Macbook Pro Retina, the most reliable laptop in the world

Always On - Is the MacBook Pro construction-grade? - YouTube
I dont think theres another laptop that can survive all tests.

And its the most reliable windows laptop

The most reliable Windows laptop is a Mac, says Soluto | PCWorld

 

that Always On was pretty good... didn't hear the screen crack until they set the 1500 lbs boulder on it. If they had skipped that test, the thing still would have been working fine.

 

If they put the rock on a flat surface then put that on macbook pro then it would have survived rather than having 1 sharp edge of the rock hitting the laptop. He dropped the rock a bit too.

 

most reliable currently AFIK is the Toughbook CF-30 / 31. 1.8% failure rate over 4 years for the 30. the 31 hasn't been out 4 years yet. ( yes they are actually designed for this kind of abuse regularly )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n6mX8Q1waA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41lXVKSTOGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp0F8fcAZJ4

I have personally dropped a CF-19 60 feet into a parking lot.

by the numbers rMBP is one of the more reliable of consumer laptops though. but fails badly at drop vibration tests, water tests normally too as I have seen a few die from minimal water on them while running

 

Every consumer notebook can pretty much do that imo...

Soluto, heh, software crash most of the time have nothing to do with hardware but user behavior.

 

A locked-down system should be stabler than one you can mod and upgrade without trouble: no surprises there.

Do you mean what the OP linked or what KCETech1 linked?

 

Try dropping it so that it falls on one of the corners. Let me know how reliable it stays. ^^

I do agree (at least partially) with baiii, where's the control experiment?

 

laptops don't need to be drop proof, the clumsy shouldn't handle tools! just make them not fry them selves from heat...... I've had countless laptops die from overheating, none from physical damage.

 

Heheh... Cnet claims consumer-class laptop to be the most reliable and durable...

She was lucky that the laptop didn't short out from turning it on after the water, but every other test they did was more of a "carefully test this laptop" and not "screw it, let's try to damage it real good!" like what testing should be.

Wake me up when they drop it from a several-story building, run it over with a truck, or set it on fire.

 

1. Many standard business notebooks can survive these tests. It's a feature.

2. For what it's worth, how many people do you know actually use Soluto?

In most cases, business owners and enthusiast users use home-brew/certified professional software for managing other computers.

 

like 150,000 in the last 6 months (since January) lol wanna bother reading the link? I know you have a kind of stereo type feeling for macs.

 

hence the issue..... 150,000 is a tiny sample. and Apple does most of their own support work and is not dependent on third party providers that HP consumer, Acer and other consumer models do


Business class units are almost always supported by the manufacturer or internal IT departments and not third party providers either.

just for giggles I will post numbers on an old model laptop, that is VERY well tracked

Panasonic CF-29 release date April 2004 - Final revision June 2009.
units shipped 3.97 million
units defective 3,391
units in operation 2011 3,762,419 ( estimated to be within 12% )


Lets go by my personal numbers as I have been a power user for a couple decades on laptops.

failure of MB/MBP 2002-2013.... 50% in 2 years.

I tend to hate these reliability studies as they do not track different product lines, manufacturers, time frames or the actual issues. they are WAY too vague

and this explains a lot as MBP's and business units don't have the crud on them that el cheapo's do

 

150,000 out of.. how many computer owners / businesses? I mean, there's a bunch of people who use MyCleanPC, but that doesn't mean much for reputation...

That PCWorld article just reads as a Soluto advertisement. Not that I'm surprised, given PCWorld's reputation anyway.

 

Yeah....

Last time I checked, there were over a billion PCs sold.

That's about 1,000,000,000, if I were to be pessimistic.

Optimistically speaking, Soluto's numbers are around 300,000, assuming that every user kept the program and didn't uninstall it.

I dislike Apple, but I enjoy their hardware, so there's not much of a bias on my part.

In an extremely good scenario, Soluto represents around 0.0003% of all computers.

Seeing as Macs represent around 10% of the PC market, you can probably do the math.

It's guaranteed that every Mac user using Soluto has a clean installation, but not every PC does.

The majority of Soluto users are probably basic consumers, meaning that they're running consumer machines.



You can probably already tell that the graphs are skewed/meaningless by the fact that MacBook's score is a mere .7 points better than the $429 Acer machine.

The fact that the 2nd-place machine is an Acer should be a warning light to everybody.

 

were talking about windows crashing not defective units. 150,000 is tiny out of all laptops in the world but you can still tell whats the most reliable windows laptop for 2013 laptops and the macbook pro retina just really comes out on top for windows reliability. Its ironic for some people especially the ones who dont like mac for mac to become the most reliable in windows and I know many people cant accept that but its been tested. To be the most reliable in 150,000 is certainly not a chance or a coincidence and its the same for 150 million laptop.

 

The problem here is not about the mac/conclusion, but the "statistics".

 

Dude, chill out. It's a computer, no need to be uber-sensitive about criticism about the statistics.

I mean honestly, would you even fathom Acer placing as the second most reliable computer? Have you ever *used* an Acer like that? Their statistics are fishy, and that article's true purpose is to sell you their software. Take those numbers with a grain of salt.

I'm curious about their statistic testing methods (whether it was a truly random sample, sort-of random, or not), their confidence level, what the baseline is for business-class laptops (why tldidnt they test those?), and so on. I want objective data before I believe anything.

 

I had one of Acer's netbook computers. Great machines. I broken it by pressing the power button one day.

I love these threads and 'studies', because if Microsoft made a single line of laptops with locked in hardware, they'd probably be pretty damn close in reliability. Except for, you know, MBPs that explode, or desolder their own GPUs.

The number one cause of crashing in Windows is a memory fault. Most Windows PCs allow the memory to be changed. Strange coincidence, no?

 

To play Devil's Advocate, that was nVidia's fault and was a problem for any laptop with that generation of GPU (9000M series, iirc).

 

This is very true, but the issue was exemplified by a poor thermal design, and MB/MBPs had much higher failure rates vs other computers with the 9000M soldered series.

Did anyone else also notice the obvious typo? The rMBP isn't #1, it's a MBP 2012. So, it's not a Retina Macbook at all.

 

Now that you mention it, I'm very curious as to what Surface/Surface Pro failure rates are. And I can actually see this going both ways - on the plus side, the Surface/Surface Pro might be super reliable, on the minus side, they might have RROD-esque issues.

 

From what I've seen on Tablet PC Review, most of the problems are software-based, rather than hardware-linked.

Apparently, Microsoft's warranty coverage and support team is spot-on.

The Intel GPU spiking was fixed because Microsoft listened to their community.

Other than the occasional case scratching, there doesn't seem to be any major flaws with the Surface devices.

 

you forgot the 8000m as well, and the 580m death after a year problem

 

When I first saw this post I immediately looked for one of the YouTube videos my friend KCETech1 linked to, then found that was already covered. Toughbooks ship with clean Windows installs so there is never any crapware to induce hangs, bsods, and the like, and they consistently lead in the most important race, lowest number of returns in first year of use. I don't normally forum dive, but the title of this post is so ridiculous I couldn't resist. Macbooks are ok for what they are (with the possible caveat that Apple seems unaware of the issue of heat in laptops), I've got one, but the most reliable they are not. As for the CNET "torture" test, the Macbook would not survive the first round of the MilSpec testing Toughbooks (rugged models) all must pass. I haven't put much stock in CNET reviews since they reviewed the CF-18 Toughbook when it was new. The reviewer went to pains to point out the location of the "fan vent". It doesn't have one, a fan that is. Apple would do well to look at one of these as they managed to stay fanless until the most recent CF-31 and I have never had a heat issue until I got my Macbook.
CAP

 

Same here, though I stopped taking CNET seriously when they were exposed to having a selection bias in their reviews by completely ignoring DishTV's equipment (due to legal battles between CNET's parent and DishTV).

 

15 inch macbook pro retina is still the most reliable windows laptop with a discrete gpu, no other laptop with a discrete gpu comes close.

 

Hahahaha, workstation laptops...

 

Not really, attached is a screen shot of the device manager on my elderly Panasonic CF-52 Toughbook.



CAP

 

Macbook pro 13 the most reliable windows laptop without a discrete gpu and macbook pro retina 15 the most reliable laptop with a discrete gpu. Apple tops windows reliability.

 

Soo... you're just going to plug your ears with your fingers and ignore posters.....?

C'mon now, act a bit more mature than that.

 

may be reliable but for gaming its not that great lol. i hate using mac while gaming mouse sensitivity is weird...

 

You're comparing Apple, a hardware company, to Windows, an operating system.

One sells electronic devices, whereas the other runs on ~90% of all PCs.

You're making an orchard and apples comparison here...

 

I said windows reliability not physical reliability and if it was physical reliability then a toughbook is different from a notebook. Oh and I didnt like your post, you did using my account.

 

Using your account? Sorry, but "Jarhead" is the only NBR account I use.

OP implied physical reliability, but if we're going to talk OS reliability tyen that's mostly up to the user. If all you're doing is surfing the web and doing basic Office stuff, anything will be very reliable, though everything is also wide open to social engineering attacks (humans are the weakest security link, and some humans are less bright than others).

If you want my two cents on "OS reliability", I've personally never seen Windows XP/Vista/7 (and so far, 8 in a VM) have any issues running. No driver issues, no "degrading over time" (some argument I see from time to time in these pointless OS debates), nada. Stuff just works. Same can be said for OSX; the "real" OSX machines I've used (Apple) worked exactly as well as Windows concerning the previously-mentioned potential problems, and same with my OSX VM (though funny enough, first thing I did was accidentally install a drive-by OSX malware because I clicked the wrong link, but I just had to reinstall the VM). Ditto for several Linux variaties (not surprising, since OSX and Linux are practically the same thing).

So, you want to move the goal posts again?

 

I'm not sure where to start. Panasonic makes an extensive line of notebook, tablet, and convertible portable computers. They do not manufacture desktop machines. To call the laptop Toughbooks "different from a notebook" is just silly. As for Windows "reliability" I would be interested to hear how it is possible for a Macbook, which is just an assembly of the same parts everyone else uses, ram, cpu, gpu, hard drive, etc to run any software more reliably than any other computer of similar build quality. I wasn't going to say this but you have forced my hand. When I set out to buy my first Macbook a month or so ago I was shocked to discover that Macbooks aren't particularly well made, they have serious heat problems, and are, IMHO, seriously overpriced for what they are. I spent quite a bit more for my Late 2008 all aluminum Macbook than I planned on spending, not because I needed that much computer, any Intel Mac would have served my purpose. I just couldn't bring myself to buy a computer that was listed on the Flea as, "good shape, just missing the usual big pieces of case and palm rest to be expected from a four year old computer". Knowing nothing about Macs I slipped over to this forum and asked for some advice which I received promptly and took to heart because the responses came from individuals with a lot more green jelly beans than I have. Enough said on this, your original premise didn't make much sense but if you like it it's not for me to try to change your mind, probably not possible anyway.
CAP

 

This entire post just hurts my head..As someone who has had as many OSX laptops as Windows, you are just completely wrong. Listen to what Jarhead and Cap are saying, and you might learn something.