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    Macbook advertised cpu speed vs actual

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by xprohx, Jun 2, 2006.

  1. xprohx

    xprohx Notebook Evangelist

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    So I ran into an interesting read yesterday...

     
  2. xprohx

    xprohx Notebook Evangelist

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    After running coreduotemp on my macbook I found that it was staying at 1500mhz. It would throttle up to 2000mhz for a second or two and even drop down to 1000mhz, but it would stay at 1500mhz for the most part.

    How does everyone elses MB perform? Does anyone think this is wrong? Here is the thread I found it in...

    http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/332001339731
     
  3. Pressure

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    I think what we see here is a classic case of CPU throttling due to excessive heat.
     
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    i agree .
     
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    "So the "Genius" left for a few minutes and was replaced by "Genius Manager". "Genius Manager" said he heard I was having a "special problem" and that he was here to help. I went through the entire explanation again with this guy. "Normal behavior" he said, that's what happens when the CPU goes to 100%. The CPUs have to throttle to keep the machine cool." - Article

    The article mentions cpu throttling...the only misleading part is that the "genius" said it was normal. The throttling is normal, but the 75-90° temperatures aren't. As about 100 threads on here have gone over, some macbooks overheat. The cpu is definately capable of 1.83ghz when working right.

    Glad he got the problem solved. There were some shady people at the apple store (that mac "genius" must have known the problem...pretty sly by trying to mention made up bus speeds). I wouldn't take this text too serious though...every company has a few bad seeds. It does seem to be the growing trend though...

    (I like how no one actually reads the article... :))
     
  6. ael719

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    my macbook has been running at a steady 65-70C at less than 20% CPU usage and I'm only getting 1500 mhz

    should i try for an exchange? is mine faulty or is it perfectly fine?
     
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    :(

    mines runs at 65-70 and is usually stuck at 1500 with the occassional speed bumps to 2000 that last for 3 seconds

    i wish i bought a real 2ghz computer :(

    EDIT
    upon further messing around with coreduotemp i got the cpu usage to over 50% and now im at 84% celcius while running the battery

    the only positive being that now i'm running at 2000mhz consistently

    it only runs at 2ghz when its under heavy cpu usage and now the mooing is annoying the hell out of me

    Is this acceptable or should i exchange it?
     
  8. Pressure

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    That's how a mobile processor work. When the full power is not needed it throttles back. The same happens on any other notebook.

    However, when you run an application that needs 50% or more CPU usage, it will throttle back up to 2.0Ghz.

    You can try and open the terminal and write the following:
    yes > /dev/null

    Open another shell in Terminal (apple-n) and type
    yes > /dev/null

    That should give you a continuous 100% CPU usage.

    I find CoreDuoTemp unreliable to "guess" my processor temperature. It only varies 2°C from idle to full load on my MacBook Pro, which is clearly not true.

    Does your laptop feel as hot as CoreDuoTemp reports?
     
  9. SRD

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    IM not sure if you guys really are just familiar with apple notebooks.But i with pc laptops using the same chipset,There is never an issue running full speed. Even with some super thin and small notebooks you never see those kind of issues. The macbook isnt small for its screen size compared to say an asus w7 or sony sz.neither of those have anything remotely like this issue. WHen you set your pc to run full speed it should stay that way. The pc notebooks will shut down if overheated to preserve the laptop. I just dont understand what apple is doing so differently. It just seems strange when you can get so many other machines that are smaller and more powerful that have no heat issues. I have been using pentium ms for years i know the core duo is different. But anyone who has a mac and it cant run at full speed that is not normal at all return the thing for another or your money back.
     
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    On PC counterparts we have apps that can set the cpu speed to full or we can just use windows and set to full speed. do you have any apps like that. If you are encoding audio or video it should stay pegged at 100% till done.

    Your laptop should under hit 80 to 90 after hard gaming. other than that i really havent seen a laptop do it. you should try installing XP and use Centrino hardware control. Use that to set it at max speed and monitor the temp. Its a good app see if it reaches that temp. a laptop should not reach 90 from normal use ever.
     
  11. Pressure

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    It does stay pegged at all times if you are encoding audio or video (or anything else that requires processor power). The cooling solution in the MacBook Pro is plenty powerful...when the fans start that is ;)

    Atleast my MacBook Pro does.

    Unfortunately, Apple controls Intel SpeedStep settings. The only thing we can adjust is for Better Battery Life, Normal and Better Performance.

    I also highly doubt that the software currently measuring temperatures are reading from the correct sensor or working as intended.
     
  12. SRD

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    There is so much software available for windows to control cpu speed fan speed voltage. Hopefully somone will port them over to mac. Or couldnt you run then under mac os with emulation software? im sure the reading will be the same just to see if the mac software you are using is accurate for temps.
     
  13. Pressure

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    It depends how Apple have implemented the sensors. Hopefully it reads directly from the on-die thermal sensor.

    I don't plan on running virtualization but I could give it a try :)