OSX 'Leopard', able to run on PC?

Does anyone know if it could be possible to purchase OSX 'Leopard', and run it on a PC or non-mac hardware?

 

Nope. The OSx86 project is always a version or two behind each Apple release, and even then, it's totally dependent on your hardware (and luck) as to whether it'll work or not. If you want Leopard to run the way it was meant to run, you'll have to buy a mac. Not even a new one - any Intel machine will do, and if you're willing to buy refurbished, you can get some pretty sweet deals. But regular PC support? Fuggedabout it.

 

There, there. As soon as Leopard is released, the only real legal apparatus Apple had for outlawing OS X in vanilla PCs will be gone. Until then, the only way to legally use OS X in a PC is buying some Apple hardware and uninstall it from there - not good deal. If you buy Leopard and install it in a PC (after hacking it of course) you may still be infringing on Apple's EULA, but shrinkwrap EULAs are not legally binding (IMHO, but IANAL) - since no one can force you to accept a license after you bought something. Unless they make you sign beforehand that you'll never install it on non-Apple hardware, the cat will be out of the bag. Anyways, Apple never really tried that hard to stop OSx86, and being Apple, I believe they behaved that way because they didn't have a case to start with.
That said, of course the hackintoshes will never behave as well as real Apple machines - the tight integration of software and hardware is integral to the experience. So one might think if it is desirable, even if it is possible, noting that you won't be able to install it out of the box, it will need extensive patching and you'll never have Apple support.

 

What's changing with Leopard that affects the legal situation?

 

The biggest legal problem right now is that there is no way to buy a Universal version of Tiger off the shelf. They only sell PPC versions. Leopard, however, will be Universal and available off the shelf. So, the only way to obtain a Universal copy of Tiger is to buy a Mac or pirate it. Once Leopard arrives, the only legal hurdle is the EULA, which EULA's have had mixed results in courts. Some are upheld, some aren't.

Don't forget Apple's ace in the hole: hardware copy protection. Although unlikely, it is very possible they will turn that on with Leopard.

 

OK, I get it regarding the retail boxed copies.
But I thought they were already using hardware copy protection in the form of requiring a lockout chip, and that the point of OSX86 was to hack around that. Is there some other hardware copy protection you're talking about?

 

The TPM is already in use with the universal version of Tiger, so it is very likely that Leopard will use it as well. One thing with installing OSx86 on a PC is that it runs really slowly, but one thing that speeds it up is removing a system file called "AppleTPM(something else here).kext" which is constantly searching for a TPM module. Although, if Leopard really is to be universal, that doesn't make much sense since the TPM module is only on Intel chipsets, and Leopard will be working on old PPC Macs as well. So it's really up in the air.

 

will there be cd keys for leopard? as far as i know there is absolutely no copy protection for tiger- as far as installing it on mac's.

 

As far as I know no Apple OS has ever had a CD Key. That's why it's an Apple. I don't believe other Apple software has CD Keys either, iWork might have some type of serial for activation though since it comes with a trial period.

 

As I recall, TPM is not turned on yet. It was much talked about, but I believe it is off.

 

I think the TPM can be used for quite a few things and people were worried about the TPM being used for media file DRM. I believe the only thing the OS uses the TPM for right now is to just check that it's present, not actually validating any stored content on the chip.

 

Vis a vis the key, Apple has the assurance that your usage of an Apple OS automatically means you, or someone else, must have purchased Apple hardware. Currently, that's good enough for them, as they profit primarily from hardware sales.

 

yup and yup it will be possible
apple folk should stop thinking their OS is invincible or something because it isnt. Theres no such thing as a hack proof OS!!!
Hackintosh and osx86project have got lots of easy to follow hacks to get OSX and quite possible Leopard (when it comes out) to run on a non mac puter (desktop and laptop)

In fact heres a much respected site...engadget showing it.
Notice they state.... and it's running damned fast if you ask us...
http://www.engadget.com/2006/01/16/video-os-x-10-4-3-dual-booted-on-a-thinkpad/

Theres even a dedicated page on Wikipedia on how to install OSX on PC hardware



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Everybody here is forgetting a couple of very important facts.

The "hackintosh" osx86project was born from leaked developer version. That developer version ran on Pentium 4 based systems that Apple "loaned" out to developers so they could start writing universal and Intel-based software. Which leads me to the next point...

That copy was specifically designed to boot using old fashioned BIOS.

A "real" copy of OS X requires EFI. All Intel Macs use EFI with BIOS support, which explains why you can boot Windows and Linux (though some Linux distros support EFI as well).

So you would need a motherboard that has EFI as well as BIOS support if you want to boot Windows or any other non-OS X OS.

 

ahhhh but theres one other very important fact youre forgetting or dont even know about

its called: PearPC

People are dual booting Vista and OSX on current speed pc hardware as we speak

 

sure its possible to run osx on non apple hardware.

but the whole point of osx is to have an integrated hardware / software environment, where everything is conveniently taken care of- in terms of drivers, updates, patches.

thats at least half the reason why mac osx is so great.

hacking to achieve a running osx seems pointless. you can just run windows.

osx is only "better" in terms of integration of hardware support, in my mind.

its the whole package. itunes and ipod, osx and macintosh, sofware AND hardware together.

 

http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/

That Pear PC?

Good try

 

haha you honestly dont think im gonna tell you everything i know do you???? lololol
Go do your own research. PearPC is a good start, Now go find out where and what its evolved into
No OS is hack proof, especially OSX

 

For heavens sake, be nice Mike.

 

I am being nice
In fact im choosing not to devulge any more detailed info on such subject as it borderlines on promoting illegal activity as set out on the manufacturers EULA of said product and services.
Besides, with respect for this site the only thing that needs to be said here is 'yes' its quite possible, with creative tweaking, Leopard can and will run on a PC as history has already proven there are ways to have OSX operate successfully on PC hardware.



disclaimer: Author of this post in no way advertises, promotes or suggests such operating systems be used, performed or operated against any said set rules and/or terms as set out by the EULA.
Any deviation from set rules will automatically be fined and will not pass go and will not collect two hundred dollars and be sent directly to rehab with Lindsay Lohan

 

Seriously, how old are you?

PearPC, no matter what, is PPC emulator. It's not going to run OS X at full speed from within another OS no matter how much you want to believe it will.

The original goal of the PearPC project was "1/10th" speed.

So you can go "lololol" somewhere else. OS X isn't "hack proof", but running a legitimate copy on non-Apple hardware isn't going to happen.

 

I dont know what it is but most apple folk all seem to suffer from a condition. A condition of denile that they seem to read on a forum here or there, absorb it, then become systematic macbots with the word of the land like its scripture to be passed along.
Dude, time for you to take a pill for your condition. OSX on PC is done and is being done. Get over it. Its just a computer

Windows was being hacked onto macs in early 06 (mths before boot camp was released) and apple zealots got over the initial eww and disgust but for some reason they cant seem to get over having their holy OS being hacked the other way around.
again...get over it... it is just a computer

 

Didnt they stop developing PearPc a long time ago? Like when Apple moved to the Intel platform?

I know that OSx86 is already working on getting Leopard onto the PC. I bet that when Leopard comes in October with in 4 weeks they will have a PC version out. Ofcourse it wont work on all PCs but it will be there.

 

its never stopped development. Its just underground now

Since Job has his goonies shut down OSx86Project and Win2OSX.net all hackers are now exclusively hushed.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Crackdown-On-OS-X-Hack-Sites-18363.shtml
As most will know there was a contest that dared any hacker to get Windows/OSX to dual boot on mac hardware in jan 06.
The buzz was rampant of the hack and apple did what they could to shut it down. They succeeded with cease and desist orders on two sites but they couldnt stop the train as others appeared all over.
So apples only solution to try defeat the hacking of OSX was to come out with boot camp in April 06.
Funny thing is Jobs went on about claiming it was his idea to allow windows on macs.. pfft

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Why would they still be developing PearPC? who cares about PowerPc??

OSx86 is pretty good. I wouldnt call it hushed or underground. You can only download it from torrent sites and things because it is impossible to get a valid leagal licence of OSX but the wiki is updated often and it runs pretty well in version 10.4.8 (I have seen 10.4.9 but have not tried it)

 

Indeed. The only reason I don't use 10.4.8 is because A.) the wireless doesn't work, and B.) I couldn't figure out the right sound patch. If and when a Leopardx86 drops, I'll definitely give it a try, and see what it's like then.

 

This thread has fulfilled its purpose.

For the OP: Likely Leopard will be hacked to run on PCs. It also will likely never run as well as on a Mac, and the legality will be questionable.

For everyone else: In the future, please do not link to sites that are hacking OS X to run on PCs. The legality is questionable at best right now and if someone wants to find the sites, let them do their own research.