Jony Ive Leaving Apple

While I don't think this will have an immediate impact for Apple it just signals a continued changing of the guards at Apple and not for the better. When Steve Jobs died I had no doubt that Apple's best days were behind it but it would take time to see that come to light.

Eight years later and it's becoming pretty evident on the impact he had over the company he co-founded. Slowly but surely Apple has reverted back to it's Sculley days and has introduced at times a confusing lineup vs what Steve Jobs knew would work which was to simplify the lineup.

Apple really hasn't offered any MUST-HAVE products since he left the scene and have just milked many of his current offerings. Hate to say it but the Apple Watch is not a must have product.

Jony and Steve were tied to the hip even if at times they butt heads on ideas. But most of Apple's winning designs whether it was the iPod, iPhone, iPad or the first iMac were directed by Steve until it met his approval. Over the years Jony has pushed the limits of his designs to the detriment in the reliability of the product resulting in expensive repairs for the consumer until Apple was pressured to provide a fix.

Some might say but he's not really leaving Apple as they will become his major client. Well on the flipside now he can even go to more extremes in his designs without really having to answer as an employee. It will also take away leverage from Apple if they don't want to lose Jony's designs. Because he will be in high demand from companies other than Apple and you can be sure the biggest Chinese tech companies already have his number at the very top of the list on speed-dial.

 

Did Frank Azor say he joined AMD? If not, Johnny Ive's position will be gobbled up and we might see Apple MBP gaming with fancy lights with same thickness of iPad.
@Papusan

 

Not so sure Azor will joining AMD. Maybe he rather will take over the baton from Jony Ive and jump directly on Apple? Remember he was the main person behind Alienwares transformation ( dramatic change in form or appearance) into Thin, lighweigted and everything soldered. Exactly the way Apple prefer.

Azor plays down job speculation, takes a cryptic swipe at AMD and Dell in the process.

 

Why stop at AMD or Apple? Maybe he can apply his skills at Microsoft or Intel? Wonder how long he and Ryan Stroud could work at the same company at the same time and not go Wolfenstein.

He would feel right at home with the Windows Update division.

 

My personal take is that Apple fired him and the official spiel is that he is "moving on". Ive always required Jobs to direct him accordingly. After Jobs died Ive's designs lacked the usability that Jobs may not have agreed with. There are rumours that people were afraid to question him at Apple and he was granted free reign after Jobs's death. At any rate, his failed designs, or designs he signed-off on as design chief (Apple MacBook Pro keyboard, Trashcan Mac Pro etc.) cost Apple some serious money.

 

I said the exact thing to my wife. He was canned and like everything apple, it's smoke and mirrors.

Let's not forget releasing essentially the same phone for the past 10 years (iOS). And charging a grand for a freaking monitor stand on his resume.

 

Lol, I forgot about the monitor stand!

 

Your wife is really kind. I have usually come across people who hate iSheep_haters!@#*(){}.

 

We are not apple haters. I am replying on my iPad. But, we are not blind loyalists either.

 

Exactly, and that's the point. For as many post I have made that would appear, I dislike Apple, that's not true at all. I own many and have used many Apple products. It's the individuals who hate anything not Apple such as Microsoft or Windows because it's not an Apple product or because it makes them feel better to say it among their peers i.e. group think. That's what I dislike, the Apple loyalists. I have not used any Apple product that I can say, is perfect and I started using Apple products as far back as the Newton.

I can't say that's wrong because I have no proof if he left on his own accord or was fired but remember, that Jony Ive was reported sometime ago wanting to leave Cupertino (strong desire to move back to England with his family). He had distanced himself from design work at Apple and he put/promoted several people in place to oversee Apple designs.

 

I thought it was iPhone 8.
EDIT: Usually current Jokebook Pro don't like to see 800MHz cpu speed when cpu temps hits 99C

 

Just saw this: thought it might be interesting enough to post.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...cket&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=pockethits

 

I have 3 ipads and 4 iphones right now.

I have tried to use macos 3 times previous and always found it backwards in it implementation. Moving back to Windows was a breath of fresh air

 

And see, that is a based on user preference. That's exactly my problem with Apple's loyalists. Because they prefer and are used to working with MacOS they say Windows is crap, garbage or they make up some FUD to justify using MacOS.

I can ACCEPT someone saying I use MacOS because I like it or am used to working with it over the years, it's what I prefer to use. Someone saying that, I can accept, but to call another OS crap, garbage or start putting out misinformation saying that using Windows is asking for all kinds of malware and viruses is just plain false. Over the yrs I have visited some fishy websites and in 24 yrs I have encountered 2 viruses/malware on my PC's and one of them was on purpose just to see what it would do.

Windows 10 is no longer Windows XP or Windows 95. It's a very advanced operating system that works perfectly fine for millions if not billions of users around the world. Microsoft has tightened the security of Windows 10 and you can expect several AV and Malware definition updates per day. It also has a very good ransomware feature built in and you can make Windows Defender/Security as aggressive as you want including blocking folders from being written to.

So again, it boils down to what a user prefers for whatever reason but the Apple loyalists still can't let go of the Windoze, Winblows remarks when in fact Linux, Windows 10 is on par with what MacOS is doing today. Each OS has it's different take on how to do things, i.e. MacOS uses Keychain and Windows uses Windows Credentials. MacOS has Mission Control and Windows 10 has a similar feature Task View whereas MacOS still doesn't have the feature I use a lot in Windows which is window peek.

Windows 10 has also gotten to the point where the Windows 10 App Store in some ways is better than the MacOS App Store.

So that said i'm typing this comment on my Mac. How's that for diversity?

 

My lucky number!!!!

 

Yes the old Mac does not get virus or blue screens. Those are always good remarks. The Mac has more viruses than ever now, and the spinning beach ball is always fun to watch. Hey, I guess it's better since apple gives you something to watch while your computer locks up. Ha ha

 

A Jony Ive Interview From Five Years Ago Reveals He’d Resign From Apple if the Company Stopped Innovating wcftech.com 1 July 1, 2019


Apple's Ive Reportedly Unhappy With Operations Guy Cook's Passionless Lack Of Design Interest hothardware.com | 1 July 1, 2019

But, but Tim Cook Says Innovation Is Expensive. And design is into this pot from what I know. When will CrApple's Ceo Cook finally see his bean counting will ruin the company?

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Insn't Innovation needed when you see everything go into Hell? Apple Is ‘Facing the Reality of Market Saturation

 

This is why I knew that when Steve Jobs was no longer around the company would be in decline. And it's not just me but the tech media who have been asking the question, where are all these Apple innovative products? Tim Cook kept replying, they're in the works. Meanwhile Apple has rehashed all of it's products with the exception of their Watch and Airpods which if you listen to them, sound like crap. I was able to buy a pair of Aukey B80 Bluetooth earphones which sound utterly fantastic and blows away the Airpods and even sound better than their wireless BeatsPro. Their Airpods cost $150, the BeatsPro's cost $250. My Aukey B80's cost me $40 and they sound just as good as wired earphones.

This is what I expected from the post Steve Jobs era and it will get worse especially as sales continue on a downward trend and they need to keep their sales trending upward to pay for their fancy London, NY, Paris, Berlin stores. So this is a telling sign as to why they are moving to services because unlike Steve Jobs no one at Apple has the vision to think outside the box and create "must have products".

 

From the WSJ article it seems that Ive just stopped showing up for work and didn't adhere to his responsibilities in guiding the design team, which put them under a lot of stress. The executive asked some pertinent questions about whether the Apple watch would be a compelling purchase for consumers instead of just an 'add-on' luxury. Ive seem to have stewed over that as the watch was his pet project. Cook eventually gave Ive the go-ahead which resulted in Apple selling only a quarter of its projected iwatch sales and leaving thousands of the $17,000 gold designer watches unsold.

Frankly, if I acted like this where I work I'd be fired.

 

That's right up there with Sony marketing the Playstation 3, thinking gamers would buy it even without games just because Sony made it. They were taught a lesson about arrogance when Nintendo and Microsoft showed them up with the Nintendo Wii and the Xbox 360.

Does Jony Ive or anyone at Apple realize what $17,000 can buy you in a watch? How about a beautiful timepiece such as a Tag Heuer or Rolex? And neither one will ever be outdated because they don't require WatchOS.

 

Apple CEO Tim Cook Isn’t Too Pleased With WSJ’s Report on Jony Ive; Calls the Story ‘Absurd’

With Apple’s Design Chief Jony Ive having departed from the company, WSJ came out with a report implying that the company CEO Tim Cook had a different vision for the technology giant as opposed to Ive. Slamming the publication, Tim Cook responded to the WSJ, saying that the report was ‘absurd’ and details of the text didn’t match what was really going on.

Why so upset?

 

Great article and thanks for posting it, but as a quick note this is why I like to see a title for a link - and even a little text for context - so I know where I am about to go and spend time - this title would motivate me to click and read instead of passing it by...

History Will Not Be Kind to Jony Ive
Ive, Apple's Chief Design Officer, is leaving the company. He leaves a legacy that made its products hard to repair and impossible to upgrade.
By Jason Koebler | Jun 27 2019, 3:13pm
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ywyjmw/history-will-not-be-kind-to-jony-ive

"...Under Ive, Apple began gluing down batteries inside laptops and smartphones (rather than screwing them down) to shave off a fraction of a millimeter at the expense of repairability and sustainability."

But.. Windows 10 is crap. The Windows 10 QA is crap. The Windows 10 updates are crap. The Windows 10 snooping in on our private lives is crap - and doesn't happen with MacOS X and the MacOS application environment doesn't encourage making money off of their owners as captive privacy victim's.

And, actually except for a little paint and polish, a little too much eye candy and BS that blinks and flashes where I don't need it to blink and flash, Windows 10 is far less enjoyable than Windows XP / Windows Vista / Windows 7, and to many Windows 10 is a needless bunch of excess that no one needs or wants, and Windows 10 still is less stable due to constant updates and upgrades - putting Windows 10 in a constant state of bugginess.

Windows 10 is awful, and I say that as I just locked down another Windows 10 install from all the snooping and updates problems, killed off a ton of background processes which were kicking on the fan's too so much it was funny.

Now it runs quietly all the time it's idle, and of course has a lot of fan noise when gaming or otherwise putting the CPU / GPU to use. In another wave of changes to come I'll replace the start menu goofery and take to task as much of the performance sapping as I can while adding system level IP blocking - in addition to Chrome/Firefox/etc extensions for blocking and privacy.

Neither OS's are to my liking, but Windows 10 is far worse than previous generations of Windows or MacOS X.

 

Hmscott, I beg to differ. Windows 10 is much better than MacOS, or any previous version of windows. That being said, Now that Ive is gone, apple is free to move into the present and future. Create a macbook 2 in 1 with touch and pencil support, a true surface type device from an ipad running full macOS (touch version of course). Get rid of the thinness at the expense of longevity design culture that ive has created (wrongly I might add), and get rid of the freaking notch and farceID. Bring back touch ID and other features that were better but were removed for the sake of something "new". Time for Apple to step up now and become a force in the mobile electronics world like never before.

I will sit back and see if Tim put Ive Wannabes in charge of design, or fresh new thinkers.

 

That still falls under what a person prefers. I don't have those issues with Windows 10 so i'm not saying it's perfect but I don't find the OS crap either. The same goes with my views on MacOS. Keep in mind that Windows 10 is now essentially free so it is a service OS much like Linux. So I can understand how Microsoft is now treating the Windows platform i.e. "beggars can't be choosy" and that's how it also works for the Windows 10 Insider's Program. That group can legally use Windows 10 even if they have never purchased a Windows operating system.

My biggest beef with Windows 10 are the updates, besides that the OS for me does what I need it to and accomplishes it's purpose.

 

For those of us that can master these OS's, sure it comes down to a preference, and my preference isn't needing to worry about upgrades going bad or worrying about if the lockout's for upgrades will hold or will MS find a way around them and push through another update / upgrade when I am not looking. That's really annoying.

For everyone else out there that has little enough computer experience to do their work and play, to be met head-on with Windows 10 issues many times a year with upgrades that might change their work or play actions - things changing to cause them to be unable to continue without figuring out what went wrong and how to back it out.

That's not open to personal choice, especially when MS pushed hard on hardware vendors to stop supporting Windows 7 / 8.1 on new hardware.

Windows 10 is a crap choice when it's forced on you with no alternatives and on top of that MS forces updates and upgrades unless you are savvy enough to find the ways to block them.

I shouldn't have to worry about the things I need to worry about with Windows 10, and neither should anyone else.

 

But again the rules have changed when the OS became a service thus becoming free to anyone who owns Windows 7 on up. It's much like MacOS where it's free for anyone who owns a Mac that is still supported by Apple. The update issue can become annoying to some but for the average user it probably isn't, such as those who are running a base packaged system just to log onto the internet, do their banking, watch videos and get their email.

The updates became a problem for some when Windows switched to a service because now instead of having a 3-4 year rollout plan, now it's become like Linux where the updates are on schedule every 6-7 months so that becomes a challenge when bugs get introduced. This is how the industry has shifted to, unfortunately. It's the same problem for Linux as well as MacOS and also Apple's iOS platforms. It's the nature of the beast because now they are trying to add new features or make things fresh while potentially breaking stuff that used to work. So because they've either changed, added or removed certain things to their code things may get a little wonky until they address those issues. Rinse and Repeat !

 

Does Innovation == Ask more than 10x money for a product that really costs 1/10th of the price if mass produced! OR Maybe more salary gives rise to better innovation.
I feel innovative product must be priced reasonably so that most people can buy w/o drilling into fine details.

He might gift Patek Phillipe with Apple logo as a gift every week for his loved ones just for giggles.

 

Your definition of innovative is wrong. Innovation pushes "whatever" forward. Then, other companies make things that you innovated less expensive. That's how the world works.

 

I didn't say it was my definition but way of selling innovative products. If innovative product costs 10x then it will be out of the market in a year due to poor sales.

 

Was this below one of Jony Ive's reasons for his goodbye to Apple? Apple May Be Releasing New Low-End MacBook Pro Model He didn't like the cheap move forward.

 

Yeah maybe it was diverging from their Premium segment ideas and Tim was worried MBPs will things of the past like Windows Mobile and phones.

 

Sorry! Will do.

 

The guy who wrote SJ autobiography says Tim Cook is not a product's guy. Well Duh, really?!

There was only one SJ and according to Walter Isaacson both SJ and Jony Ive were spiritual soulmates at Apple. This just confirms my belief that when SJ left the scene, Apple would never be the same and not in a good way.

 

I mean I like Ive and tbh I think as a designer is the best thing he ever done to leave apple and move towards new ventures, would be good for him to do another products with the new firm he is building plus apple would be able to get into another design style hopefully if the people succeeding him would be eager enough to change the formula.

 

Did Jony Ive jump or was he pushed?

Jony Ive is a brilliant designer. He helped bring Apple back from a near death experience with the original iMac and iBooks and, later, MacBooks. But he also accounted for a number of costly flops, that, while Apple would never admit it, would have sunk even more accomplished executives.

2 days ago by Robin Harris in Apple

 

Apple needed to get rid of him. He was out of ideas. Everything from iPhone six has basically been cookie cutter. Macbook are stale from 2008. Basically, jony in the early years had Ideas but since the Macbook unibody the design language from him was "ok.... Let's make this thinner." and that is it.