New MacBook Pro with 9th Gen Intel CPUs

Apple refreshed their Macbooks to the new 9th gen BGA chips including the i7-9750H and i9-9980HK.

9980HK = 2.4 x 16 threads
8950HK = 2.9 x 12 threads

I'm more curious about how hot the 9980HK will run considering the 9900 is a furnace.

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...h-new-intel-chips-enhanced-butterfly-keyboard

 

Oh god... Here we have a laptop that can't handle a quad-core i7 and they cram an 8 core CPU into it

Doesn't take an engineer to know that this laptop is NOT going to run well under loads. No way it can maintain base clocks with an all core load. And the best part is that they offer the "weaker" 8 core i9 as well as the unlocked and OC ready i9

 

Specs more important than if it will work as intended. Charge more get less. Expect new rounds of same awful tragedy... https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/20/intel_core_i9_performance_in_dell_apple_laptops/


And this will apply both Apple and Windows Jokebook's.

 

Gotta love having an 8 core i9 CPU that would legitimately be at home in a desktop being gimped with a laptop's cooling.

 

Wow no redesign... still same crappy keyboard, same cooling that was overheating a 6-core...

And Yes I've actually used one. I still prefer my 2013 model.

Well....the 8-core i9 "desktop" CPU in my Area-51m runs as it would in a desktop.

Just recently started doing rendering on it and wow it runs very well.

 

Well the A51 isn’t much of a laptop as it is a desktop with a screen and keyboard built into the case

 

I take it to school and work in my backpack so depends on the person I guess.

Also have carried my M18xR2 (bigger than Area-51m but almost matches my macbook pro in battery life) to work and school.

Can't imagine carrying my old 50+lb watercooled desktop around anywhere like this.

Area-51m lasts 2 hrs with my usage so I'd say that's the limiting factor for me.

My Macbook gets me 4 hours with my usage. M18xR2 gets 3 1/2 hours.
-------------------
EDIT: On a side note here's a benchmark of the new macbook:

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/05/23/new-8-core-macbook-pro-benchmarks/

~14.5% increase single thread compared to the 2018 mbp I tested
~40.8% increase single thread compared to my 2013 mbp

~38.3% increase in multi-core compared to the 2018 mbp I tested
~200% increase in multi-core compared to my 2013 mbp lol

Sounds about right

 

Does the new MBP get a new cooling system?

 

Maybe the cooling from the Vega GPU 2018 model.

But, eh, considering $5000 DTR are struggling, don't get your hopes up.

 

Numbers are a little off. I just tested GB4 on my MP Pro 2018 i9. Multicore is spot on, but single core was 5598. Either way, my recently upgraded P870DM-G smashes it in tank like fashion with daily driver 8086k @ 4.5ghz on all cores.

I'm sure my shop will get some 2019 i9's in and I'll probably swap out my work 2018 because any improvements over this trash keyboard are welcomed. I've used the 2016/2017 and now 2018 and the keyboard is just garbage. I use an external 99% of the time.

The fact Apple has enacted a 4 year extended warranty program on the keyboard INCLUDING the newly introduced 2019 "with keyboard improvements" is telling. This will come back to bite Apple on the keister, as in their rush to finesse everything as small as possible, the keyboard and battery come together as one assembly so whenever your MacBook keyboard fails, your new keyboard will include a new battery.

 

Snazzy did a decent review including freezer treatment and liquid metal on the 9980hk (2.4) model.

The takeaway is the CPU tops out at ~50w under load (from an 85w availability), and regardless of TIM used, the tiny heatsink saturates (just quicker with LM) so it is basically useless except for quieting down the fans during low to mid loads. It isn't worth the trade off and he'll be switching back to traditional thermal compound.

The reason this year's model seems to work better is Apple switched the TIM they use with better application. Wait, better TIM applied correctly yields better thermals?! SHOCKING!

Apple purposely targets fan profiles to run as quiet as possible eschewing optimal cooling unless throttling is happening. The 6000rpm fans are also very loud under load (I can attest to that lol), but setting your own fan curves yields better performance (duh).

 

Is it limited in TDP? It seems like LM and cranking fans doesn't do quite as much as I would expect. It is either power throttled at 50W or the puny heatsink just can't handle the chip

 

It's the puny heatsink for the hot and heavy workloads.. It's so small that all LM does is speed up the initial saturation under heavy load and, relatively quickly, the temps plateau as the modest HSF cant dissipate that much heat even @ 50w.

I do suspect in lighter workloads that can clock higher and not thermal throttle, power throttling comes into play as ~50w is the cap which makes sense in a total power delivery system of 85w for the entire system.

Basically, if the heat doesn't get ya, the power limits will. Sometimes you might get lucky and experience both.

Is the 9980hk working within baseline spec for many use cases? Yes, so Apple is delivering as modestly promised. But it's a shame with a chip that is designed to offer so much more when given better cooling and more power is hindered on both fronts.

 

I've never understood Apple's dogged insistence in only offering an 85W AC adapter with its laptops. If it's because of aesthetic/design considerations, I will happily point them in Razer's direction as they have consistently managed to produce slim 150-160W power bricks for their machines.

 

Here is a more detailed monitoring of the power envelope and thermals of the 9980H (not HK) in the MBP 15 2019 using CB20 chained runs.

It is drawing up to 81w (!) initially before the heat quickly sends it into a tailspin to ~2.9ghz (still ~600mhz above rated speed).

Just for a proper apple to apple comparison, I would like to see someone with both apply LM or Kryo to both top HK models, since Apple switched both TIM and application method on the 2019.

 

As with most apple laptop, they use crazy high turbo boosts over a short period of time to accelerate bursty loads to maintain a fast experience, but performance tanks onec you do something for more than 1 minute

 

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple...ple-using-selected-test-samples.423827.0.html

 

Apple May Be Releasing New Low-End MacBook Pro Model Maybe one of the main reasons for Jony Ive's goodbye to Apple?

 

It amazes me that Apple continues to disregard thermal and power constraints, and to top it all off, marries a broken motherboard design to a broken keyboard design. Hey at least they’re consistent

 

Yeah, but there are only few people who notice their JBP(Jokebook pros) thermal throttling out of the box for free even after shelling out 3000$ plus taxes and in reality perform worse than 5 yr Macbooks.

 

The new Samsung

FAA Bans Recalled 15-Inch MacBook Pro Models Due to Battery Fire Risk on Flights wccftech.com | Aug 14,2019

"The Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) of the U.S. has banned a select number of MacBook Pro models from being brought on flights as they pose a serious fire hazard. The regulatory authority has reportedly advised airlines on what precautions it must take in order to prevent any irreparable damage"

 

A first time for Apple. jokebooks is too hot to handle even with air conditioning.

 

Yeah I found that funny i.e. Karma.

 

Maybe Apple could offer a proprietary Phase Change cooler as an options for their overheating Jokebooks?

 

I'd love to get mac version of cheese grater and toaster along with tea maker that is Apple certified to give 100% taste all the time.

 

Yup, Apple's blown it again... it's gonna be a mess of a delay for Macbook owners at the TSA...

FAA Bans Some Recalled MacBook Pro Models From Flying, Citing Fire Risk
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...o-models-from-flying-citing-fire-risk.830055/