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    Looking for the best apple macbook Pro 17" BUT only silver keyboard!

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by GalaxySII, Jul 15, 2012.

  1. GalaxySII

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    Hello fellas
    I am looking for best MacBook Pro 17" bust must be silver keyboard ..
    those new ones with black are rubbish ugly
    I need to know how can this mac upgrade to the top
    I need ONLY FULL HD display matte
    ThNx
     
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    have you considered a paint job?

    Otherwise, you are looking for a used 2008 model. If you can find a late-2008 model, you can get 8 GB of memory, and a 1920x1200 LED backlit display - you'll have to check the specs of whatever you are considering purchasing to make sure it has these components. If you can't find a late-2008 model (you probably can't find one) then you'll want an early 2008 model, which is mostly the same, but you'll be capped at 6 GB of memory.

    There is no way to update the core 2 duo (cpu) or 8600m gt (graphics card) to anything more modern, but you could replace the HDD with an SSD.
     
  3. GalaxySII

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    uuu ..sounds great but not yet.. !

    I actually LOVE as it is ... but , can I see some examples ?
    thnx
     
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    I think chef was being more hypothetical. Attempting to remove the keyboard from a unibody Mac is extremely diddly even if you know what you're doing.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    you actually can remove the keys relatively easily. I'm not sure how you would go about painting them silver without interfering with the lettering.
     
  6. GalaxySII

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    guys no
    i just want that in the first post ..
    thnx
     
  7. masterchef341

    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    I already answered your first post. Check the first response.
     
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    Your question has been answered and they provided two example, what more do you want? A direct link to buy the notebook? Check eBay, the Amazon Marketplace, or Craigslist. As previously stated, you won't be able to find a new MBP meeting your specifications. You will only be able to buy a used model from 2008 (4 years ago!). I highly recommend sucking it up and getting one with black keys as they are newer models. 4 years old is pushing it especially if the original owner hasn't replaced anything in it. Not only will you be getting extremely dated hardware (the Core 2 Duo is showing its age) but the battery in it will likely need to be replaced if it already hasn't been.

    Might as well just deal with those "ugly" looks to get much, much, much, much better internal hardware and a battery that won't need to be replaced immediately.
     
  9. mmoy

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    You'd like the model that I have. Early 2008, Penryn, 1920x1200 Matte, silver keys, 48 GB SSD + 1 TB Western Digital HDD, 4 GB RAM, battery is fine. I ordered a RMBA but cancelled it as there's nothing wrong with the one that I have - it does what I need it to do with no problems. Less weight and longer battery life would be nice but they aren't an absolute requirement.

    I'm sure that you can find these things used for a good price - you just won't get a lot of the great tech that has been added in the last four years.

    BTW, none of the MacBook Pros has HD displays.
     
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    :facepalm:
     
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    oh dear here are people like I have been bothered them... oh am sorry i wont ask u anything anymore then .. jeezz

    @mmoy

    man u realise what u wrote?
    do u know what HD means? and Full HD ?
    u have quite no knowledge about display resolutions ...
    there have been HD displays quite a while but u didnt noticed that until they came up with A word short HD .. high resolution
    u had long time ago HD on your LCD monitors .. BUT NOT Full HD that came later..

    HD means the resolution is 1280 x 720 this resol been loong time ago
    Full HD is 1920 x 1080 ..
    And how u can say that no one macbook pro has no hd display ??
    jeezz man wake up ..
     
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    High-definition television (HDTV) provides a resolution that is substantially higher than that of standard-definition television.

    HDTV may be transmitted in various formats:

    1080p - 1920×1080p: 2,073,600 pixels (approximately 2.1 megapixels) per frame
    1080i - typically either:
    1920×1080i: 1,036,800 pixels (approximately 1 megapixel) per field or 2,073,600 pixels (approximately 2.1 megapixels) per frame
    1440×1080i:[1] 777,600 pixels (approximately 0.8 megapixels) per field or 1,555,200 pixels (approximately 1.6 megapixels) per frame
    720p - 1280×720p: 921,600 pixels (approximately 0.9 megapixels) per frame

    The letter "p" here stands for progressive scan while "i" indicates interlaced.

    When transmitted at two megapixels per frame, HDTV provides about five times as many pixels as SD (standard-definition television).

    -- Wikipedia

    --------------------

    I own 12 laptops and about 12 monitors. Some are HD and some are not. The 17 inch MBP has a resolution of 1920x1200. It's not HD. It's WUXGA.
     
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    It is HD though. There are big differences between HDTV standards something having an HD resolution. You never specified that Macs aren't HDTVs. That point is crystal clear and PCs have long used resolutions not incorporated by HDTV standards. That still doesn't mean they aren't HD. HD != HDTV.
     
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    HD stands for "high definition". It's a general term that doesn't denote any resolution standard.

    XGA is a specific resolution standard. Variants of XGA, including WUXGA, denote a specific resolution standard.

    This is a case of "all pears are fruit but not all fruits are pears." It's incorrect to say that 1920x1200 is not HD (in particular if you're willing to accept that similar resolutions like 1920x1080 are HD).

    What would be wrong is to say the converse.

    If 1920x1200, is it HD? Yes.
    If HD, is it 1920x1200? No (not necessarily).

    High definition television is also not a resolution single standard, but a collection of standards. High definition television (abbreviated HDTV, which is a different abbreviation than HD) can include the resolution standards that you mentioned.
     
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    I go by what I see marketed. HD in large monitors refers to 1920x1080. So I look for monitors without the HD label. If you want to believe that 1920x1200 is HD, please feel free to.
     
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    Many televisions that are labelled HD are 1366x768. That resolution doesn't match any of the formats you listed, but those televisions are still marketed as "HD".

    Maybe that example helps illustrate the point? I'm definitely against problematic marketing, I think we could agree on that.
     
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    Tell you what: show me a piece of Apple Marketing that states that their MacBook Pros have HD displays and I will concede the point. Or go to Newegg and show me where HD is marketed in what are traditionally WUXGA or WSXGA.
     
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    It doesn't matter what something is marketed as. If we let marketing labels dictate actual definitions of terms, our world would be messed up. The Room would truly be the best movie ever and worthy of an academy award in every category, the iPad would be a top contender for headmaster at Hogwarts while being able to give everyone $1 million since it is magical, and Kia would be the best selling car company in the U.S. because they are truly the best (or so their ads say). It doesn't matter what something is labeled as, it can still fit well within the definition of an actual term that has been previously defined outside of the marketing world. Is the iPad marketed as a sole video playback device or a media hub? No, but it can be used by one and I'm sure some people use them as their sole video playback device and central media hub.

    If we went by labels and ads alone and not the actual definitions of terms, our world would be messed up.
     
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    I always thought a screen was HD if it could run HD video on it pixel for pixel... that means it has to be right at the HD resolution your looking for or bigger.
     
  22. masterchef341

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    I did the newegg one in an earlier post, but I wanted to do my best with the Apple example for you.

    Now, I certainly can't guarantee that Apple will choose to use any particular term to describe any of their displays. Yet another "all pears are fruit" situation: if Apple uses the term HD to describe something, then it should be HD (whatever we decide HD means). However, just because something fits the definition of HD doesn't mean that Apple will use that term to describe it.

    To back this up this point (and the original), I can cite a examples from Apple:

    Apple does not use the term HD anywhere to describe their current 20-something inch iMac that has a 1920x1080 display, although we would both already agree that this display could be called HD. This demonstrates the first point, that apple doesn't necessarily use the term "HD" to describe displays that certainly fit the definition.

    However, Apple did recently use the phrase "Cinema HD display" to denote their high resolution stand alone 1920x1200 displays, as well as their high resolution stand alone 2560x1600 displays. This is an example of Apple marketing a display with the acronym 'HD' included, on displays that are higher than television broadcast resolution.
     
  23. GalaxySII

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    man anything above 1280 x 720 IS HD only 1080p IS FullHD .. !

    THIS is BEST macbook pro (early 2008) nice FullHD 1080p + matte screen, what am about to buy .. (if I win :D )
    all macbooks are crap even new..

    Apple MacBook Pro 17" AntiGlare 1920x1200 2.4GHz 4GB 500GB | eBay
     
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    GL in winning. I had the silver key model & didn't like the feel everytime I pressed on a key compared to the unibody keys. To each their own
     
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    I don't recall any Macs being made with a 1080p monitor... 1200p yes.

    Officially, "HD" means either 1360 * 768 (rare these days) or 1366 * 768. "HD+" will be 1600 * 900, and "FHD" is 1920 * 1080. XGA is 1024 * 768, WXGA+ is 1440 * 900 (common 16:10 resolution found in Macs), and WUXGA would be 1920 * 1200. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_display_standard

    Well, if all you care about are silver keys, then sure. But the current Macs have hardware that'll stomp the 2008 models, and arguably the newer Macs look better to some people (though I'm a Thinkpad guy at heart; I just roam the OSX forums from time to time).
     
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    I don't know if I want to point out the ironies here. That definitely isn't the best MacBook Pro. You might think it is aesthetically the best MacBookPro but the hardware inside of any MBP made after that is going to stomp it in terms of performance. Even my MBA is going to run circles around that Mac for everyday activities and more intensive ones.

    Additionally, why are you buying that Mac if "all MacBooks we crap"? It seems like a stark contradiction to hunt down that specific, extremely dated MacBook only to make that statement. Also, technically speaking, 1280X720 is also a proper HD resolution. 720p doesn't mark the maximum SD resolution, it generally marks the lowest HD video resolution (commonly 720p and 1080p).
     
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    Guys.. I'VE GOT IT AAHH AM HAPPY :)
    Thnx all you guys for help n support ..
    Yeah everybody of us has different explanation about high def.
    I just wanted explain to mmoy when he said macbooks are not HD so they are
    And i just wanted simply say that any resol. below 1280x720 is SD so standard def and any resol. between 720 and 1080 they just dont have names they has only short names as WUXGA etc .. the panel makers they just named these two for people that they will recognize and remember easily... HD and FullHD next gen is named 2k or 4k ..
    That normal people wont recognize what is it so display makers will invent names for it eventually...
    About this silver mac i purchased it cos there is no more 17 inch and price was OK (£500)
    And I dont need top powerful mac i will upgrade cpu to T9500 or T9600 if will be possible and will upgrade ram from 4GB to 6GB 800Mhz.. I hae 128GB Crucial M4 ready for it so it will be very good machine still .
     
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    The CPU is soldered on to the logic board, so an upgrade there is out of the question.
     
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    You can't change the processor, and I would also prepare yourself to buy a replacement battery.
     
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    Heh I know I have checked .. those apple people are way cheeky ..
    But I always experimenting :D
    We have re-flow station at work so will see if I can do something with it .. ;)
     
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    keep us updated. I'm taking 10:1 odds that it gets destroyed.
     
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    O Yeah u probably right ..
    Red plenty info about this laptop ..
    these last days must say it is confuzing and very keen to get faulty
    That nvidia is malfunctioning on 5 of 10 laptops.
    I have purchased now and realised that i bought wrong one fok sake..
    It says mid 2007 and i wanted early 2008.. damn..
    Is it possible to fit moherboard from 2008 to 2007 version mac pro?
     
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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    That doesn't work, and it's not a very practical choice. The motherboard alone is going to cost almost as much as the entire laptop, and the major difference between the two models (mid 2007 vs early 2008) is the screen. The cpu, gpu, memory (the upgrades you get in conjunction with the motherboard) are basically identical. Both models cap at 6 GB.

    I think you'd have better luck returning the laptop if it was advertised as mid 2008, or keeping it, or reselling it (and buying the correct one if applicable).
     
  34. GalaxySII

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    Right now I am typing on mac pro :)
    My thoughts eem am disappointed with LCD screen it is full HD but it is NOT LED unfortunately .
    There is one LED on ebay but it is glossy not matte ..
    Yeah seller said if I will not be happy with unit I can send it back and he will refund ..
    MB cost 300 pounds on ebay ..
    MacBook Pro A1261 Logic Board 820-2262-A 2.5GHz T9300 | eBay
    if I del my mb and get money I will buy 200 one ..
    Seller said 2008 version mb is way better cpu better better gnu not 256 but 512mb ..
     
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    Again, you won't be able to change the logic board.

    The 2.5 Ghz Core 2 Duo is maybe 10% faster than a 2.2 Ghz Core 2 Duo IF you are doing a task that is bottlenecked by CPU clock speed. In any case, you can't change the logic board, so it doesn't matter.

    The 8600m GT is a very old video card. It doesn't benefit much from 512 MB of memory over 256 MB. In any modern game that could use over 256 MB of memory for textures and such, the 8600m GT isn't going to have enough horsepower to deliver playable frame rates anyway. And again, since you can't change the logic board, it's a non-issue.
     
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    am not planning play games but bluray files .. hope it wil run mooth ..
    just tried internet video and senn quite laggy . hmmm..
    I have 2.4 not 2.2 cpu t7700 i got .. i will upgrade to 6gb ram at least and ssd m4 ..
    u wouldnt belive just ONE fkin 4g module of ddr2 667 cost 50 pounds jeesus .. 2x expensive than ddr3 ..
    I found cheapest tokyo guy he sold me one 4g for 36 pounds .. (4GB RAM) SODIMM 200PIN DDR2-667 PC2-5300 1X4G laptop memory SO-DIMM LIFETIME | eBay
    I d like ask you , do you know any diag. software for mac pro ? like aida64 or cpuz , gpuz sisot sandra etc thnx
     
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    So I succesfully connected mac to my LG loks good
    [video]http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/5435/imag0067fh.jpg[/video]
     
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    I think that the marketing and common usage dictate terms today and that language frequently evolves towards common usage. So I am still of the opinion that 1920x1200 isn't HD.

    Regarding the thread - as I said, I have the model that you're looking for and with an SSD upgrade, it's nice. I use it mainly for software engineering work which is mainly character-cell SSH into a remote development environment and it is great. I do prefer the full-sized keys to the chiclet style though I suppose I could get used to the newer style eventually.

    The downsides: battery life and weight. Apple just gave me a new battery and that helps a little - but I use it mainly at a desk with an adapter. It can be a bit of a bother when I am mobile - I just have to hunt a little for an outlet. Some site that buys Macs has the price that they will pay at around $375. I'd guess that they don't get many in for that price.

    Apple replaced the logic board on this thing late last year - so it should be good for at least another four. I suspect that I'll have a Retina MBP before then though.
     
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    This is cool :)
    Check out
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    and this am gonna buy all of these :D

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    one of these

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    nice

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    masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook

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    3 things:

    First, common usage definitely leans towards 1920x1200 being an HD screen, because people use the term HD to describe high resolution screens like 1920x1200. Just look up "1920 1200 HD" (no quotes) on google.

    Second, you said you would concede the point if I showed you an example from newegg or Apple's macbook pro line, and I showed you an example from newegg (and Apple, just for kicks, but not the MBP of course). You didn't honor your word on that :(

    Last, the first paragraph of the wikipedia article on "HD Video" states that high-definition video is any video system of higher resolution than standard-definition video. It even goes to the trouble of explaining the distinction between HD as a term that describes video in high definition versus HDTV television broadcast standards.
     
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    Well said ..

    Guys wanted ask you ..
    1.is there way to remove scratches on alluminium?
    (Bottom laptop and lid)
    2.can i replace wi-fi with intel one? 5100 agn
    3.am about to replace dvd with hdd caddy (optibay) will i be ableto make RAID 0 ?
     
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    saturnotaku Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    The answer is no to 2 and 3. And please use the edit button to add information to a post you've already made instead of creating a new one.
     
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    ? That's weird.. i actually did use edit..
    Dunno why this hapened ..
    Am on mobile and it is laggyy
    Sorry about that
     
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    I didn't see the Apple part but I will partially concede the point but won't change my usage. The Newegg thing was one monitor from a German company. All of the other monitors that I've seen (and I've been shopping for these for many years) follow my perspective.
     
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    and the wiki article with the definition of HD video which states the answer explicitly?
     
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    Love my silver keyb :)