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    Ipad. Can you installed K-lite Mega Codec Pack?

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by baibaiman, Mar 17, 2010.

  1. baibaiman

    baibaiman Notebook Guru

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    I am considering to get the new ipad to play video.
    I do a lot of video editing and others.
    My question is, Can you installed K-lite mega codec pack or others software to play many video format to Apple Ipad?
     
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    iPad is not a computer... and K-Lite is only for Windows...
     
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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    the iPad is a computer, but K-Lite is only for Windows.

    and you cannot install codec packs of any kind onto the iPad.
     
  4. Amnesiac

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    As stated before, it's simply not possible.
     
  5. Xhibit

    Xhibit Notebook Evangelist

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    If its not in the app store, its not guna be on your ipad.
     
  6. akin_t

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    Yeah a computer without a file system ... Computer indeed.
     
  7. Xhibit

    Xhibit Notebook Evangelist

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    Well its technically a computer, but so is any mp3 player, even a toaster is an integrated circuit and by definition a "computer." From a classification standpoint, the iPad is not a computer. If a developer can't write a program, and dependently offer it for installation on a device, that device isn't really a computer. In the case of the iPad, everything your put on it comes directly from Apple, in this way its more of a gadget than a computer. Like the OP wants to install K-lite mega codecs, even if K-lite wrote their software for the iPad, Apple probably wouldn't approve it because it duplicates (competes with) the built in media player.
     
  8. ajreynol

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    when the iPad is jailbroken, VLC Player will be available for it, just as it is for the jailbroken iPhone.

    but this guy's post is one of many of what I expect to see where people think they're buying something more capable than a mobile phone. something "better than a netbook". they're going to buy an iPad and find out otherwise. the hard way.
     
  9. dave.ladner

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    This is why I think the iPad is the dumbest thing in the world.
    A larger screened iPhone. That can't make calls.
    So basically a large screen Ipod Touch.
    Useless.
     
  10. sulkorp

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    Without a filesystem? seriously?

    Do some more research before you post things. If a manufacturer doesn't want you to see a filesystem, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    Use a jailbroken iphone/ipod and you'll see it does.
     
  11. Stunner

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    Yeah... noobs.
     
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    dont you mean IF and when? ... somehow I have a feeling Apple is going to try darn hard to keep us out of the iPad and the new iPhone OS... and they may do a better job this time, especially if the crackers dont show much of an interest in breaking it.
     
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    Doesn't the iPad come out in April?....
     
  14. ajreynol

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    no, I mean when.

    if you think Apple can keep the hacking community at bay with a popular piece of consumer electronics, you don't know hacking. at all.

    I think I can think of just one device...ever...that has managed that feat. and even then, it was because the cost of entry was so high.
     
  15. masterchef341

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    so basically you guys think a jailbroken iphone / ipad is a computer, but with the default OS, it is not.

    got it.
     
  16. Xhibit

    Xhibit Notebook Evangelist

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    You can't count jail broken features as functions of the device. The jail breaking community is a small minority of users, and voiding the warranty, then risking bricking a $500-$800 device probably isn't the best idea. And you can't get updates and risk getting banned from the app store. Also consider the device will probably be very resistant to jail breaking. Then you have to consider the difference the time it takes to actually develop jail breaking, and its bugs glitches, you can not even consider jail breaking as a feature point of the ipad. I've jail broken an ipod before, considering the time spend and the glitches encountered afterwords it wasn't worth it at all.
     
  17. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    Sure. I agree, jailbreaking totally isn't worth it. Too much hassle.

    I also note that the difference between "a computer" and "not a computer", in terms of the iphone, is simply whether or not it is jailbroken, from your classification system. I'm not counting jailbreak features as part of the device's feature set. I'm not tallying anything or trying to sell iPhones here, or comparing it to other types of phones. I am just trying to classify the device as computer or not. And if it's jailbroken, it's a computer. If it isn't jailbroken, it's not a computer.

    Perfect?

    A toaster is not a computer. An iPhone is a computer. It is smaller than other types of more common computers, and it is shaped differently. That is OK.
     
  18. AirSinner

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    I'n going to give the iPad 1 week before it gets jailbroken.
     
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    Seshan Rawrrr!

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    The iPad is a computer.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer
    As for jailbreaking the iPad, I think Apple is going to make it a lot harder for it to get jailbroken.
     
  21. Frankeinstein

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    Then my toaster is probably a computer as wel!
     
  22. Seshan

    Seshan Rawrrr!

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    Computers aren't limited to electronics, they had computers thousands of years ago.
     
  23. yuio

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    they have jailbroken the ipod. seeing as the iPad is a ipod with nearly the same OS it should be easy for crackers to break it.

    the ipad is a ipod that has stretched... bulkiness of a netbook, with the OS of a phone, with out a phone... sorry apple I really can't see this being a success.

    oh and it is a computer and so is my calculator.
     
  24. Seshan

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    The iPad is using a different OS version.
     
  25. cdnalsi

    cdnalsi Food for the funky people

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    I can't wait until they jailbreak the iPad.

    Then you'll see the full potential of the device.
     
  26. weinter

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    Potential of ARM Processor...yea rite potential :rolleyes:
     
  27. yuio

    yuio NBR Assistive Tec. Tec.

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    QFT, it doesn't matter how efficient of software you put of a anything if it's slow it's just slow. great software on a 386, it's still a 386...

    A "newer version" doesn't mean "new OS" I'll bet a large quantities of the code will be the same which should make the jailbraking a lot easier. I still think apple would have been better off with the Atom or maybe even a VIA or that snapdragon chip.
     
  28. weinter

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    The amount of research and money poured into x86 optimization is something ARM can never match up to currently.
    The x86(IA-32) we know isn't built in a day.
     
  29. Peon

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    Statements like these make me wonder just how us consumers got so used to being screwed by big companies that it's almost second nature now. We don't even think it's a big deal that the device comes off the assembly line in an extremely gimped state and is only worthwhile when used in a way that goes against the manufacturer's wishes.
     
  30. sulkorp

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    I'm sure it will be harder to jailbreak, but its going to happen.

    Unless it completely flops, it will happen.

    And if a device can do more things while its jailbroken/hacked, then its a feature. It may not be a feature that the manufacturer wanted (or ever intended), its a feature nonetheless. if YOU dont want to use a jailbroken/hacked product, and still complain about the featureset, then thats your problem.
     
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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    an atom? really? over an arm processor? please.

    the arm's big advantage is its awesome battery life, or, more specifically, how little battery power it requires to operate.

    arm is a good thing. snapdragon = arm also, and apple's a4 is almost the same thing. snapdragon is a system on a chip using an arm a8 @ 1ghz (in the nexus one). apple's a4 is also a system on a chip using the arm a8 @ 1ghz...

    the arm chips are a WAY better choice than via chips.
     
  32. Xirurg

    Xirurg ORLY???

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    If you take the actual Processors in question and compare them I am quite sure the Atom will emerge Victorious although it will also consume more power.
    Not to mention the myriad of ready applications an Atom can run already made it a winner.
     
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    If I'm not mistaken jailbreaking voids the warranty regardless if you can wipe it back. Sure the Genius can't tell if you reset it but you've still effectively violated the license. Let's say the dock connector fails and you can't wipe...is Apple at fault if they won't hand you a new one? It's no different than doing hackintosh even if you buy OS X given it's violating the terms. Buying a new $500-800 end user product to void its warranty adding functionality that should be standard isn't a feature.

    If I buy a BMW 335...the fact that I can hack the ECU and up the boost to give me an extra 100hp isn't a feature of the car. There's more opportunity cost than just buying the software. The car's operating far outside it's design spec and if I launch a piston out the bottom it's totally my fault and I get to pay the replacement cost. If I buy an app from the Apple store that steals my CC info, Apple has liability for facilitating that.

    This isn't putting Linux on your PC. That may not be supported by the manufacturer but if the hd fails you're still covered. If you tweak the BIOS to OC 50% and melt the processor then you've voided the warranty. Jailbreaking an iPhone is little different than building a Hackintosh given it modifies Apple code (which is not part of your license) to achieve unavailable functionality.
     
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    let's also not forget: pre-ordering is easy to do when they're not asking for your money up front.

    me thinks there are a good number of pre-ordering fence-sitters who wanted to have theirs reserved in the event that they want to pick it up...but it's not a sure thing.
     
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    jailbreaking does not affect the hardware. an ECU flash of a car affects the hardware. hackintoshing a PC does not affect that hardware. just re-install the OS. jailbreaking an iPhone has never caused a service issue that I've seen. just go back to the original OS and that's that.

    stop acting like you know what you're talking about. I'm on my 3rd iPhone and have never had a problem getting service with Apple Care on my JB'd phone.

    that's never stopped anyone. if this device is even moderately popular, it will be jailbroken inside of 2 weeks. take that to the bank.

    true story.
     
  38. masterchef341

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    no, no, no. for one, applications aren't made for the atom. atom supports x86, but "all those ready atom applications" are applications compiled for windows, and linux. even if the iPad used the atom it would be too slow to run leopard or snow leopard half decently. atom usually gets paired with xp or linux. Even the faster atom processors aren't enough to handle Vista or OS X, much less the low voltage ones.

    Plus, atom processors primarily focus on being cheap, whereas arm focuses on making processors that are super efficient on the battery, and support unix.

    arm is the way. sorry, atom.
     
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    what's wrong with the atom chip? it's way more scalable and WAY faster. sure it may eat more batterylife but the device will have way more capabilities. for example you could run OS X or windows or a hacked up linux disro. it could run full computer apps... have FLASH, or anything a regular notebook has

    don't bank on some illusion that apple has developed an 'atom-crushing' chip, is just an ARM chip that's it.

    masterchef, sorry I disagree my friend has a hackintosh on a EEEpc with the atom 1.6. it actually runs pretty good.
     
  40. masterchef341

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    oh man. this is so painful.

    os x might barely skate by on a 1.6ghz atom for web browsing and little applications. however, even common os x applications like itunes and garageband, keynote, pages... are moderately heavy by design and aren't going to run well on the atom 1.6

    even worse, the iPad isn't a candidate for a 1.6ghz atom. it would have to use a slower atom, around half the speed.

    last, this device is from apple. the company makes software and hardware that work well together. it isn't about hacking a linux distro and spending your time figuring out how to get the hardware working. it is about opening the thing up and being able to use it for its intended purpose without struggle. if anything, I am disappointed that the iPad didn't get its own OS and is using the iPhone OS, but ARM makes some great ultra-mobile processors.

    flash support isn't a limitation of the arm processor, it is a limitation of the operating system. linux is already available for arm processors. windows is not. the atom chip is faster and a power hog. so it doesn't belong in devices like the iPad or smaller. it belongs in larger devices like netbooks. maybe you don't have a good sense of the size difference between a netbook and the iPad or iPad sized devices. atom has no place in such devices, especially not expensive ones like the iPad.

    Maybe if you wanted lower battery life at a lower cost... but you can't get more performance because you need a bigger class of device to get the faster processors.
     
  41. mishap

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    ^ I'm not saying it affects the hardware. I'm saying that modifying the software isn't covered by the warranty and should Apple change their SOP on dealing w/ jailbroken phones then people have no one to complain to if they brick their phone and Apple won't hand them a new one. I was responding to a person claiming that jailbreaking is a feature when it's technically not. I could glue a Glock to the back of an iPhone for a new convergence personal communication/security device and while the insides of neither is modified, I'm pretty sure the warranty is void on both. I would have the all in one ability to both watch youtube and fend off muggers but I don't think it'd be considered a feature.

    Jailbreaking affects the software license that you OK when you open the box. Hackintoshes discussion is outlawed here...so I don't understand why jailbreaking is considered fine to discuss when hacking OSX isn't kosher? Apple sells the iPhone as a combination software/hardware product and clearly states that modifying their software is a violation of the terms of use.

    I'm not against jailbreaking...or overboosting a Bimmer it can be fun as long as you realize that you are assuming the risk. I'm just saying that it's not a mainstream solution to a problem that shouldn't be. You add risk to an equation that only exists b/c the company wishes more control than the buyer wants. Jailbreaking is IP theft b/c it requires hacking Apple code and violating the terms of your license. Genius bar acceptance isn't necessarily a corporate mandate and should Apple decide that it benefits them more to make you buy their next generation multitasking phone, then that's their right. I've dutifully bought all the necessary OS updates on my g/f's iPod Touch but I've decided that my current Mini is the last Apple product I'll own.

    "Current jailbreak techniques now in widespread use [utilizes] unauthorized modification to the copyrighted bootloader and OS, resulting in infringement of the copyright in those programs."

    http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9127978/Apple_iPhone_Jailbreak_hack_violates_the_law
     
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    Sorry this statement just doesn't cut it just ask the hackintosh guys using Dell Netbooks on Atom...
    Disclaimer :(I am not advocating hackintosh just trying to make a point)
    OS X is about as light as Linux with Windowing Manager which world are you living in?

    Atom focus on energy saving as well just the TDP numbers prove it although it is still not as efficient as ARM.
     
  43. brigadir

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    iPad is glass-window to Apple shops to buy content :)
    at least that is general business model Apple tries following.
     
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    When making statement like this have you asked hackintosh owners how well Atom runs OS X ?
    You have grossly undermined Atom's capabilities...
    The problem with Flash on ARM is adobe hasn't compiled a stable binary that they feel is deployable and the limited ARM Device doesn't justify support costs..

    Personally I dislike Atom but real performance isn't as bad as you imagine. The Instruction Per Clock is better than P4s.
    The reason Windows doesn't have an ARM port because Microsoft finds it is not profitable to support an ARM Port due to limited ARM Devices.
    The reason Linux has an ARM Port is because it is compiled using GCC and as you know GCC compiles on multiple platform and there are guys who are passionate about Linux on ARM and want to support it.
    Thats that nothing to do with performance
     
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    Adobe has been trying to push Flash on arm for a while, because of the huge ARM market that emerged out of nowhere: iPhone, Nexus One, iPod touch, some other Android phones, etc.

    Adobe had flash ready for the iPhone a long time ago, Apple wouldn't allow it. Adobe shifted focus to the Nexus One. They are all ARM based systems. Adobe just demo'd flash 10.1 on the nexus one a few weeks ago. They are all about arm. There are no support cost issues. I don't think anyone is interested in Windows on arm.
     
  46. mishap

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    The ARM market's been around plenty long. My Toshiba e740 from '02 had a 400mhz Intel xScale(Arm v5) and the ability to run Flash 6 (albeit horrendously). Somehow it did run Age of Empires great and I spent hours hunched over it w/ my stylus raiding towns rather than studying. It was running Pocket PC 2002 which is based on CE which ran on MIPS, ARM, and x86.

    Battery life is a different story but hey I had a 3.3" touchscreen, browsing, handango app store, external butterfly keyboard, remote desktop access, and wifi all in a sub 1lb package that cost me $700 in 2002. It was even sweet brushed aluminum and multitasking...I could stay logged into AIM while checking email although performance wasn't great.
     
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    So what if a $700 gatget from 2002 has more features than a $500-$800 ipad in 2010? The ipad has magic!
     
  48. crazycanuk

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    Darn I completly forgot about the e749, and BTW where did you fine AOE for it, that would have been quite nice for me back then?
     
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    This thread delivers.
     
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    It even had a SD and Compact Flash slot built it. It also required an accessory to give it USB but it threw in VGA as well for $99 list price. The thing had an ATI graphics chip too. It was definitely ahead of its time and the greatest failure was Toshiba's lack of build quality. I used a Compaq IPaq w/ 2005 for a class where we programmed a location based service in Squeak that allowed people to scribble notes randomly for others to find. The e740 could still run it despite being almost 3 yrs old at that time.

    The game was on Handango and required a sync to install. It was $19.99 but I don't think I ever beat it.