban of your forum accounts.

Regardless, this topic has sort of gone off topic so I'm closing it before things really get out of hand.