MBPs with Core i7

Not trying to bash Apple, but I'm genuinely curious: If Apple markets their laptops as being the best in the market and having the latest technology, why do they not use the Core i7 processors, which are newer than the Core 2 Duos? The TDP is the same as the C2D T-series for the i7 Q720 and Q820: 35 W + 10 W for NB.

 

Because their marketing > design. Just because TDP is the same doesn't mean a thing. At max load the power consumption is higher than C2Ds and the heat dissipation is most likely not equipped to handle it. They're waiting like most other companies for the mainstream dual core i5/7 Arrandales.

 

Typical MPB users don't need the extra power and much prefer a smaller price tag. Macs are expensive enough as it is.

 

Typical notebook users in general don't need the power of a quad core i7...

 

Yes but is the MBP not aimed at the video encoder and multimedia guy? Wouldn't they want it even as an optional upgrade?

 

I used to believe that Apple was better for those applications, but times have changed for multimedia editing solutions from what I've seen. While I'm sure a few MBP users wouldn't mind the extra CPU power, Apple probably felt that it would cost too much to improve/redesign their cooling capabilities (which might affect the aesthetics of their MBP).

 

Yeah at a time I thought Apple was really trying to make the best computers hardware wise as possible with what they have. Since switching to Intel they seem to try and go the more efficient route which isn't bad per say just if you advertise a PRO line I would expect the hardware to be upped quite a bit compared to the consumer line. I don't see it happening anytime soon, too much battery suckage and heat to make an i7 in a MBP, unless if they find a way to cripple it, but imagine the backlash.

 

That is all kinds of compromised reasoning, given what's actually out there.

As sgogeta said, Apple will probably fit the higher end of the dual-core Arrandales when they're out, and they'll probably be the first to do so. We had a lengthy thread on this a short while back, but the current MBP's are thermally critical enough with the Core 2 Duo's.

The delay could also be that they're trying to figure out a way to successfully spin Hyperthreading *evil grin*

EDIT: I forgot to add - crippled higher-end. I think it's very likely they'll do something akin to the typical Apple-fitted-GPU like sleight of hand and limit the burst mode on a rangetopping Arrandale dual-core. People will probably find out after they buy it, there will be kvetching, some will get very upset about it, but it will kind of go away after a while thanks to collective denial as per usual.

 

apple aims at thinness. the corei7 uses lots of power. unless they wont to roast your legs with that amount of heat generated, i dont think we'll see corei7 on macbook pros unless lower tdp i series are released...

 

Because apple doesn't want to cut holes on their MPB because doing so would make it look like another PC?

 

I hear fins are in this season.

 

Yeah, heat would be a big big (flaming) factor.

 

Would they probably consider the Arrandales with 35 W total TDP?

 

Probably

:yes:

 

May be, but have you noticed that apple has sticked with penryn since 2008? well probably we'll see the arrandale in high end macbook pros.

 

What about a 1920*1080 screen resolution for the MBP?

 

um... 17" macbook pro?

 

Core 2 Duos will be discontinued, I doubt you'll see too many laptops sold with one by the end of 2010.

 

LOL, I was thinking a very similar thing, as it is they should probably already have a dedicated intake and exhaust.

 

I think it has already been stated many times that they are probably considering Arrandale instead.

I think the issue with current mobile Core I7 is heat and Apple is just gonna skip it.

 

the reason fred is because they only update their lines once a year - and they will most likely be in the new ones coming Q1 2010

 

Do you have data to support that? The core i7 architecture moves the memory controller off the north bridge, which allows that to be throttled w/ the rest of the CPU, and removes complexity from a non-throttled component. So...it might make for a cooler, lower power consumption system.

 

i7 = 45 W TDP = 35 W processor + 10 W built-in NB.

Current C2D that Apple uses = 25-35 W.

Same TDP?

 

Apple doesn't want Intel's IGP on Arrandale [Fudzilla]

Going to be interesting to see who the bigger fish is, and which company bends.

 

Well, I don't think it works like that. In any case Arrandale is 35W and it has an IGP.

 

Also there will be Arrandales under the Core i7 name.

 

Yes I mentioned that a few posts back.