MS pours some more petrol on the ever burning flamewars.

My impression was that its easier to program in a unix environment.

 

I would like to remind everyone to stay on topic please!

 

This is decidedly not true and I assure you that you must have heard wrong. Coding in a unix environment, as was said above, is much easier than coding in Windows. I know firsthand. Xcode is phenomenal AND comes packaged with the OS X dvd.

 

Perhaps he meant Microsoft is very gamer developer friendly. The DirectX SDK makes it much cheaper to develop games on Windows and XBOX 360.

They are also easy to develop business applications.

 

This is true.

 

I think the thread has gone off topic because the second ad really didn't break any new ground. These ads were different at first because Microsoft hadn't ever done anything like this but the effect wears off quickly. At least the Mac ads come up with snappy new themes to mix things up. The MS ads just recycle the same theme and basic plot with different actors.

I think the only thing the ads may do in the long run is show just how threatened by Apple Microsoft really feels.

 

Man I cant believe this thread is still alive. I've already forgotten about the commercial for the past week and a half, only when I look at this thread it reminds me of it.

Basically the Red head supposedly average american that happens to belong to an actors guild bought just the right non apple notebook under a 1k. Can we move on now?

One other commercial that cracks me up is the one when the little girl or boy uses their "PC" to make a slide show or whatever and at the end they say, "I'm 8 years old and I'm a PC."

The part that is funny to me is I always think to myself after they say that line is, "Exactly."

Meaning, only if these little kids knew that the commercial that they just shot was made with a mac.

 

did you miss the new commercial? thats what sparked the latest discussion.

 

Quote from Chris Pirillo "If you don't want to pay for a brand then don't walk out with a brand" (Add a loud screaming voice)

 

I like the ads with the kids, they're adorable!

 

the 8 vs 80 ads!

They remind me of my little cousins. In middle school they were as proficient in Powerpoint and Word as I was. I recall a book report one of them wrote with Word Art, Drop Cap, Columns and the works. I was very impressed and commented, "Most of my coworkers still do not know that Drop Caps even exists!"

 

This guy is not credible. All he does is rant about nothing.

 

Either way he has a better job than most of us here and he probably makes more money too...

 

Chris Pirillo is sending the same message as these Microsoft ads. If you want performance, go Windows. If you want fluff, go Apple.

 

Would you please point us to where he makes that statement? I've never heard him speak pro Windows and against Mac in the same sentence. He certainly does his business on Macs.

 

I never heard him say any of these quotes. I've heard him say something similar where he saids he owns both pcs and macs and just choose the one you prefer.

I also remembering him saying he does prefer macs as the OS "to him" is superior but he does use windows for apps that he needs.

But never heard him saying that PCs have better performance. I'm sure he uses the top of the line Mac Pros which is up there in the top performance area for what he needs to do (excluding gaming).

Sorry but the only thing PCs have against Macs are gaming, everything else is inferior. Just take "gaming" out of the equation and what do you have with microsoft/pcs, inferior OS and over priced hardware.

Software is more important imho, I'd much rather have decent hardware with a software that has been utilized to its fullest and efficiency with ease of use. And in reality Apple's hardware is very good, on par with PC variants with a hell of a lot better software.

I guess its the perks you get since Apple is a software/hardware company which no other company are as to this day.

 

also,mac os still lacks of proper CAD soft...

 

Partly why I didn't buy a mac... People should really think alittle harder before they make a post which then just make themselves look ignorant.

 

And the reason that I have my 8530w ...I wonder why don't we have autocad for mac os...

 

You have one of those now too ey? FireGL or Quadro FX GPU? Then again, simple AutoCAD can be ran on most thing.

I like my 8510p *cough* 8510w.

 

Yeap it is awesome...I have one with FX 770.our teacher said that we are going to do complex things in near feature,so I decided to get something more powerful.

Softmods FTW!

 

I guess only downside would be CAD but then Macs run windows now, so problem solved.

With everything else run OSX on the mac to run such programs as FCP, superior daily computing, etc. If you need CAD (and not everyone does) just bootcamp over to windows.

 

Problem solved what? Try running some CAD benchmarks with a gaming card then a professional GPU, then you might notice the difference. CAD GPUs are there for a reason.

 

What professional GPU can you NOT use on a Mac Pro?? You can use any PC GPU on a Mac Pro via windows if you absolutely have to.

 

Well I thought we are on a notebook forum talking about notebooks? No? And these MS ads are about notebooks.

 

The MS ads are quite irritating. All it focuses on is that PC's are cheaper than Mac's. WOW, did anyone really need an ad to tell them that?

In other news, Ford's are cheaper than BMW's. So if you want a car then it's only sensible to buy a Ford. Just look spec for spec, they both have alloys, air conditioning, power steering etc.. the BMW just looks better because it has an awesome shape and leather interior. You're basically paying for the BMW name, and who wants to spend $30,000 extra to get a BMW?

LOL losers, I can't believe you bought a BMW when I can do the same thing with the same spec in my Ford and I saved $30,000! LOLZ at BMW owners!!!!!!!11111oneoneone

 

trust him jj,there really is a reason I tried softmoded my fx 770 into 9600gt and the CAD difference was significant.

 

I know its about notebooks (sorry my fault) but I was talking about a mac pro desktop. I guess its relevant to this thread as were talking about all pc or mac products.

 

Lol, I mean I do agree on notebooks you can get superior gpu and all of that stuff on a PC.

Me a die hard Apple fan is starting to consider a lot of PC notebooks lately or desktops as it is so much cheaper for better hardware.

Right now I want a mac pro desktop but being priced $500 more than last year.. man I'm really looking at some i7 Dell to just run hackint0sh on it.

 

Its so blindly obvious the downsides of a Mac. Besides CAD, you got A LOT of financial software that have no Mac equivalent. Look at the Medical industry. A LOT of software that also have no Mac equivalent. Keep in mind that the vast majority of computer users aren't just browsing the web.

The fact that the Mac can also run Windows is a moot point underscored by the Microsoft ad. You not only pay for the more expensive Apple computer, you end up having to buy Windows ANYWAYS. It only gives more reasons to see that Windows is a better value product.

 

Em,well,no-for me it is an option to have best of 2 world in one.

 

Actually most top scientists in the medical industry use macs. Such as curing cancer and such. This is why ECC RAM are so important on the Mac Pro desktops.

Please get your facts straight.

Also, CAD is not so intensive as scientific research tools on say a mac. I mean a ATI 4870 with 512mb would be more than enough to run CAD on a Mac Pro desktop via windows.

Ok so basically I can say 2 things are important for windows, gaming and CAD. But thats about it, which Mac Pros can run anyway too.

One last thing to counter your statement. A Mac can run windows natively but can a PC run OSX natively, nope.

 

haha. i use macs. AND i (am trying to) cure cancer. i dont know if its actually a general truth, but the majority of the faculty i met with at my new school used macs - including 2 nobel prize winners

my former PI would always yell at me (jokingly) for having a better computer than him. he has a thinkpad.

 

I'll gladly debate your stats, but not on this thread. Cite your sources and I'll cite mine.

 

Thats cuz its illegal for OS X to be run on anyting but apple hardware. PCs run linux, google runson linux, NASDAQ runs on linux, so apple hardware is nothing sacred.

 

But in the end its the truth and it is what it is though. Macs can run any OS while PCs cant run OSX. Well except hackint0sh.. which I've done and TRIED to love it but it just feels too broken to me and bootleg.

 

Then WHY ARE YOU HERE?? It's blindly obvious you hate Macs. I've noticed several of your posts that are anti-Mac. You post here as if the forum is stupid and they need you to tell us how stupid we are to buy into the Macintosh system and Apple's products. This thread is about the Microsoft ad in terms of price, not what software isn't available for Macs. The ad doesn't even mention Windows. I would suggest that you go to the Windows forum where you might feel more at home with other Windows users bashing Apple and the Macintosh. Your posts aren't helpful.

 

WRONG. It's a violation of the EULA, nothing more.

I could code a piece of software right now and sell it to you on the condition that you only install it on Dell computers. If you install it on a Sony can you be arrested? No. Our agreement can't magically make something illegal. I can sue you, but that's about it.

 

Humm, looks like I'm not the one that needs to calm down.

This post is similiar to the blogging sphere's reaction to the ad. OMG, PCs ARE HATING ON APPLE. I dare you to quote a single one of my posts that says how "stupid you are to buy into the Macintosh system and Apple's products." I think you are overreacting to label me "anti-Mac." In fact you can read throughout the thread where I have blatantly pointed out the strengths of Apple's platform. And their strength is NOT price or value. Rather their strength lies in the steamlined software and hardware.

All in all, this is the reaction I would expect from extremists. If you aren't for us, you are against us. And it's a common reaction to Microsoft's ad when clearly the message from Microsoft is not "Apple sucks" but "Windows provides you a better value for your money."

 

Well, looks like it's gone to the good old "Your OS sux and mine rulz" debate again. I'm quite impressed this thread lasted so long, and some of the earlier comments were really insightful. Anyway, thread closed.