Is it true that Mac computers don't mess up and they run flawlessly for years?

But, a MAC doesn't at all times have better specs than PC, an mid range laptop is quite comparable to a Macbook pro..while in cars the higher you pay, your getting better braking system, a better Engine etcc..

 

Your bias is pretty obvious. Unlike you, I actually own and use both Mac and Windows machines and have fundamental understanding of the market. Never compare 15" laptops to 13" laptops. Don't assume that "quality" is the same as having the same "specs." Don't mistake Apple as a company targeting 13-year-old kids, and don't think that Asus has to develop, support, and update Windows like Apple has to do with OS X. You have to pay extra for that.

 

"Really?" I feel the opposite. Why would you quote the OPINION of a poster and then counter it?

I wonder how many Mac users try to make their GUI look just like Vista!

 

LOL. Yes, the best way to judge and criticize an OS is to use it on unsupported hardware and with ignorance.

The "pathetic" control panel is for configuration.

 

All the hardware worked but the point is the detection of the equipment and device identification is pathetic.
If you tell me "unsupport hardware" then I can only say poor hardware detection routine because hardware detection should never be hardcoded.

Eg. Disable hardware to reduce device polling to save power.
In Windows Control Panel Device Manager
In OS X you have to remove the kexts manually that is inconvenient

And the power options in OS X is pathetic there is no configuration of individual device just like GUI Linux.
However for Linux you can do hacking to customize the device drivers but nothing for OS X

 

I've used Windows and OSX for so long now that I virtually see no point in why so many people have OS wars. I can find my way around every corner with commands and work comfortably.
At work, I'm confined to a Mac. At home, I use windows.

I personally find that OSX have a tad more hiccups than windows. (*note that both systems use 2.4GHz processors) for what I do.

I think that Apple hides the fact that your computer will/about to crashed by putting a very colorful/pretty spinning cursor. --> "ooohhh! That's a pretty spinning ball! Let me just spend hours looking at it =)"

Windows: *What? A blue screen? I must of did something wrong.

 

Windows does ok error handling by providing a system dump and error code to find out the root cause by scouring the dumpfile and checking error code.
Leaving the computer hanging is the worst form of error handling because it can't even know that something is wrong.

 

Like this one

http://1toppc.com/Merchant2/merchan...e=N81Vp-D1&Category_Code=AS14&Product_Count=1

Its WAY more than what you just asked for, it would make a 9600M GT go cry in the corner, and it is thinner and lighter than what you just gave me as a baseline.

 

None, I can assure you, not one Mac user on this green earth ever tries to make their desktop look like Windows. On the other hand the Windows forum is full of people installing fake docks and themes that have the Finder icon and the Apple menu bar, ha ha. As usual, the Windows world copying the Mac, ha ha.

 

I feel the same way, but things will never change. There's always some kind of versus war.
Apple vs. Microsoft, Nike vs. Reebok, Coke vs. Pepsi, AMD vs. Intel, McDonalds vs. Burger King, Nvidia vs. ATI, the list never ends and people never grow up.

 

What always surprises me is the huge number of people that still need to run Windows on their Mac. I know people that do it for MSN, streaming video, phone apps etc.

And I know every mac enthusiast says everything can run as good on OS X.

And before you start flaming me I am the proud owner of a Macbook Pro 13". With OS X and Windows 7 on it

The hard ware is superior though. (screen, build, trackpad)

 

ok.. your mad because OSX doesn't have a device manager... that makes a bit more sense than saying Control Panel.. which I didn't follow at all.

What hardware do you need to turn off that you need to go to device manager to do it...? If you want super close control of your system that much, the OSX GUI wasn't designed for it. Most people like computers for letting them do the work for you, not making you do it all. Anything that draws enough power to matter can be disabled fairly easy.

 

Not to mention the aluminum, oh the beautiful aluminum.

 

actually a lot of cars have nothing more than fancier trimmings and a different name and nothing else what-so-ever different, and cost a ton more...

a computer has quite a few hundred specs, and if all you look at is the few that matter to you, you wont see the whole picture. Then again you don't need to see the whole picture, its only about what is important to you. But you can't assume because a certain set of specs are important to you that they are important to the next person.

 

I agree, that's what I meant with build.

 

just because some people choose to use certain Windows apps that they know and like, doesn't mean that was their only option or it was forced on them in any way.

 

I don't think that's what he meant. There are equivalents, but some prefer the windows version and visa versa. It's just a matter of preference.

 

In OS X you have to remove the kext manually and reboot.
In Windows Device Manager just disable and you can renable anytime.
By doing this the OS will no long poll for hardware at intervals therefore more power can be saved.
A good OS should have full control over the hardware at anytime.

 

maybe, but...

it said that they had a need, like they had to do it, they had no choice.

there are some people that have a need to run Windows-only software, but I don't think that covers everyone who actually does use some Windows-only software

 

I prefer windows because the versitality. too many small programs I use on a regular basis that are not out there for mac.

when your talking big main stream programs you pay money for that you can find on the store shelves like word, photoshop, nero. yes there is a mac version or some alterenative.

However glovepie, ppjoy, pinicle game profiler, and some of the memory editing tools I use. These small community programs do not have mac versions and many of the games I want to play are not on mac ether.

That is the first nail in the coffin, the 2nd being that performance wise the mac is not going to keep up with my PC laptops (yes my W90 has sweet aluminum too ) and all the while costing more for less (and even more more when you count needing to get bootcamp/windows)

I dont dislike OSX, its a good OS like all things you have to get used too it. Once your used to it its just as good as any other OS.

There is just too many fan boi's on apple side to ever have a good conversation or debate about pc vs mac, seriously.

If you could back up and see the big picture and have a non biased look at the specs, the price, the service, the performance of each machine you would find that right there in black and white that there are windows laptops that beat mac laptops.

Dont even start on the omg super overpriced desktops from mac

 

Yes I meant need. They would prefer to do everything on OS X, but since they want some functionality they need Windows too.

Oh well, I like both. Chocolate and vanilla

 

few people think of themselves as biased, they just believe its other people that are biased, so thats why they come to different conclusions. It can be extremely hard to recognize a bias in yourself.

when dealing with human beings, non-bias is completely impossible.

 

I agree with you but thats why if you just evaluate a product, and this is what you do when reviewing a product as a professional, there is no biased invovled.

Laptop A has a 2.8ghz core 2 duo and gets 8,535 points in 3dmark06 and does wprime in 28.53 seconds.

Laptop B has a 2.8ghz core 2 duo and gets 10,235 points in 3dmark06 and does wprime in 28.53 seconds

stuff like that, you just run the numbers and compile the facts.

When a mac comes with the same cpu, same ram, same gpu, same mobo, same hdd, same monitor, and its just a different case/os/brand.

you just take out what is different and comare what is the same and then go on facts.

A mac will underperform a cheaper windows based laptop based on price, and quality is something I do in facts also.

How many returns, how good is customer service, how good is the warranty.

there are windows based laptop brands with better warranty's, equal service, and lower price.

I have broke my own laptop 3x by doing things to it I shoudlnt have and Asus gave me free overnight shipping both ways and replaced my unit with no questions asked. Thats what I call service.

Also they are the only brand I know with the 1 year accident coverage, meaning things normally no warranty covers are fully covered.

Your laptop is run over by a car, set on fire, goes swiming. Any crazy event like that and its covered.

I consider this service on par and better to that of what Apple gives and people say "you pay extra for the best/better service" so that is knocked out of the water. Asus as a brand I own I can say gives this better/best service for free.

Quality is the same, as the hardware is the same, unless you had a body related issue since that is the only difference and i can say I never had any hardware problems with any of my windows laptops, including the body.

Size/Weight - again not something mac wins at, there are smaller/lighter windows based units out there and a much larger varity of them to choose from. I guess Mac air would be the thinnest laptop out there but even mac users agree its just a pointless product as it has so little hardware power and has a high cost.

I mean what is left?

I seriously thing people are brainwashed by mass media, and the fad effect. "Its cool to own a mac" I have seen people that think like that in person so I know it exists, but I never have met a "its cool to own a PC" person in my whole life.

Just look at trends, it doesnt have to be laptops any trendy item sells and people will claim its the best just because they heard it was best and once they get it they follow the trend. Be it MP3 players, phones, cars.

Apple has a huge trend and fan base, so its one heck of a run away train that nobody is stoping anytime soon, but there are people that jump off and find that the grass can be greener on the other side.

We will find people getting on the mac train too and enjoy the little private part onboard, even if it is isolated from reality

 

like I said.. it can be hard to see... its not always in the exact words you write that its shown, but also in what you choose to write.. what you imply as importance, and other such things.

I've never read any review, even on this site that was unbiased.

 

It is the case however that things like this are always said by people with jaw-dropping biases, usually based on inadequate experience of 'the other side'. I'm an atheist for example, but I do despair at the pig-ignorant, declamatory atheists who worship Dawkins as their deity.

 

Well, this thread has gone nicely out of hand while I was asleep.

Sincere there is a zero tolerance rule against trolling on the Apple forum, warnings and infractions have been dealt, and this thread is now closed.