Here's why there is not a $129 SL upgrade for Tiger users. Tiger users save money here.

So if you are a Tiger user and want to get Snow Leopard but are stuck wondering why there is no $129 version of just Snow Leopard and you have to buy the Box Set for $169 to get the upgrade well here's why, Apple's not going to sell the same thing for two different prices in their stores or web site. What do I mean? The $29 version of Snow Leopard is a FULL install disk not just a upgrade, it does not know if you are on Tiger or Leopard. So you can install Snow Leopard from Tiger using that disk. So Tiger users save your $140 and buy the $29 disk and enjoy Snow Leopard.

***This is just what I have read and heard, It should work, and it's worth a try, if it does not work, (It's not my problem > ) just take it back and say you didn't know it wouldn't work. But it should work. ***

 

So in other words this is just an unconfirmed rumor that you are repeating, but don't know for sure! Gotcha!

 

It only makes sense. They are selling the disk that you can do a full install with. Why wouldn't you be able to do a full install on a Mac with Tiger? Just trying to spread the word to help people save money. If some one does not want to take the time to try this and rather spend $169 to get the same disk fine.

 

unless the machine looks for leopard.. and also checks it own database to know if the machine its installing on came with leopard... I think the speculation spread as fact should be ignored until the retail version is in our hands.

 

That is exactly what I am saying! This is just a unconfirmed rumor until proven to be a fact. It doesn't necessarily mean it makes sense, it may not work that way at all for Tiger users because if it looks for Leopard they are screwed!

 

hopefully some mac fan of worshipper here has both leopard on his new mac and tiger on his old mac. we'll be able to confirm then.

 

I'm looking at Sam.

But regardless, you could just purchase a copy of Leopard from a third party retailer (Amazon for example) or second hand.

 

yes, Sam has the old gen macbook white i believe.

 

lol what a useless post. Thats just all speculation.

I read somewhere that its speculated that all the Snow Leopard disks checks if you are a Tiger user or a Leopard user. So I guess until someone does it, its up in the air.

Anyway, a buddy of mine still has Tiger. Maybe I can convince him to buy snow leopard.

 

This would me you wouldn't be able to install on a new hard drive. And that you would need a internet connection to install. Witch it is very unlikely. The only reason Apple wants you to buy the box set is the get the $129 it didn't get from you for leopard.

*Edit*
Walt Mossmerg said this in his review.
http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090826/apple-changes-leopards-spots/

 

i never implied anything as such. I merely said a possibility thats as useful as all the other speculation. A database as a list of machines that came with leopard would be extremely small and on the DVD, not some online check...

MS got around "upgrade" checks by making the installer look for qualifying products. You could install "Upgrade" versions of Windows on a clean drive, by just inserting a disk to show the installer you had a previous version even if it was uninstalled. I was just speculating that might be the case, while a small database of machines that would be exempt from the check because its already known they came with leopard.

My total point was that speculating about it wont help much....


but it does seem multiple sources are saying Tiger users can use the $29 upgrade, but it wont upgrade, they have to do a clean fresh install with it.

 

Wall Street Journal and Wired ( via AppleInsider) today both report successfully using a SL upgrade disc to do a direct upgrade from Tiger to SnowLeopard, as well as through a clean install. It still leaves the potential compatibility problems of SL with older Tiger applications, but the OS appears to work fine.

In addition, MacWorld's review notes that the $29 disc is a bootable FULL INSTALL disc that does *not* check for presence of 10.5.x prior to proceeding with the install, which will simplify any OS reinstall that we might do down the line if/when it becomes necessary.

This is rapidly becoming less speculation than factual, it seems .

 

Yup that's how it looks

 

So is the $29 SL disk the same as the one Apple's charging $9.99 for those who got Macs recently?

 

As far as I know it is

 

Maybe, No one knows what kind of disk they are getting, but it probably is the same.

 

Mine says MC204Z/A (no M in there).

 

It should be noted, however, that upgrading Tiger via this route is a EULA violation, since the license states that as an upgrade it can only be applied to 10.5.x Leopard installs.

This may/not be an issue that people will consider if they have an older Tiger install on their machine.

 

While it probably works, it is indeed a violation of the EULA, just as much as it would be if you were installing to any other device on which the version contents are not licensed to operate.

As such, is not the nature of discussion of this thread itself a violation of the rules of this message board?

Most of Apple's installation schemes are incumbent upon the honor of those willing to follow the EULA. Just ask anyone with OSX on their Dell.

 

What does the EULA say about installing it on a clean hard drive? I doubt you can actually upgrade Tiger this way, you would have to do a clean install. What does the EULA actually say? If it says "that as an upgrade it can only be applied to 10.5.x Leopard installs." that might be because it can't upgrade Tiger.

 

I plan on upgrading to SL from Tiger. I don't know a whole lot about how apps run... Does anyone know what apps may or may not work if you do a clean install of SL from Tiger? Specifically, will iLife 08 work?

 

iLife will work. Applications will work as long as they are not some sort of a hack or enhancement of the OS itself or a system application (such as iTunes, Quicktime, Safari etc.)

 

Seshan:
Please see my earlier post before yours yesterday, linking to reports that confirm this upgrade installation path for Tiger to SnowL as working (you still have the EULA license issue) being accomplished by major reviewers. While I haven't personally seen the license text yet (my copy arrives this PM from FedEx), all reports I've seen discuss that the license is granted only to *upgrade Leopard 10.5.x* even though it works fine either from Tiger or as a clean install as the DVD is a full install disc.

 

maybe the next time you bring your macbook in for servicing at the apple store they can somehow detect that your tiger machine you used the 29 upgrade disk and deny you service for violating their eula.

 

Seshan,

Here is the verbiage directly from the Snow Leopard Eula which I downloaded from Apple's Website. The excerpt pertains to the upgrade disk of which this thread is using as its subject.

C. Leopard Upgrade Licenses. If you have purchased an Upgrade for Mac OS X Leopard license, then subject to the terms and conditions of this License, you are granted a limited non-exclusive license to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer as long as that computer has a properly licensed copy of Mac OS X Leopard already installed on it.

Does that clear it up?

It is a violation of the EULA to use the upgrade disk on a machine for which you don't have Leopard. However, I don't think it reasonable that Apple would enforce the provision if you were doing a clean install, so long as you already have/had a licensed copy of Leopard for the unit.

 

K so what does the Snow Leopard EULA from the Box set say?

 

There is only one EULA for OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard (whether it is purchased stand alone, or as an upgrade license). The details within the EULA document outline the specifics for the differing versions/license variations.

Here is the document location on Apple's website:
http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/

 

I am on Tiger right now, and planning to do the jump to Snow Leopard (I didn't go for Leopard back then). Still waiting on more information as far as $29 vs. box set goes. EULA, upgrading, still seems fuzzy at the moment, so I'm going to sit back and wait .

 

Okay so I'm looking at the EULA right now (About to install SL ) It says this.

So I think this means that C. Leopard Upgrade Licenses (The one you posted is a Upgrade disk (the $10 one) a Single Use License is the $29 one. So it says nothing about not being able to install it on a Tiger machine so that means it is not against Apples EULA from what I can tell.

 

no... the $10 is an up-to-date upgrade license...

the $29 is a leopard upgrade license...

the full price one bundled with iLife and iWork is the only single use standard license one they are selling right now

 

Then where is the EULA for the Up-to-date upgrade?

 

right there... its an upgrade license, which is why when you order it they call it an upgrade...

 

Then why do they have a family pack EULA if they aren't selling one that's not a upgrade.

 

they are...

they are selling and upgrade in a special program at a discount for $10...

they are selling a normal upgrade for $29

they are selling a family pack upgrade for $49

they are selling a full version with bundled apps for $169

they are selling a full version with bundled apps family pack for $229

 

I just picked up Snow Leopard Upgrade; will install later on my Tiger MacBook. And just a note to everyone, NBR is fine with discussion regarding this Upgrade-from-Tiger situation; whether it violates any EULAs is another concern but it's fine to talk about here.

And if anyone is wondering why I didn't go for Mac Box Set, it's because I already have iLife 08 and really didn't need iLife 09 or iWork 09.

 

So the UTD SL disk does not have iLife 09? I plan on clean installing SL but my iLife 09 is part of my Leopard install. Unless I can use the Leopard Disk 2 to reinstall iLife 09 (?).

 

As far as I can tell, Snow Leopard is an automatic smooth upgrade and not a Clean Install - if you want to Clean Install you use your Tiger/Leopard discs. Everything was kept the same, so you won't lose your iLife or even any third-party applications!

 

Just installed 10.6 10A432 on old macbook black with T7200/GMA950 no problem.

 

Correction Sam (and this is my first ever to Sam), if you want to do a clean install of SL, from the install screen go to Utilities- Disk Utility from the Menu Bar, from there you can do a full erase and format. Then you go back to the installer and proceed with installing SL on your now empty drive.

 

Yeah. I just saw a youtube video showing it ( here). Pretty straight forward to clean install. That's what I plan on doing when I get the disk and then use Migration Assistant to reload my stuff from a previous time machine backup.

 

What about just booting into the disk for a clean instal? holding option on restart.

 

I think it defaults to Upgrade install that way. You have to access Disk Utility from the disk, format/erase the drive and then proceed with install. AFAIK that's the only way to clean install using the UTD disk.

 

I just wanted to mention that I have successfully upgraded from Tiger to Snow Leopard with the $29 Leopard upgrade. Everything went well, however, I learned that backing up iPhoto does not back up your photos. I'm trying not to be upset about that, but it's good to have a clean start.

Feel like I have a new computer now. No regrets on skipping Leopard.

 

did you actually upgrade from Tiger to Snow Leopard, or did you erase Tiger off and do a clean install of Snow Leopard?

 

It erased your photos? That sucks, maybe I should back up my photos manually before taking my Leopard to SL.

 

I did an erase and install.

Yes, I backed up iPhoto but apparently that only backs up the actual app, not your photos along with it. I'm kind of disappointed with that. I haven't been able to find out any solid info on why. But I would advise you to save your photos separately.

 

how did you "backup" iPhoto? you just made a copy of the iPhoto.app? it doesn't store pictures inside of it...

 

I was thinking the same thing. Probably forgot to backup the file "iPhoto Library". Although a Time Machine backup would have it, no?

 

I think it was confirmed from an article or somewhere on arstechnica/gizmodo/engadget/digg, one of those sites that you can upgrade to SL from Tiger.

But you have to install it the old fashioned way (which I did anyway). By old fashion, I mean insert the disc, reboot and hold "c", go into the installer via disc and use the disc utility to format the main drive and off ya go!

 

I originally did a direct upgrade from Tiger to SL - very smooth process. Just press Install and after an hour its done. Nothing changed (except the UI ), all the applications and files are there untouched. I just did a reinstall later to clean up old files .