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    New MacBooks will have 9400GS and nVidia chipset - CONFIRMED!!!

    Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by plasma., Oct 13, 2008.

  1. plasma.

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    http://www.appleinsider.com/article...tel_chipsets_for_nvidias_in_new_macbooks.html

    OMG OMG OMG HYBRID SLI, TURBO MEMORY, DDR3 RAM!!!!!!!

    YEAHHHHHH
     
  2. plasma.

    plasma. herpyderpy

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    oh, and to add to the awesomeness - BLU RAY SUPPORT!

    http://www.edibleapple.com/kevin-rose-drops-macbook-blu-ray-rumor-at-live-diggnation-event/
     
  3. YasirJ

    YasirJ Notebook Consultant

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    old news :(
     
  4. plasma.

    plasma. herpyderpy

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    How? Came out today!
     
  5. JDELUNA

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    My opinion if the MBP only gets upgraded to the 9600M that would not be good :( Hoping for at least a 9700M GTS or even an ATI 4850 :) Again just my thoughts and wants. God Bless :)
     
  6. csinth

    csinth Snitch?

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    MBPs get hot enough with 8600s in them.. there's no way they stepped up the cooling enough (or at all) to be able to handle a hotter, more powerful graphics card.
     
  7. Xirurg

    Xirurg ORLY???

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    ^And may I ask how do you know that?
     
  8. Phil

    Phil Retired

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    Does anyone know how 9400GS performs against 9300GS. Is it a real improvement?

    And will Nvidia chipsets be as power efficient as Intel Centrino 2?
     
  9. Xirurg

    Xirurg ORLY???

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    no one knows that...yet! :D
     
  10. plasma.

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    Lysander will be very happy xD

    I think the nVidia chipset will be the same heat-wise if not even cooler.
     
  11. Lysander

    Lysander AFK, raid time.

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    Hell yeah, how did you know? :p

    I loved my old Macbook, but the X3100 just didnt cut it. Now I can be happy!
     
  12. rapion125

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    I do not see how Apple can't fit a 9700M GTS in the 17" MacBook Pro. There's plenty of ways to make it cooler. Make the laptop thicker and that drops the temperature by a lot. It doesn't have to run at 50 degrees C at full load. As long as its 5 degrees below the max operating temperature, then it's fine.
     
  13. talin

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    Guess I wont be buying a macbook then. :rolleyes:
     
  14. csinth

    csinth Snitch?

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    This is what I was getting at with my previous comment. Apple wouldn't make the Macbook Pro bigger just to accommodate for a hotter, more powerful graphics card. When it comes to the design of the case, it seems to be form over function.

    Previous Macbooks use more passive cooling to dissipate the heat generated through the case of the notebook, almost making the whole laptop a heat-sink. This in itself is bad, because it means the case gets hot, and that means keeping the laptop on your lap would be painful due to the heat. The 17'' Macbook got hot enough with an 8600 in it. I don't think it could handle anything more than that without heat being a serious issue.

    Laptops really do need side vents, something that Apple likes to omit from its designs. From the latest leaked pictures, it seems as though Apple will not have a side vent again. If Apple simply included a side vent, I'm sure they'd be able to stuff more powerful graphics cards into the Macbook Pros.

    This seems to be the case with the new Macbooks also. The new designs don't appear to have side vents, and they sure don't seem any thicker. I'm also assuming the 9xxx graphics cards line create more or less the same amount of heat as the previous generation of graphics cards, not including the heat problems associated with the 8600s.

    I'd be very surprised if Apple offered anything better than an 9600. It would be great, but to me it seems infeasible.
     
  15. ltcommander_data

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    I think the OP jumped the gun in calling it a 9400M GS. All we know is that it's a new IGP that will offer 9300M or 9400M class performance. The 9300M GS is a discrete card and unless Apple is offering fast, dedicated memory for their IGP, then a 9400M class IGP will still be slower than a discrete 9300M GS especially as resolutions increase regardless of how nVidia labels it.

    And power consumption of nVidia chipsets is actually a valid concern. nVidia chipsets have been known to be fast, especially their memory controllers, but aren't known to be the lowest power. I don't really see nVidia's chipset to be lower power than Intel solutions since Intel moved to their 65nm process with Montevina while the previous Santa Rosa was 90nm. In the end, it might be justified since added performance may mean nVidia has better performance/watt even if Montevina wins in absolute power usage. The newer Penryns seems very efficient and the lower-end Penryns that are ones a MacBook would use have a lower 25W TDP so Apple has thermal and power room for a higher power chipset.
     
  16. Red_Dragon

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    it should be about a 1000 3d mark improvement over the 9300gs so maybe about 3000 3d mark. This makes sense as the 9500 gets close to 4000 it all adds up.
     
  17. unnamed01

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    Ummm isn't appleinsider also a rumor site? Not sure how this confirms it though.
     
  18. t3rom

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    Agreed, don't count your chickens before they hatch!
     
  19. Deathwinger

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    So what does this mean for installation of the MAC OSX on Montevina based laptops?
     
  20. t3rom

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    No talk about Mac OS X on non Apple hardware.
     
  21. Deathwinger

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    So technically, if Apple did not use Montevina, then there would never be an Montevina based OSX computer?
     
  22. ltcommander_data

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    Technically Apple has never used Santa Rosa or Napa either. Since Montevina, Santa Rosa, and Napa are platforms that require a Core 2 CPU, an Intel chipset, and an Intel wireless card. Apple has never used Intel wireless cards and so Apple has never used the full Intel mobile platform.

    iMacs or the Mac Mini may still use Montevina (the chipset and CPUs).
     
  23. Deathwinger

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    Wrong about the chipset. Montevina refers to the processor, Centrino 2 refers to the chipset.

    It would be nice if they did use Montevina. As I would like to have a MAC with the tried and true Montevina processor.
     
  24. ltcommander_data

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    Montevina is not a processor. The processor is Penryn. Penryn with a 800MHz FSB was available for Santa Rosa, and the resulting platform was dubbed Santa Rosa Refresh. Just like the 667MHz FSB Merom Core 2 Duo being added to the Napa platform resulted in the Napa Refresh platform. Montevina couples the new 4x series chipset with Penryns on a 1066MHz FSB. Kind of like how Santa Rosa coupled the then new mobile 96x series chipsets with Meroms running on a 800MHz FSB.

    And Centrino 2 does not refer to a chipset. Centrino 2 is simply a marketing term for non-tech savy people to hide all the other terms underneath. Montevina is the platform. Penryn is the processor. Cantiga is the chipset. Echo Peak and Shirley Peak are the wireless card options. Centrino 2 is the brand.
     
  25. mc511

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    Thanks for clearing that up ^^^^. I actually thought centrino 2 was the cpu. Sweeet.
     
  26. chen

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    What a great decision made by Apple to make their graphics superior over counterpart pc-laptops by using the NVIDIA platform (hopefully no problems with the NVIDIA stuff this time)....if the Macbooks do come with the Hybrid 9400M GS, DDR3 RAM, the newest Intel CPU, and student discount it would certainly be a good deal!
     
  27. darrickmartin

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    I think this is what is meant by 9400M

    taken from nvidias site ( http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9300m_gs.html):

    so there is no actual "9400M", but instead the 9300M plus the integrated when working together will achieve the performance of a theoretical "9400M" card
     
  28. talin

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    This is more and more disappointing. :(
    Another nvidia rumor. *sigh*
    I know I'm the black sheep in this thread :)o), but some might like this latest developement. :)