Looks like Apple might not be using NVIDIA anymore.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-freeze-out-nvidia-for-3-4yrs-over-geforce-failures-0248509/

Well that will show NVIDIA.

 

Hahahaha!

Was only a matter of time.

 

Shows Nvidia right, Rebranding, Overheating, etc

 

I'm glad to see Apple stand up to these arrogant idiots at NVidia. I hope AMD takes this as a golden opportunity.

 

I was surprised that Apple didn't use ATI GPUs for their Unibody notebooks. Oh well.

I was also surprised that there are only 4 posts (now 5) in this thread and you guys managed to break 2 forum rules. Don't do it. Posts have been edited.

 

hey i didn't break the rules

i said ignored and or deleted

 

I didn't say you did, did I?

BACK ON TOPIC.

 

post was edited i just assumed ... my bad i guess...

I hope to see ATI GPU's in there maybe like a 4860?(ddr5 and LOW TDP )
would be nice to have a Gaming/Mac

 

Sorry, that was me. NVidia just brings out the best in me.

 

Guys come on , You need a power horse without producing heat , you but a 560HP engine u get the heat , its the same u can't get a power graphics card with no heat, i bought the apple Only when i saw they added nvidia card , i can withstand a little Heat but i can't withstand the cool graphics card with low performance ,
Does any one here know an alternative for the 9600 9800 8800 series cards with no heat ( and not with 50000000$ )

 

I can easily over clock my HD2600 to 8600mGT GDDR3 level and it still runs cooler.

 

not quite the Place but
GTS series (40nm DDR5, Low TDP)
ATI 4860 (DDR5 and low TDP, 40nm)

they are not out yet .... but they are very nice cards

the 40nm will ROCK ,low prices and low heat whoot!

 

Another misunderstanding of the notebook Nvidia graphics fiasco.

I don't think people care how much heat their Nvidia/ATI cards are producing, it was the fact that the mobile nvidia cards were FAULTY and were pretty much guaranteed to fail. It has nothing to do with who's card runs cooler.

This is why I refused to buy any laptop with an 8600gt in it. NVIDIA never owned up to their problems, so I'm glad Apple is giving them the boot. ATI mobile cards are superior anyway.

 

TBH apple should use AMD processors and ATI graphic cards :/ that way the price wont be so much.

 

Nice call there apple, i hope they invest in some AMD/ATI tech because i will have a next buy lined up

 

First off this report comes from the same person who had reported about the Nvidia Problem last summer in Endgadget. He was pretty much taken to the shed on it about his biased attack on NVidia because they snubbed him over some stuff. He has been the flameboy against them for a long time now.

Second NVidia no longer makes the affected cards. They are standing by their warranty on them and any cost to manufacturer was/will be covered by them.

Someone on another board had posted that this is not because of that sole issue but rather that Intel's new chip (Larrabee) will be introducing a gpu processor as part of it. That had been on the horrizon for about a year now so it could be one reason. They will see how it handles I guess? But also rumored was that they would not abandon NVidia but make it an option.

In either case I would not be wanting to be the first to "beta" test the new Intel Chips with the GPU intergrated in it. I will be happy with either ATI or Nvidia.

BTW if this is true then it would make an excellent excuse why Nvidia should be absorbed by Intel just like ATI and AMD.

 

I'd be happy with the Intel integrated graphics. They're just taking their current stuff and putting it on-die. I'd prefer Larrabee for the flexibility. It would be nice to have 14 x86 cores available for processing.

 

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i also thought that we would be seeing ati gpu in the current line up but i guess that apple was blind.

 

apple is probably not blind. more likely apathetic. i think they care less about ATI vs. Nvidia than some of us do.

 

I told you guys. The nvidia issue has not been fixed, there's never been any evidence to the contrary.

 

A big reason why apple might have problems with ATI is because of brand image. For some reason non tech-savy people tend to think nVidia is somehow better than ATI. Same when people think any intel is faster than AMD. They could use a mobility 4830/4860, or the current 4650/4670. However they better stick with the integrated/discrete combo because for me these mid-range cards are kind of useless on such a high end notebook. They are budget gaming cards, where the mac is not a gaming machine, and these cards are too weak to be any use to professionals. They would be an ok addition when they switch the intel's ne cpu+gpu chips.

 

OM Jesus lol.. The problem with Macs is they use Low end Gpu's and try to shove it in as thin a package as possible and get the most battery life out of it... look at all the laptops that have some serious overheating issues as well... Also they won't make a gaming Mac because that Costs Apple, not as big of sales as the demographic market isn't as big for that kind of notebook... I think there are alot of arrogant Fanboys in here that aren't looking at both sides of the Coin

 

ATI has better mobile graphics chips right now than Nvidia. ATI got a big jump on Nvidia by going to the smaller process earlier. Comparatively the current Nvidia mobile lineup is based on the previous generation desktop chips while ATI is using the current generation in both.

 

Failed implementation even in the greates of ATI's innovations... is what is making Nvidia so much better for the mobile world

 

its unfortunately true.

the new ATI cards look promising. hopefully manufacturers will adopt them so we can get access to them, and ATI will support them with drivers.

 

nvidia caused the death of my hp dv2700

good riddance

 

Go ATI! If AMD could release lower powered mobile CPUs, they could compete against Intel in the notebook scene.

 

As heated as my 8400GS?

 

could have... would have... if only... so close...

these are common phrases i hear about ati and their notebook parts.

the sad part is it is almost always true. ati is permanently really close to knocking nvidia and intel in the mobile scene, but i haven't seen them do it in a long long time.

 

ati is waaay cooler as compared with our burning nvidia 9 series

 

Macs, HP, Dell, Sony, it doesn't matter what notebook manufacturer if they used 8600m gt, they all failed. Nothing to do with Macs and nothing to do with fanboys.

Nvidia is the culprit and I think you're kind of being hypocritical saying that there are arrogant fanboys while you're sportin your 280's SLI.

 

my vostro 1700 has a 8600 GT and its been chuggin along for 2 years with no problems so far


i dont think apple will switch though, i mean the user is the loser in this situation since there is no hybrid power with ATI chips

 

The user loses when their laptop video card stops working, hybrid or not.

 

well the 9600M GT + 9400M G chip set isn't faulty, atleast to my knowledge

 

And when that graphics card fails bring it in to the apple store and get a new gfx card or a replacement computer that might be a newer model

 

Apparently with HP laptops they tended to fail just when the warranty was over. This was done through a BIOS update that kept the fans whirring for longer just to postpone the eventual death.

NVIDIA never owned up to these faults which make them look even bad

 

In the report below december 2008 it says the G96 cores are faulty , is this just older macbook pro`s , and the newer mid 2009 are fine?

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1049921/inquirer-confirms-apple-macbook-pros-have-nvidia-bad-bump-material

 

So what would Apple replace the 9400m +9600m GT with, an HD3200 + HD3670

The 9600m GT is 23 watts and the HD3670 is 30watts that`s 7 watts difference, that`s less battery life.

 

They fully came clean about it last June/July. They admitted where the problem originated and that it affected a batch shipment of the product, which happened to have been manufactured in 2007.

By the time this story hit the boards, last year, NVidia was no longer making these chips (8600 series). The chips wound up in both Apple, HP and Dell models and those who had problems the warranty was extended and covered by NVidia.

This is very old news and those who have had the issues have been taken care of and those who anticpate problems will be as well. If you do not have this chip in your pc/mac then you have nothing to worry or complain about, its not your problem.

 

Good Old Charlie has a personal agenda against NVidia. He got snubbed by them during a roll out of a product. He was under the impression that because he "thought" he was a reporter for theinquirer, he was intitled to all the perks that go with it.

He was not at the time, he was just a contributor who even others have said wasnt the best at what he contributed.

He has been bringing this up for over a year now and NVidia has pointed out that the 9600 series does not have that issue and that the company who made the 8600 mess is no longer a supplier.

I personally dont care if its ATI or NVidia I use both and have had no problems with either.

Again people need to read what is going on with NVidia and Intel. Its out of Apple's, HP's, Dell's and anyone else's hands who is planning on using the Nehalem or Larrabee Chips which are coming out soon. Two major companies are not playing nice with each other with tech development and we are left just watching them do it.

 

who said this? take the thinkpad t500 for example. it comes with 2 gpu's. Intel x4500hd and ati hd3650. It supports hybrid sli though.

 

ah, i thought only nvidia was the only GPU company to do something like Hybridpower, my bad

i think the macbook pros would have the upcoming HD4200 and the 4670 if they were to switch to ATI, the 3xxx series is the previous generation

 

multiple GPU's is really bothering me.

i'd like to see a single gpu that can scale its power usage *excellently*.

 

That would be pretty hard on the computer I guess then the GPU would have to undervolt/underclock according to what you are doing each time which might cause even more errors.

 

well i guess ms could include this in its power plans.

 

Also if GPU clocks and volts are controlled by BIOS then people would not be able to effectively tinker with the gfx cards them selves. I for one like the two gfx cards. I am able to undervolt each card and overclock the 9600M GT for more power but taking up less battery life.

 

There is absolutely no evidence that the 9x series are not faulty either. Just rumors. Nvidia has been very quiet (even systematically sanitizing their message boards of such threads about the issue) about the issue. Until Nvidia comes out and says the issue has been fixed, I would't believe that it has been.

 

hey man, im not the one being paid to engineer the chips.

maybe the power management could be done above the bios level and give the user access to it. it might even make overclocking / undervolting easier.

talk to the engineers. i'd still like to see components that aren't redundant and aren't used at the same time.

 

I agree it was a fact that they had to account for the money they had to set aside for settlement of the 8600's, to their stock holders. We will never know if they were also covering their butts about the 9x at the same time.

In either case both cards are history as far as they are concerned.