For those state apple does not promote "planned obsolescence"

https://www.imore.com/apple-might-b...reason-finally-upgrade-their-2012-macbook-pro

Listing a perfectly capable notebook as "obsolete" therefore, giving owners no way of fixing because they are not being supported by apple repair centers or partners, and I am sure no more OS updates.

I love their business model. Sell ridiculously overpriced laptop. Make owner think it's the best thing since sliced bread for 5 years, then slowly throw them under the bus.

 

Apple has been doing this since time immemorial. Does it suck? Yeah, but let's not pretend it's a recent development. And it's not as if the computer will magically stop working the day it's put on these lists. Also, do you have the same vitriol toward companies like Samsung who barely support their phones for 2-3 years?

 

Yes actually. Samsung phones are terrible. actually most anything running android. I have a galaxy note on my desk that I shelled out a buttload of money for, and it's now a paperweight with my macbook. Apple has the phone market nailed. since they promote long term usage of their phones. The exact opposite of what they promote on their PC side. As I mentioned earlier, my 2007 acer can download, install and run windows 10 2004. All drivers update and I have a completely functional system. Apple, after 5 or so years. you have a paperweight. My 2007 macbook is junk at this point except for collectors. also, they force you to not be able to download software you paid hundreds of dollars for. It's terrible. You pay mental amounts of money for a macbook, and 5 years later you might as well throw it in the dumpster.

my 2007 acer was 200 dollars cheaper than my macbook in 2007, meanwhile, today, it's still 100 percent usable. Every port, every function every piece of software. Now, please tell me where the value is. Oh, I know. that glowing apple logo in starbucks, right. that's where the value is.

 

You're upset about Apple discontinuing parts support for a 10 year old laptop? Pray tell, name another OEM who maintains parts inventory for a 10 year old product? Could it be that maybe they cant source parts anymore because, oh I don't know Intel stopped making Sandybridge parts years ago?

 

I agree with @Sentential, the laptop is coming up on 10 years old. For anyone who utilizes their computer, that's for sure obsolete. No manufacturer carries parts for laptops 10 years later and they won't repair them. If your 3 year old Dell laptop breaks and you have a warranty, they will just upgrade you to a newer laptop. This solution is far cheaper than making enough inventory and storing it to support laptops greater than 3 years.

Yes your 2007 Acer is still usable to you, but that is YOU. I wouldn't buy an Apple product, they don't peak my interest in any way, but that is ME...

 

You can still source parts that are NEW for most any other laptop. I can order new battery, HD, ram and more for my 2007 acer, why stop getting them to the private repair stores or directing customers to them? PREY TELL!!!!!

 

Basically this

You do realize that batteries are interchangeable and are not patented or custom designed in such a way that 3rd parties can manufacture them. This isn't the case for logic boards and so forth and as stated by the previous poster those items are not easily made Apple or anyone. All you're doing is creating click-bait and perpetuating the notion that Apple is bad when that simply isn't the case. Furthermore all the interchangeable parts you reference are replacable on that model including the battery and HDD.

 

Just because you can't download the absolute most current operating system on a computer doesn't mean it all of a sudden stops working.

Citation needed.

People pay insane amounts of money for laptops like the Razer Blade, Dell XPS, Asus Zenbook, all of which have similar/varying degrees of parts that cannot be upgraded so they will be in the exact same position. Apple was just ahead of the curve. Again, doesn't make it right, but you can't pretend to be outraged at Apple when this is happening across the industry.

 

Going to second this, while the hardware is better the most common 15" Alienware is ~$2500 (i7/2060) and the equivalent system from Apple is also around $2500 (RX5500/512/i7)

 

I totally understand that logic boards are not available but apple is basically telling people who have these devices, to piss off and not visit our repair centers for anything. HDD failures? nope, want to add ram? NOPE. Maybe a new battery? you are SOL!

 

Alienware is not competiton for macbooks. XPS is.

apple macbook pro 13 with 32gb 1tb ssd and i7 - 3,399.00 can dollars
https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/buy-m...-processor-with-turbo-boost-up-to-3.8ghz-1tb#

Dell XPS new 13 32gb 1tb ssd and i7 - 2,155.00 can dollars.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/member/s...h-laptop/spd/xps-13-9300-laptop/xn9300cto242s

SO, no. the apple tax is alive and well if you compare "apples" to "apples".

Again apples to apples

xps 15 with 2tb of SSD 64gb ram is 2,988.00 canadian
apple macbook pro 16 64gb ran 2tb of SSD is 4999.00 Canadian.

 

Sure if you're comparing custom builds it costs more. In general no one buys custom builds but rather either the standard 16" or the standard 13". More often than not most people wait for sales as I do so that's not a fair comparison.

EG:
https://slickdeals.net/f/14094380-a...m-256gb-ssd-1100-free-shipping?src=SiteSearch

https://slickdeals.net/f/14069651-a...radeon-pro-5500m-2299-free-s-h?src=SiteSearch

XPS buyers are not typically Mac buyers either. If you're buying high end you're buying high end and XPS ain't it. Precision maybe.

 

You are wrong but I'm done with arguing.

 

Not servicing a 10 year old laptop has nothing to do with planned obsolescence.

Something my 9 year old nephew would say

 

I’m not Apple’s fan by any means, but this isn’t really fair to call them out on. I don’t know a single PC vendor that supports products for longer than 5-6 years, and Apple managed to exceed that to support a product for nearly 8 years. Dell was out of critical M18x R2 parts as early as 2015, just 3 short years after introducing the machine.

Soldering RAM and solid state drives and coding the home button to the phone would be far more important points to draw ire to.

 

The message I got was you own one of these don't bring it to a repair center for anything. As I mentioned before. Last I checked most everything in the 12 mbp is serviceable. No apple does not need to supply parts. But the message was don't fix it if anything goes wrong, buy our new model you can't fix.

No its something a sane person would say. He was wrong. Mbp potential buyer are also xps buyers if they are not drinking apple Kool aid and are actually shopping based on specs and comparisons. So, I'm done with arguing with him.

 

And that is correct. Neither Apple nor its authorized service providers will work on those systems after June 30. This has been the company's standard operating procedure with literally every computer it has ever made. That doesn't mean you can't take it to an independent shop for them to attempt a repair.

Retina and non-retina versions have replaceable storage. The latter have user-serviceable RAM and optical drives.

You're conflating the tone of the article with what Apple's actual policy is, which again I will remind you, is not new.

 

Again, I thought that at this point the only places who were allowed to repair apple products were authorized service providers. That they flattened independent repair shops from doing repairs on apple products. More or less they put software snoops in apple devices to detect non "apple authorized" parts.

 

But if the ram and storage are upgradeable than they can be worked on by an independent facility. Apple blocks the right to repair other ways, but this isn't one...

It's too bad Dell is following in the footsteps of apple when it comes to soldering everything on, it puts it in the same unrepairable category. I'm going to sell my 7390 because I just don't want to deal with it.

 

OK. I thought they were blocking all unauthorized repairs.

 

Those are hardly equivalent. Alienware is overpriced, but not to anywhere near Apple levels.

$2,529 Alienware:
i7-10750H
32 GB DDR4 @ 2666 mhz
RTX 2070 Super
1.5 TB SSD
300 hz 1080P Display

$2,399 Macbook Pro:
i7-9750H
16 GB DDR4 @ 2666 mhz
Radeon Pro 5300M
512 GB SSD
16 inch retina display

Those are not remotely comparable.
3x the storage in the alienware, double the RAM, slightly faster CPU, and the GPU comparison is laughable. 2070 Super is over 2.5x the performance of a Radeon 5300M.

 

I would not bother comparing alienware and apple. The only PC that can be compared to Apple, is the Razer blade seeing as these are the only two with CNC milled aluminum chassis. Even then, razer offers better performance per dollar. however, their support leaves something to be desired although you can circumvent this with a best buy or ms store warranty

 

Not sure how the chassis varies, but I have a Tongfang chassis that is labeled as aluminum polycarbonate, I doubt it's significantly different.

 

Polycarbonate = plastic.

Xps is directly compared with Macbook pros since they are directly aimed at the same customer.

 

Aluminum is not plastic. The chassis is metal and rigid, it's just coated in polycarbonate so that it isn't easily scratched, and stays cool to the touch.

 

Seriously. You need to learn some terms.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/polycarbonate

It's aluminum coloured plastic. Or plastic with a thin sheet of aluminum over it. Aluminum is metal and polycarbonate is not metal. It's a contradiction

 

No, it's definitely not. It's an aluminum chassis with a rubberized coating.



That's not aluminum colored at all. It's black. If it was a plastic chassis it would not be nearly as thin as it is. Plastic chassis have to be thicker and heavier to be rigid, and even then they aren't anywhere near this rigid. This is a 4.17 pound, 0.78 inch thick laptop that's incredibly rigid with a body made of aluminum.

Maybe actually know what a laptop looks like or feels like before trying to tell its owner what it's made of.

A 16" macbook pro is 0.64 x 14.09 x 9.68 inches

This is 0.78 x 14.17 x 9.58, it's incredibly comparable.

Macbook pro weighs .13 pounds more as well.

Lighter, more powerful, and runs cooler. All around superior build quality IMO.

 

I'm telling you what it is. What it looks or feels like is moot. If they say it's aluminum polycarbonate it's not aluminum. Simple. See my previous post with the dictionary definition of polycarbonate. It is what it is. Polycarbonate is thermoplastic. Nothing more.

FYI, there is absolutely nothing wrong with polycarbonate, I think it's the best material for most tech since it's light and strong. My lumia 1020 was poly, and was the best, most durable phone I ever owned. If felt premium and metallic, but was way better, durability wise. Just because it's plastic don't make it cheap.

 

You seem to not understand that you can take a metal chassis, and coat it in polycarbonate. That does not make it a plastic chassis.

You're not telling me what it is. You're, incorrectly, telling me what you think it is.

 

Polycarbonate is freaking plastic. I am telling you exactly what it is. You refuse to comprehend what that is. Aluminum is not polycarbonate.

 

Are you done making stupid strawman arguments?

I did not argue that polycarbonate is not plastic.

I stated that you can take a piece of metal, and coat it in plastic, and that doing so does not turn the underlying metal into plastic. It's still a metal chassis even if it's coated in plastic.

Seriously, how is this so hard for you to understand? Do you not natively speak English?

It's the same chassis as the Eluktroniks Mech-15.



Repeatedly referred to as aluminum in reviews. It's body is absolutely, 100%, primarily aluminum.

 

Lets calm down a little bit here.

The tongfang does have aluminum components and some polycarbonate components. The same can be said for the XPS, there are plastic case components as well.

 

Facepalm

That's what I have been saying. It's not an aluminum chassis like the Macbook. It's plastic, and arguably better. However, he refuses to see it.

 

polycarbonate is a plastic. aluminum polycarbonate is just like lenovo's magnesium -alloy chassis is a plastic-metal composite. Neither are solid cnc milled aluminum.

As far as I know, only Razer and Apple use CNC milled aluminum unibody chassis.

 

Magnesium is a metal as well. Magnesium and aluminum can mix to form a metal, polycarbonate and aluminum cannot. They probably impregnated the polycarbonate with aluminum beads to color it. Again, it's not bad, just not metal.

 

Taking a look at that laptop link it looks lite it's a mix of separate Aluminum albeit quite thin (much of the chassis) and Plastic (ie screen frame paneling, bottom cover etc) parts, which is isn't that uncommon. However I wouldn't put that at the same league as an XPS/Precision or MacBook body build quality wise.

 

Agreed.

 

I agree with this for the most part. I would have thought they could still offer some servicing, maybe upgrade an SSD or replace a screen? Isn't the panel the same on the 2012 retina as the 2013 and 2014? But overall eight years is still quite good for Full Support.

My take on this has always been if you want a very thin and portable laptop you will have to deal with soldered components. If you want upgradable components you will need to buy a slightly thicker laptop, there are plenty of them about. Perhaps there are machines out there that do both, although I can't think of any off the top of my head.

 

The XPS 15 (9500) and XPS 17 (9700) thankfully have replaceable ram and SSDs. The only thing soldered on them is the wifi card. They have other issues though that will preclude me from purchasing them.

 

The Razer Blade 15 and 17 have upgradable WiFi, RAM, and storage, with some models even having two M.2 slots available. The 13-inch Blade Stealth has soldered RAM, but you can change out the wireless card and SSD. So it's certainly possible to have user-serviceable components in a thin-and-light.

 

Good point! As it happens the SSD and Wi-Fi are changeable on my MacBook Pro as well. I can't comment on the newer models though! But I'm fairly sure at least the SSD can be changed.

 

While the SSD in a new MacBook Pro can technically be removed, you can’t replace it because of the T2 security chip.


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hmmmm okay, walking that line between useful technology and removing upgradability imo

 

I don’t understand why people would throw good money after bad - let the 2007 machine retire peacefully.

 

Why retire when it still works perfectly with current software.