OMFGPWNBBQ Dells costs more than MAC

Sorry, I can't help it.

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APP...k5GrgrMPiIO3qftLEJV098v49D/14.0.26.9.5.41.3.0

Mac at $2799

and

http://ecomm.dell.com/dellstore/bas...=CFG&oid=491774be-803c-45fa-893f-8590ce45eb19

Dell at $3055

Don't mean to revive the argument, but I can't help it.

 

OMGPWNBBQ another one.

Alienware at $2823

http://www.alienware.com/customize/...SysCode=PC-LT-AREA51M9750&SubCode=SKU-DEFAULT

 

Glad to see Mac is finally matching their price with their worth.

 

You have not specified which dell notebook you have selected. Hence why your argument is invalid.

The alienware SPANKS the MBP

You are making completely invalid statements.

 

I provided the link to the specified labtops. All that you have to do is click.

 

Actually you have not as we see empty carts. The only reason you see somthing is because you have the item in your cart on your specific computer due to cookies.

Please post proper specs

 

I don't understand why people think links like that would even work. Please just type it out. As for the AlienWare, yeah... better video card for cheaper... faster base HDD even tho smaller...

 

My bad, here it is.

Apple
17-inch MacBook Pro
Part Number: MB166LL/A
2.5GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 512MB
2GB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM - 2x1GB
250GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
SuperDrive 8x (DVD±R DL/DVD±RW/CD-RW)
MacBook Pro 17-inch Widescreen Display
Backlit Keyboard (English) / User's Guide
$2799

Dell

Dell Precision M6300:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T9300 (2.50GHz) 6M L2 Cache, 800MHz Dual Core

17 Inch Wide WUXGA LCD Panel
2.0GB, DDR2-667 SDRAM, 2 DIMMS

NVIDIA® Quadro FX 1600M 512mb

250GB Hard Drive, 9.5MM, 7200RPM
8X DVD+/-RW

$3055

Alienware

Video/Graphics Card: NVIDIA® GeForce® Series - 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8700M GT - Enables DirectX® 10 Graphics!
Chassis: 17" WideUXGA 1920 x 1200 LCD with Clearview Technology - Stealth Black
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7600 2.33GHz 4MB Cache 667MHz FSB
Memory: 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SO-DIMM at 667MHz – 2 x 1024MB
System Drive: Single Drive Configuration - 250GB 7,200RPM (8MB Cache) w/ Free Fall Protection
Optical Drives : 8x Dual Layer Burner (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
Wireless Network Card: Internal Intel® Wireless 4965 a/b/g/Draft-N Mini-Card
Sound Card : High-Definition Audio with surround sound
$2823
This is the highest cpu speed that I can get for this particular option, which is actually slower than apple.

 

Actually it was a cookie issue, I test clicked it myself. Sorry for my noobness.

 

Hmm, interesting comparison, chongfa! Not to mention the Precision and Alienwares are heavier and thicker than the MBP, right?

I know the 17-inch MBP is among the lightest of the 17-inches.

 

That AW still OWNS the MBP in every way but processor speed (and 2.33GHz is more than enough for ANY game.)

 

I have to admit that the AW has a better graphic card, but that was only one feature. To me gaming is not the most important feature to me in a notebook. I am looking for the best overall labtops. If I wanna play game, I would go to my PS3 or custom build my own DESKTOP that costs $1000 less than Dell or AW.

Keep in mind, I used window for 10 years from 95 to vista. I just switched to apple about 1 month ago.

 

My biggest point to this thread is that comparing the two system PC and MAC according to their prices are pointless.

People will get what they want and in my opinion, people can configure the PC and Mac system to suit their arguments, so it is pointless to compare in this manner.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/apple-mac-leopard-windows-vista,1985.html

thats proof that macs are the same price if not cheaper for similarly speced computers

 

read the link and then come back and say something. stop being ignorant. and tomshardware is legit.

 

I read that article long time ago. Hello!!! did u even read my thread, where is all these hates come from? I own a Macbook pro for godsake. Stop being silly. I am the OP. IF you actually read the threads, you know that I am not the one that say PC is $1,500 cheaper than Mac

Mac made their computer a lot more affordable long time ago.

 

Why did they choose the M1730 over the M1530...?

Anyways there has been like 10 threads like this for the past few weeks already...Haven't we had enough yet?

 

I was thinking the same thing. The site also doesn't mention all of the 25-30% coupons dell is always rotating.

I got my m1530 at almost 600$ off. And no, a free ipod touch or whatever apple offers is not a savings, it's a gimmick to get more people to use a product based on a gimmick.

 

So what? What do you think the Dell coupon is? The 1530 won't sell at MSRP so Dell reduces the price in order to move machines that won't sell otherwise. You think coupons and price reductions are offered on machines which are hot sellers at their retail prices? Wonder what your Dell will be worth when you try to resell it? LOL

 

You got a free iPod Touch, that you can sell later if you don't like...how is that not a saving? The $600-off coupon made you more likely to buy your Dell, therefore it was a gimmick to get you to purchase Dell too, no?

I just think in general all sales are gimmicks. Its purpose is to make you more likely to purchase the product.

 

Well my MBP only cost me $1650, after I sold my ipod touch and free printer.

 

Seeing as the MacBook Pro has the weakest GPU out of the bunch, it's understandable it's the cheapest. And seeing as the Precision M6300 (workstation laptop) is the most powerful (better GPU than MBP, and faster CPU than M9750) out of the bunch it's understandable it's the most expensive.

These comparisons are better done with equal machines.

 

Who buys a laptop with the resell value in mind? And yeah, a Dell will resell lower than a Mac because everybody knows they can get a coupon to buy it cheaper.

Not to mention I got my XPS when it was at the top of the NBR most clicked list. So yeah, they run deals on hot sellers, almost every consumer computer they have goes on sale during their father's day, back to school, etc. sales.

My XPS came to considerably less and I didn't have to bother finding people to sell stuff to. I was somewhere around 1,300 before my parents tacked on accidental protection (another 200) and some virus protection I uninstaled. EDIT- I also had to get Vista Buisness (+100) because my college wanted it and my parents thought they would notice if I used anything less.

I'm not saying that Macs are bad machines. I can admit that they have a tighter build quality, better customer support, and an OS that some users prefer, but they are still more expensive than PCs.

 

Judging by the thread title, I thought the OP was just making fun of some of the other threads...but now I'm pretty convinced he's just delusional and thinks Macs are equal in price.

Like others said, nice build quality and an OS that some prefer, other's dont. But they still cost significantly more.

 

I thought it was supposed to be OMG***BBQ??!!!
EDIT: Wow, even w t f has been censored??

 

You were right about making fun. I was trying to make fun of other threads. If you think that I am delusional, then I can't change your mind about it. People is just too uptight and easily annoyed by both sides, it is kind of funny.

 

Ohh BTW...I know that Macs cost more, just not thousands of dollar more like a lot of people are making them out to be. I pay extra $200-400 to get what I want and I am happy with it.

 

You obviously didn't get my jokes.

This is not any more unfair than the other thread comparing apple cinema display to Sumsung display. Apple monitor actually use more expensive technology to ensure better color correction, etc. It is like saying both Mustang and Ferrari have V8, therefore they must have the exact same performance, therefore Ferrari is way overpriced.

 

Honestly I think this topic has been beat to death.

 

Okay let me jump in here and try to add some comparisons as it seems that the OP is a little biased. Disclaimer though I would own a MBP if I had the money I think it is a very good looking computer.

Macbook Pro 15" - $2500
2.5 Core 2 Duo
2GB Ram
250GB Hard Drive
8600GT 512MB
1440x900?

Macbook Pro 17" - $2700
2.5 Core 2 Duo
2GB Ram
250GB Hard Drive
8600GT 512MB
1680x1050?

Sager NP8660 15" - $1815.84
2.53 Core 2 Duo
2GB Ram
160GB Hard Drive
9800GT 512MB (spanks the 8600GT)
1680x1050

Dell Studio 17 - $1224
2.5 Core 2 Duo
3GB Ram
250GB Hard Drive
3650HD 256MB
1440x900

Alienware M15x - $2450
2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
2GB Ram
160GB Hard Drive
8800GTX (spanks the 8600GT)
1440x900

Speed:
1. M15x + Sager
2. Apple 15" and 17"
3. Dell Studio 17

Price:
1. Dell Studio 17
2. Sager
3. M15x
4. Apple 15"
5. Apple 17"

Yes I know the hard drives are different.

 

Answer: Any sensible adult who's money is important to them. Or anyone who is NOT a kid with no real financial responsibilities and lives at home or who has parents that pay for their.....EVERYTHING including school.

 

How come no one has mentioned the windows based systems ahve developer cards vs gaming card hence a huge boost in price for them.

 

I just compared the laptops you posted, the most powerful one was the most expensive and the lesser powerful ones were less expensive. In this case the price differences seem rather easy to explain.
I took the backlit keyboard, screen quality, weight/size, build quality, and looks into account as well; but since two of the three are built for power (workstation laptop and a gaming laptop), power was the main determinant for my comparison.

 

Now compare weight, dimensions, and battery life . I don't think the MBP is trying to be a gaming machine. If gaming is your top priority, don't get a Mac.

 

Okay first off, if you want a MBP, I think thats fine. All I'm trying to say is that there are other notebooks out there that are just as fast for a cheaper price. In addition check out the dell outlet store which has really good prices.

Anyways, if I had the money I would have a G5 sitting in place of my HP

I'm just doing comparisons in terms of price as the OP stated. I will do those comparisons though.

Weight:
1. MBP 15"
2. MBP 17"

Battery Life:
1. M15x
2. MBP 15'

Yea I know the MBP isn't trying to be a gaming machine I was just spec'ing out similar options, Ill add another one to the list. Just trying to do some fair comparisons.

Dell XPS M1530 - $1649
2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
1440x900 LED (MBP has this too)
4GB Ram
250GB
8600GT 256MB

 

Or someone who expects that they won't keep the laptop for very long as they are holding out for something better, or just need a laptop for the short term.

 

Who does not buy a machine with resale value in mind?? Only a person with more money than he knows how to manage.

And you don't suppose the machines you refer to as "hot sellers" are so because they go on sale at ridiculously low prices??

Apple doesn't sell its machines like that because it doesn't have to do so. Nobody sells something for less than it's worth if their product is selling well and as planned. And this doesn't just apply to computers. When you go car shopping (and don't care about resale value LOL), do you think cars that are selling well can be had for great deals? No they can't because the dealers would lose too much money - unless you trade in a valuable car at wholesale, because dealers do care about resale value. All the 0 down, 0 interest for 60 month deals with rebates and prices slashed are on vehicles celebrating birthdays on dealer lots. Computers like everything else offered on sale at super prices are sold at those prices because they're either dead in the water, or the dealer/reseller has too many in stock and doesn't want to be stuck with them when new models, or upgrades are released.

So when the time comes for you to buy your next machine, you, no doubt, will offer your current Dell for sale at hundreds less than it's worth because you don't care about resale value anyway. And it'll be a quick sale making the hot seller list of used machines here at NBR because you'll be giving up lots of your cash to the new owner.

Well, I missed that part of your post about your parents. Guess that explains why you don't care about resale value. And I guess that also means your experience with new car shopping probably doesn't yet exist.

 

Dear Phant0mMaster

I do keep the resale value in mind. It is nice to know that 1.5 years from now, I can still sell my macbook pro at about $800-1000 because I will keep it in good shape with all box and documentations. So I will only spent about $650-850 for using this machine for just 1.5 years because I paid about $1650 for my macbook pro.

In comparison to my T60 IBM Thinkpad. I paid about $2500 for it roughly 1.5-2 years ago and I doubt that I can get $500 for it now on e-bay.

If u doubt me, just do an e-bay search and you will still pay roughly $800-1,100 for the first gen mbp. Hell you will have to spend about $500-800 to buy the G4 powerbook for god sake. Can you imagine paying $500-800 for a used centrino notebook right now?

 

If that were the case, then you must also add to your post that you're discussing extremely cheap machines. Nobody who values his money would do something like that with a machine worth much at the time of sale, because computers depreciate in value so quickly. Doing otherwise would just compound the problem and cause the buyer to lose even more money. And, the gent who doesn't care about resale value, wasn't talking about a cheap machine.


Edit: Forgot to mention that, as always with these sorts of threads, IMO, people should just buy what they like if the machine is within their means. I don't understand why one person would give a **** what computer another person decides to buy unless he's financing the deal. lol

 

You'll be delighted to know you can get sell it for around 800 on ebay. And that T60 was seriously expensive for even when you got it. You paid the premium of having such specs ahead of its time (like getting quad core on notebooks now) and as such isn't really a great comparison in terms of depreciation.

Mac computers/laptops are, were and will be more expensive than what you can get for windows, purely because there are so many companies with so many products competing on the same windows platform. Competition is good.

Plus, there are people who pay for the apple experience. Try this whole forum section and a good portion of university students. --> No need to reduce prices

 

most probably don't know the difference and if that card were not included then this thread would have much less relevance

 

I look on e-bay and no way in hell, I can get $800 for my T60. I usually buy labtop that is in the middle of the road, but at the time my IBM T60 was a gift from my father, therefore he got me the best thing at the time, which I appreciated him greatly for it.

 

So far no body have realised that the OP was comparing a semi professional notebook to a workstation notebook. Well done.

 

I don't think that anybody get the fact that I am trying to make fun of people that compare the price between MAC and PC. Hence my OMFGPWNBBQ.

 

-_-

That was my first thought as well.

This thread is so gonna degnerate further.

It goes like this: Some Apple notebooks cost more than their direct competitors, some are in the general area.

What's worth more differs from your needs, usage, expectations etc. It differs. Some people can't understand why you pay more than $800 for ANY notebook, some don't get why you settle for one. Therefore, overpricedness is not an objective concept, especially when it comes to macs.

Since many people won't read this, I'll add, in large, bold letters below, the gist of my post.

Macs are not always more expensive, but some models are.

Now, for the love of god, will these stupid arguments stop? Create a thread that says just that and sticky it. Also, lock this thread, and delete any new ones on the subject.

 

Thank god, for people that actually have some sense of humors and get it. You just spoke my mind.

 

No they haven't and nor have I. Partly because the is not the off topic forum. Thread closed as this was OT from point 1.

Johnny T