November 17 is the day we get to see apple "chipped" macs.

The date we get to see what apple has up their sleeve when it comes to apple silicon is Nov 17. I am very curious if they are going to go all in and FINALLY bring touchscreen to mac. It's long overdue. Everything in Big Sur has aligned with them moving to touch and their argument about it taking sales from it's other devices is out the window now with ipad pro and air both having touchpad keyboard support. I think 2020/2021 is the year/s for touchscreen to finally come to mac.

A 2 in 1 form factor macbook pro with pencil support and 27" imac with "easel" stand for folding to create and draw will be both very very tempting.

I was off by one week. November 10th. The invites went out today. I am very curious to see if they finally man up and make touchscreen macs etc.

 

I saw that they scheduled something last night for Nov 10th... I agree it will be interesting to see what the decided to do with their own engineered silicon.

 

From early leaks the same laptop with new processors. BORING!

 

Physically, the ARM Macbooks will look the same. What is interesting is the return of the small 13" Macbook. Imagine an iPad sized device capable of running desktop applications; full trackpad support, etc. Imagine a Macbook comparable in price to the iPad. The device would go from being primarily a consumption device to a production device. Only question in my mind would be why would Apple consider cannibalizing sales of its successful SKUs - the iPad.

 

This is the reason why I still believe we won't see touchscreens on these new Macs, especially if their pricing comes in anywhere close to an iPad Pro. That being said, I'm less confident in this prediction than I was, say six months ago.

 

A 2 in 1 and surface studio type imac won't cannibalize any ipad sales. I have a 2 in 1 computer and an ipad. Two extremely different use cases. I'm typing this on my iPad, I would not use my 2 in 1 in tablet mode on the couch here having a whisky and relaxing.

 

Perhaps so, but others may feel differently or may not have the wherewithal to get both and will make the best of what they have.

 

Alright, I've deleted the back and forth stuff (may fault for dragging it out for so long when things were not going anywhere). That will be the end of it or I'll just close the thread. If you feel I did so wrongly, please feel free to PM me.

 

I didn't get into the details, but I guess 5nm ARM chips is about the only thing that is new. Not sure there's much else newsworthy other than that

"Apple is breaking a 15-year partnership with Intel on its Macs — here’s why"

- Apple announced three new Mac computers on Tuesday: a MacBook Air, a 13-inch MacBook Pro, and a Mac Mini. They essentially look the same as their predecessors.

- Now they’re powered by Apple’s M1 chip instead of Intel processors.

- ...ARM was originally designed for mobile devices, and chips built with ARM designs are consistently more efficient, leading to longer battery life. On a laptop, that could mean several extra hours away from the plug.

- Apple proudly said on Tuesday that the M1 chip in the new Macs uses 5-nanometer transistors.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/10/why...year-partnership-with-intel-on-its-macs-.html

 

Aaaand, no touchscreen Macs with this first wave of Apple silicon.

 

But, can it run Crysis?

 

Yeah in another thread a few months ago after WWDC, I also said I didn’t believe touch screen Macs would arrive any time soon, I expected at least a chassis redesign though. The 13” inch Pro at this point with those massive bezels looks dated. My guess is a chassis redesign is probably going to happen/start with the expected mini led 16” model in March possibly.

 

All M1 Mac Models No Longer Support eGPU Solutions via Thunderbolt Connection wccftech.com

One of the biggest selling points of having even a single Thunderbolt 3 port on your notebook was the ability to support and connect eGPU solutions to get that extra graphics performance increase. Whether it’s playing games or doing some graphically intensive work, the eGPU always came in handy when connected via Thunderbolt. Unfortunately, no M1 Mac model that Apple announced today supports these solutions, despite having Thunderbolt ports.

Apple Reportedly Removing All Third-Party GPU Support in Favor of Its Custom Solution
Whether you order the M1 MacBook Air, the M1 MacBook Pro, or the M1 Mac mini, you’ll no longer see eGPU support with these models. We found this out by checking each product page’s specifications and noticed that there’s no mention of the Blackmagic eGPU, which is Apple’s preferred external GPU enclosure. With that out of the way, how do users intend on getting that increase bump in graphics performance?

Why the need for eGPU support? Beacuse Apple claimed during its presentation that its 5nm M1 chip boasts the world’s fastest integrated graphics solution Want one bro @Mr. Fox ? It's tiny and it comes with brand new silicon

And with Apple's silicon you don't need more than 16GB ram. Why fill up all aviable space in the small Jokebook chassis with more soldered on ram chips? Not good for the Mother nature when the time have come and you need to throw it in your dustbin.

The New M1 Mac mini Comes Apple’s 8-Core & GPU, Delivers 3x More CPU Performance, and Only Costs $699 wccftech.com

Apple’s New M1 MacBook Air, Pro and Mini Can’t be Configured with More than 16GB of RAM wccftech.com

 

The 13” Pro ARM model replaces the old entry level 13” not the higher end models which still support 32GB RAM and use x86 chips hence still the two ports on the new ones vs four ports on the upper tier x86 models. These are more equivalent to Intel’s U series. They’ll likely go for the rumored higher performance 12 Core ARM chips (8 Big / 4 Small Cores ) with the 16” and rumored 14” model onwards.

As for Intel, AMD is the immediate threat nibbling away at the edges but in the long run ARM implementations especially with MS also now putting more effort into ARM version of W10 and possibly RISC-V may also start becoming bigger long run competitors to x86 market share wise. Not surprisingly Intel is one of the big investors in Si-Five, looks like they are trying to adapt.

 

nope pretty lacklustre event IMO. The normal baseless numbers tossing. And the words magical use ALOT.



Gotta love this graph showing no quantifiable information.

 

Wouldn't it be funny if the x-axis was milliwatts and y-axis is 1/10th a point on some sort of benchmark?

Regardless there will be ppl gobbling this up left and right, because... we'll we all know the reason why, and don't need to go there.

 

Linus NAILS it.....



And this Nails it too.

https://mspoweruser.com/apple-prete...o-the-arm-party-by-bringing-back-im-a-pc-guy/

So it seems apple told a little fib a couple of months back when the announced the ARM macs. They claimed that all X86 programs will run "Just as fast" on rosetta as they would on native X86 machines. Turns out, (in the words of Maury), that was a lie! Now it's SOME, not ALL. Microsoft has tested Office on rosetta and it's much slower on Armac compared to intelmac. They are blasting out an ARM mac version to insiders this week to test.

 

You mean that an emulated environment doesn't run as fast as a native environment? Color me shocked, lol.

 

If there was one set of applications I would have expected to run correctly and quickly with Rosetta 2, it would have been Office. I wager 99.9% of people who use Macs for business (myself included) use Office instead of Apple's suite or whatever open source alternatives might exist.

Microsoft probably only bought one of the new ARM developer kits and forced the entire division to share it.

 

No, the new MacBook Air is not faster than 98% of PC laptops pcworld.com

Let's just say this out loud, OK? Apple is full of it.



Let me just say it outloud, OK? Apple is full of it. I’m referring to Apple’s claim that its fanless, Arm-based MacBook Air is “faster than 98 percent of PC laptops.” Yes, you read that correctly: Apple officials literally claimed that the new MacBook Air using Apple’s custom M1 chip is faster than 98 percent of all PC laptops sold this year.

Have some dignity, Apple
But what really infuriates me is there’s just no reason for Apple do go to such absurd levels to make the case for its new Arm-based M1 in the new MacBook Air, MacBook Pro 13 and MacMini.

Now, if you are into Macs and all that Apple offers, you should definitely consider the new Macs over older Intel-based Macs. I say that because I’m pretty sure buying an Intel-based Mac is like buying a ticket to stand on a deserted island so you can wave at Apple as it sails away in a party boat.

So, have some dignity Apple, and stop with the trolling just to get attention and hopefully sway the 93 out of 100 people who prefer to buy Windows laptops over MacOS laptops every year.

 

Even for Mac enthuisiasts It's probably best to wait a generation or so, because it will take time for a lot of developers to switch to native apps from x86 ports by which time a more mature iteration will be out. While I do see ARM and or RISC-V doing well in the long run as competition for x86, yeah Apple clearly topped Intel this year by far for skewed and nonsensical claims lol. Clearly the M1 is not at a level to replace x86 on the higher end models yet as they replaced only their lower end models with Apple Silicon, as the higher end 4 port 13" Pro is still on x86, seems mostly like a replacement for the U series Intel chips. Looking at some of the comparators used in tests one was a Core i3 from like 2 years ago, I mean its nice that its able to compete even against that x86 chip but the graphs and claims were definitely absurd. It still could be a decent CPU especially considering the low wattage and I can see it beating a mobile i9 in certain video encode stuff and certain benchmarks that can be accelerated due to the extra logic built into these chips but to give a blanket superiority statement was quite irritating without even mentioning on stage what their comparators even were.

 

Oh I know....I'm just saying what apple said two months ago compared to what they said at the one more thing event.

 

The author sounds pretty butthurt for no reason. Apple makes better CPUs and has for a while. Skylake is basically antique at this point and their 10nm cores seem to have limited availability. The less reliant you are on Intel the better. Everyone including even AMD are dunking on them.

 

Yes AMD is gaining at intel's expense, but I'm confused about your statement. Apple hasn't made CPUs for their computers for about 15 years.

One cannot really compare SoC ARM based CPUs they made for phones/ipads to a desktop / workstation CPU, totally different market and design purpose.

 

No, the author is calling apple on their marketing bull.

 

"MacBook Air with Apple’s own M1 chip is faster and has better battery life than Intel-based predecessors"

- Apple made a good decision to ditch Intel and develop its own chips for its Mac computers.

- ...it’s faster and offers better battery life than what equivalent Intel models offered.

- It said it’s faster than 98% of the laptops sold in the last year (which may be true, given that many are low-cost Chromebooks and entry-level Windows computers).

- It feels like a fast laptop,...

- The biggest change you might notice on first glance is the screen, which is now just as colorful as the one on Apple’s more expensive MacBook Pro laptops.

- I found the new MacBook Air to be twice as fast as the Intel-based equivalent model at some tasks and more than three times as fast at others.

- It’s really quiet, too, since there’s no fan inside to kick on while you’re in the middle of work. But that comes at a cost: the bottom gets pretty hot.

- The chip change does not break any old apps -- at least the ones I use -- you can still run the ones that were designed for older Macs

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/17/apple-macbook-air-with-m1-review-faster-than-intel.html

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Well that's certainly a different take. Notice the lack of numbers on any benches, timings for on "feels like a fast laptop...", etc.

My guess is the author isn't on the forums at NBR, knows what tools to use to bench, what apps ppl want/use on a Mac (lack of Photoshop being #1 problem), etc., etc., etc.

[EDIT] Added this from an article Papu posted ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...pple-chipped-macs.834481/page-4#post-11059220 ), "Unlike Geekbench, which runs multiple algorithms and then takes a geomean (which can skew results if algorithm-specific optimizations are present on an architecture), Cinebench measures the brute force power of a processor and is the go-to benchmark for most enthusiasts when it comes to processors. "

 

Impressive start for M1 silicon.

 

Intel And AMD x86 Mobility CPUs Destroy Apple’s M1 In Cinebench R23 Benchmark Results wccftech.com | Today

Apple recently made some marketing claims using a 5nm processor against a 4-year old architecture and we were waiting for benchmarks to appear that we can use to do some solid comparisons. Earlier today, the single-core and multi-core scores in the latest Cinebench R23 have leaked out and boy is it a different story than the one Apple used in its announcement. The Apple M1 is a very impressive chip - but the fastest in mobility CPUs it is not - not by a long shot.

 

This is going to seem weird, but is there some plagiarism going on? I find it really strange how two Apple M1 reviews each cover almost the SAME exact stuff and in almost the same order.

- Cover the M1's lower power consumption; longer battery life.
- Use Geekbench for testing vs intel Macbook (but @saturnotaku's review does through in a crappy 13" Dell)
- Tests using Tomb Raider 2
- Tests editing a video using Final Cut
- Mentions legacy apps they try "seem to work" and won't break using the x86 emulator, Rosetta 2. But mention didn't try them all, but just couldn't find one that didn't break that they tried.
- Runs iPhone / iPad apps
- Quiet or no fan noise

I must have retrieved my pointed, tinfoil hat from the closet, but it seems either one of these guys copied off the other, or their both receiving marching orders on what to use for a review at from a higher power.

 

The video I posted is for the MacBook Pro 13, the CNBC article is talking about the MacBook Air. Also, the XPS 13 referenced in the video is the brand-new 11th-gen model. Hardly "crappy."

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested

From a reputable reviewer. Skylake, Zen 3 and M1 compared, and Skylake is properly thrashed by M1 which uses way less power.

Not that this is big news, they are 2015 cores which are antique junk at this point.​

 

Why are they comparing skylake? that's like 9th generation intel. Love that marketing. how about compare a new 11th gen intel chip to the M1.

and also, screw synthetic benchmarks anyways. Lets toss some 4k video rendering at it and see what happens. Like they did with the xps 15 and macbook pro 16. XPS was WAY faster at encoding and rendering than the macbook pro.

 

Skylake was 6th-gen.

 

I didn't catch the actual model, thanks for the clarification. Regardless, still eerie how the reviews are so similar.

I also wonder what's changed between Geekbench 5.1 vs. Geekbench 5. It's not truly apples to apples, so this comparison may be hogwash. But here are numbers from Notebook Check Review of XPS 9310 vs the Tech Chap video:

[TechChap] Macbook Pro M1 - Single Core (GB 5) : 1267
[TechChap] Macbook Pro M1 - Multi Core (GB 5) : 5874

[NBC] XPS 9310 - Single Core (GB 5.1) : 1547
[NBC] XPS 9310 - Single Core (GB 5.1) : 5682

If anyone finds a review where the M1 is tested with Geekbench 5.1 OR XPS 9310 is tested on Geekbench 5, please post here since these numbers don't necessarily point to a good analysis.

Sorry for the editorializing. I should've disclosed that as opinion BGA is crappy to begin with.

 

Read the review...Tiger Lake (Willow Cove cores) are in there as well, and also lose. I raise Skylake as it's what most people on this forum (and TBH, most of the market still) would be using.

Skylake is 6th-10th (not including some of the 10th gen U and Y processors).​

 

Judging by that, the xps 13 is a burner. Considering the M1 is a chip sent by god to destroy all computerdom. Xps beats it in single core usage, and in multicore is less than 200 "points" behind. Un noticeable in actual usage. Way to go dell / intel.

Furthermore the xps gets 13 hrs of battery life if using non 4K version, whereas Marcus brownlee could only muster 10 solid hours from his m1 MacBook Air. Apple marketing to their lemmings is all the event specs were. No real numbers to show the truth. I’m stuck with my iPhone for now, but it’s gone sooner than later

And the acer that blows the doors off the mjesus chip for battery life.
https://www.acer.com/ac/en/CA/content/series/spin7

Well, after being in the wild for a week or so, turns out that the Apple reality distortion field is in full effect with the new Mjesus chipped macs. Apple crowed about every piece of software being able to run faster on their new chips than intel chipped macs and pc's. Well....Que Maury....



Here is the article relating to the tests......

Too good to be true? Plenty of software not compatible with Apple M1 laptops - MSPoweruser

So, Apple has claimed crazy speed increases....that was a lie. They claimed crazy battery life.....that was a lie. They claimed all software will work on day one.....that was a lie. Love that marketing and the lemmings drink the Kool-aid right up.

 

Why Apple M1 Single “Core” Comparisons Are Fundamentally Flawed (With Benchmarks)

I have something pretty exciting for our readers today; something that almost everyone appears to have missed in the clamor for Apple M1 benchmark comparisons. What if I told you that pretty much all of the single-core benchmark comparisons between the Apple M1 and modern x86 processors you see online are fundamentally flawed (assuming the intent is to see which core is the fastest)? Because you see, most single "core" benchmarks out there do not fully saturate a modern x86 core - but they likely do saturate the M1.

 

What what what? You mean to tell me that Apple's Mjesus chip does not dominate EVERY benchmark vs. Every other chip?

 

Tested: How Apple's M1 chip performs against Intel 11th-gen and AMD Ryzen 4000 pcworld.com | Today

Conclusion
In today’s technology circles, many people have retreated into their corners, with irrational fans choosing to always cheer for their team and give no quarter to competitors—even if the other team won. That shouldn’t be any rational person’s perspective because ultimately, these are just companies looking to take your money. It’s also not classy.

 

While I’ve stated before I definitely don’t agree with how Apple portrayed M1 almost as if having superiority in a blanket fashion, it’s still a pretty good chip after having read AnandTech and a few others including the review posted above, especially considering power draw as it’s actually replacing Intel’s U and M series in its laptop lineup, plus not to mention the decent scores despite the Rosetta hit. Also nice that at certain tasks it can also compete with desktop CPUs. Will be interesting to see how well the M1X or whatever’s the higher end CPU model that will come in the MBP 16 will perform.


With AMD back on track and more companies also looking at ARM alternatives (ie Ampere), Intel really has a fight on hits hand their glory days of near monopoly in market share (Desktops/Laptops/Servers) are likely coming to an end. Intel invested in SiFive an Open source RISC-V CPU designer so looks like they are also trying to adapt which is good. MS also maybe working on its own ARM CPU implementation. Might be an exciting coming decade overall in terms of pace of innovation/performance/pricing or so I hope/expect.

 

Wow, the Mjesus really took it to 98 percent of those windows based computers. Phew, who knew....

 

Well Microsoft as expected also announced they will design their own ARM consumer and server chips.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Micro...s-own-chips-for-servers-Surface.510976.0.html

 

Good. some serious power behind windows arm machines.

 

Yep... http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/microsoft-cpu-anyone.834903/

 

I was on a mac based site and asked if I should switch to the Mjesus or intel macbook pro or stay on windows 10 based systems. The overall consensus is do not switch now, stay on the windows based system. Very interesting coming from mac users. You would think the cult of apple would want another in their gang for sure.

 

Apple M1 vs. Ryzen 5000: MacBook Pro and Asus ROG Flow X13, compared pcworld.com


One final word before we get too far down the road: Jersey-wearing Mac fans may protest that putting AMD’s 35-watt Ryzen 9 5980HS up against the low-wattage M1 is simply unfair, especially considering the Asus ROG Flow X13 also features a GeForce GTX 1650 Max-Q GPU.

We agree that it’s not a traditional oranges-to-oranges comparison, but because the MacBook Pro M1 and the ROG Flow X13 basically weigh the same, a potential buyer would naturally see them as competitors.

 

Their claims of faster than 98 percent of windows notebooks is a joke.

 

Like everything Apple, when you throw M1 optimized applications at it you will get the appearance of great performance. For those whose work-flow uses such applications, the M1 Macs may be of benefit. For my use case, the M1 Mac has been nothing but a disappointment. In disgust, I bought a Legion 5 with 4800H and 1660Ti. With the L5, I can not only do productivity throughout the day but game as well.

The M1 Macs are not advertised as gaming machines. I get that. I also don't care about how the computer looks since I want to use it in closed clamshell mode. I currently use my M1 Mac mini as a stand for my water bottle.

 

As with everything apple, it's all marketing.

 

Yeah, it didn't take long time

Apple Silicon Malware, the First of Its Kind, Was Discovered by an Independent Security Researcher wccftech.com

Patrick Wardle is an ex-NSA security researcher who discovered that hackers were recompiling malware called GoSearch22.app (via AppleInsider). It’s the first native malware for the M1 Mac models, and the current version aims at displaying ads while also collecting the user’s browser data. He also mentions that such malicious code will continue to evolve as Apple comes out with newer hardware featuring the company’s custom silicon. This may also apply to the redesigned MacBook Pro models expected in the second quarter of 2021.