Macbook pro base model worse?

its made worse from the upgrade.

how can it will a macbook pro when its got a 9400m? a £1300 laptop with a ingergrated gpu?

the processor upgrade wasent amazeing but the ram and battery upgrade was nice. unless you want a higher end macbook pro, i feel they made the base model worse.

adding a few things shouldnt make them want to remove the only thing other then size that makes it different from the 13.3", a 9600m gt.

macbook pro(13.3") high end model:
13-inch: 2.53GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in 7-hour battery2
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
£1,149.00

macbook pro 15.4" base model
15-inch: 2.53GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
4GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in 7-hour battery2
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
£1,299.00

thy should least least give a upgrade option or charged £30-50 more and gave a 9600m gt.
thats stupid...

lucky i bought mine early

 

Apple did that for two reasons. One is to have at least one 15" MBP that's at a price entry point that never existed before (for a 15 MBP) and second, quite a few people wanted the 1st gen unibody Macbook only with a 15" screen (not needing/wanting a dedicated GPU and where battery life was more important).

Having said that, I'd say the vast majority of 15 buyers will most likely opt for the higher-end models which not only add a dedicated GPU, but a larger HD and a faster CPU too.

 

yh, but at £1300, its not really that low, its £50 less then what it use to be. im sure it was £1350.

for a lower price of £50, you lose a 9600m gt which is worth quite a lot:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/nVIDIA-GF-9600M-GT-G96M-NB9P-GS-512M-MXM-II-VGA-Card_W0QQitemZ120423770609QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item1c09d0e9f1&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177&_trkparms=240%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

which is one of the more expensive parts in the macbook pro.

compare the price of that to the cpu upgrade, 4gb ram(cost apple £10 most?) and a inbuilt battery which they will make a killing off when people need a new one, i think its a worse that.

wouldnt you pay £50 to get the 2.4ghz 9600m gt model, install 4gb your self and it would be nearly as quick as the 2.66ghz model?

 

although with a education discount, they actually have 1 decently priced laptop that i think is worth it:


13-inch: 2.26GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB Memory
160GB hard drive1
SD card slot
Built-in 7-hour battery2
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M graphics
£772.80

 

Its all marketing for people who want a 15" laptop but not shell out $2000. The base $2000 model MBPS got some upgrades so its still a better deal for people who would have bought a macbook pro before WWDC

 

If the difference is only about 50 quid, I wouldn't choose the entry-level 15" MBP, either.

The price difference here is $300 ($1700 vs $2000), which seems like a more reasonable discount for losing the 9600 card.

 

UK prices started higher then the US and goes down less then the US too

 

anyone who does not do heavy editing or media work, or of course games. Has no real need for something better than a 9400. Besides this saves these average users 800 bucks!

 

Won't the screen of the 15 inch be better than 13 inch - just like how it's always been? So the upgrade price from 13 - 15 inch is really paying for a larger and improved screen.

 

And better speakers.

 

That's true. Many people wanted a bigger and better screen from the Macbook's screen, and they got it with the new MBP's.

 

Didn't they give the new 13" MBP the better screen, same as the 15" MBP?

 

yeah! i too wonder that.

does the new 13" MBP has better screen?

does the new 15" entry level (9400 IGP only) still retain the good MBP screen of the past (or its higher end brethren).

 

Now I'm torn between the 1399 13inch and the 1599 15inch. I have a 17inch windows laptop and its too big to lug around. The 13inch macbook i owned was perfect for portability but the screen was just a hair too small.....15 might be too big though and the extra pound does make a difference.

 

I know what you mean. I love my 16.4" Sony, but sometimes I wish it were smaller.

 

Think I might get the 13 and just start saving for the LED display. Would have $300 towards it right off the bat.

 

Uk price it a rip off. i paid £1399 for mine + the remote which brings it to £1414 and then i upgraded the ram (another £50). and i still have to buy apple care, not to forget the Money i paid for the backpack and the sleeve. sometimes i wonder if i was a craziness that i bought an apple laptop. I mean, if this falls down one day, it will dent and bend. Warranty is void (£273 wasted) and then it becomes a visual pollution.

 

You can thank the very cheap case manufacturing for that... cheap aluminium + jetting + tightly-packed components = expensive to replace...

There were a lot of people that got the 15" for a bigger screen while not needing the extra features. The base model caters to those people.

 

The Joy of buying from ebay and making use of MS cashback. 2.66GHZ MBP NIB + Applecare for 2150, with MS Cashbak $1950 (1250 GBP, 1396 Euro)

 

Oh man, that's a great price!

 

the joy of buying off ebay with common sense, 2 month old MBP 2.4ghz with 3 year applecare for £1020

 

nice prices bros!!! i guess i should use ebay next time.

 

wow..
that's a good price.
I got mine BNIB for 1750 CAD, base model mbp, which is still pretty decent.
They are now selling the refurb for 1449CAD (plus tax = 1640), I kinda feel ripped off by apple pricing scheme

 

worse? yes.

a lot cheaper? yes.

overall situation with new macbook pros? eh.

 

If your not a casual gamer the 9600 is useless. It was a great idea to remove it and offer it for cheaper. I'm not even sure why apple still kept the 9600, and not moved on to a GT 130m, the 9600's successor. Basically faster and uses the same amount of power and heat. It also supports 1gig vram. 9600 is kind of old now. Oh well, the price cuts are still great, and the pros with 9600 are still very competitive now.

EDIT: What the hell? Why did the $2000 model downgrade to 256mb vram?? Seems like a pointless decrease probably intended to just squeeze a couple more $$ profit out of every mac. Wow apple. Its got to cost less that $25 for that 256mb.

 

Xhibit, the bottom $2000 model has ALWAYS had half the VRAM of the higher-end models, starting with the original MBP in 2006 where you could get the bottom model with 128MB VRAM on the ATI x1600, or 256MB VRAM on the higher models.

 

apple didnt put the GT 130M in as they are saving it for the november/december upgrade, my thought anyway.

look at the iphone, they had a £400 phone and didnt put a video recorder in it? just so they can say "now its got a video rec"

yh, but even the base macbook pro has never had a intergrated gpu? 9400m is like a intergrated gpu.


The annoying thing is, you are buying a £1300 laptop and its got a 9400m in it?
then they try to compensate that with 2gb more ram and a quicker processor thats useless if they bought the laptop with a 9400m.
if you dont play games or do multimedia editing and stuff, then you might just buy a 9400m for the larger screen but your not going to use the ram and extra gpu power. might as well keep in 2.4ghz and take more money off...

For people who need/want a macbook pro with a 9600m GT, its making them pay a lot more. the higher end models probably werent selling enough is my guess.

they cant blame it costs too much for the cut cut, cpu and ram upgrade as apple buy those in tons and they are really cheap.
i bought a quad core laptop with a 4850 and that cost me £760 so im sure apple is just ripping people off.

 

have you sold your mac??

 

no, still have it but i give it to my bro to use as he really wanted a macbook pro.
i dont use it much as i dnt like mac OS, only use it when i need the battery for a long time

 

Apple's price are hardware + OS X. You cannot just dig up any WindoZe hardware and then directly compare it to a Mac. Mac users are paying for both the hardware and the OS.

 

Nothing really changed and the base 15" isn't worst because its now cheaper.

Before:
13" 2.0 ghz
15" 2.4ghz /w 9600gt @$2000

After
13" 2.26ghz @1199
15" /without 9600gt @$1699
15" 2.53ghz /w 9600gt @$2000

So everything got a speed bump and slightly reduced prices, which is good IMO. The 13" probably got the most upgrades though.

 

it has changed in the UK. you could get a MBP with a 9600m GT for £1350, now its £1500....

 

Wow it took 4 pages for someone to realise. I bought my MBP + 9600M GT for £1360. To get a 9600M GT MBP in the UK now you have to pay £1500. It appears as if in the US you still pay the same for a 9600M GT but less for a 15" without a 9600M GT.

If I were buying now I'd be leaving Apple I would not be willing to pay £1500 for mid range mobile graphics. Given the issues I have had with this hunk'o junk I still may.

 

that is bad...no,actually,that is pathetic!

 

In the us you can get $800 pc with a 9600, $1000 for an hp with one. The reason apple doesn't put a real high end gpu is because of the heat higher end cards will generate. The only better card they could really put in there is a GT 130m, which someone else said they might be saving for later. Unless they switch to ATI.

 

£760 and i got a quad core laptop(sig) which is nicely build with aliminium.
how can apple charge about double for something that worse

 

^nicely built?really?I have seen that laptop at Cebit and it fealt like cheap Chinese toy!

 

ok guys, lets say my mac died and apple decides to replace it. what model will i be having? The base 9400m only? or the midrange 2.66Ghz with 9600m gt+9400m? I'm worried because mine is the base model and the new base model is weaker.

 

Even if it's the base model, yours has a dedicate GPU so you have a strong case for getting the new mid-range 15.

 

If it happens in the near future they might replace it with the same one as they might still have those in stock.

 

they wont ever give you a downgrade.... if for some reason they tried to give you a 9400 only model, tell them its unacceptable and why... and speak to a person higher up if needed. They'll give you a 9600 model

 

if your mac dies they will most likely repair it... unlikely that they would replace it with either of the new models.

 

yh, if they can replace parts, they will as its cheaper.

although if its fully messed and they cant fix, i dunno, i wouldnt take a 9400m gt tho as id say thats a cheaper/worse model and yours had a 9600m gt which is better.