Real MacBook Air Killer...

probably me.

However, boot times do not always mean that it runs quickly. I find that Vista is very laggy, and freezes on several occasions - one being when I'm listening music straight from a CD, and pausing the music. I just find the system not very reliable.

 

Generally I think Vista is a pretty good OS

The first time I installed it I had those same issues you had playing music if i tried to skip ahead in the song it would skip ahead in the actual song but media player would just freeze up for like 5 seconds, weird.

On the other hand I have NEVER had vista completely freeze up, in fact ever since XP came out all my complete freeze ups in windows were because of hardware issues.

 

There was nothing in my post that mentioned Vista's startup times, I don't even take startup times into consideration as using the computer is what the real consideration should be.

I was actually continuing what Sam was talking about. Bloatware doesn't affect the performance of the computer unless the hard drive is nearing full right out of the box.
Also your argument further pushes people into wanting a Mac. The majority of consumers don't tend to remove all the bloatware upon the computer and just knowing that Macs don't come with it makes it easier for the consumer.

Somehow I think if it was the other way around being as Macs shipping with loads of bloatware and Windows shipped clean you still wouldn't defend the Mac like you are defending Vista.

Based on your responses it's obvious you and Kpot are straight up Windows users so I'm not understanding why are you on the Mac forum wreaking havoc?

 

lol, how so?

I have used both, and like them both the same.

I like OSX
I like Vista

Am I not allowed to?, do I HAVE to pick one.

 

Those specs are not average at all...sure, it may be average for our style of users, the truly tech conscious...but what about the real market, where most users still have 512 MB of RAM, Pentium 4 desktop processors? Not Core 2 Duos and 2600XTs.

Mac OS X Leopard runs fine on PowerPC Macs, such as the iBook G4 series, released between 2003 and 2005. I can't say the same for Vista.

 

Your rude response to me earlier. Like Trueintentions mentioned, the other poster's response to me suggest that Windows can do anything Macs can do and you defended his response rudely to me.
You are welcome to post here however since this IS a Mac forum discussions of how wonderful Vista is may not travel far so what's the point?

 

Although the maybe fake Lenovo x300 boasts many features that the MacbookAir doesn't have, the x300 lacks the good design and portability of the MacbookAir. The Macbook Air also features next age wireless capabilities and just the beautifulness of the Leopard OS X operating system.

You also have to remember Macs have downloadable systems like Google Earth that can serve as a GPS system. Another thing is that the price of this x300 laptop may be pretty high compared to the MacbookAir.

 

True, Vista does suck with 512 ram.

Both Vista and Leopard list 512 as the minimum, I know for a fact Vista sucks with 512, has anyone here ran leopard with 512?

Anyways, I know you cannot buy an apple with 512 ram anymore, and your hard pressed to find any Vista PC with 512 except the most basic stripped down PC.

 

I do not really consider that rude at all, he was just asking you a question which you did not answer and you call him a fanboi. I consider that more rude then his 1 word response to you.

 

Vista itself has longer boot times and shut down times that OS X, even without the bloatware. It's quite annoying actually, since on a laptop sometimes I need to quickly pack up, and can't because windows is still shutting down. Don't even say "why don't you just put it on sleep mode?" because Vista still easily takes over 3 times as long as OS X does to enter sleep mode and for the HD to stop spinning so you can safely stuff it in a bag an move it.

 

sorry but one of the reasons I come to forums like this are to gain knowledge.
i like XP , think Vista was three years to early and use leopard only when i have to but pompus and snobish ?? becuase of one word in which by useing bad grammer i asked a question ??
Please ?? sorry for being a stupidhead but in my experienace i have not seen a Mac OS program that does not have a PC type equivilant ?? i just wanted to know ??

SO MY BAD for wanting to become smrter

calling me a Ninja12 fanboy is ok for sure

 

Bah, sure I may come off as defending Vista and all...in a way I was I guess. But, I've also used both OS' especially since pretty much everyone in my entire school uses macbooks and pros I've got experience in that. In lieu of this, I just choose to get a vista laptop instead of following everyone else in getting a macbook. It's true though, Vista takes around like 20-40 seconds to shut down for me, and so I just close the lid and let it go into hibernate instead since that's much much faster.

 

Y'know, I've always found this to be a weird "argument"...you say you're getting a Windows notebook (Windows, 90% market share), because many students in university have a MacBook and you don't want to be a follower? Then you're following 90% of the market by going with Windows!

I just found it weird...its like people going "too many people use iPods, I want to be different", yet, they use Windows...

 

Choose Mac or die infadel!!!!!!

LOL

OK my bad for cuaseing a thread jack

EVERYBODY GO BACK TO THE Topic !!!!!! LOL

 

Well I wasn't really questioning or attacking you for saying Vista can be much faster with the removal of bloat ware, because it is. I was just pointing out my personal experience with the OS. I just hate finding myself closing the lid and staring at that light waiting for it to pulsate so I can put it away xD.

 

Sam - Well, you should come to my school! It's like 80% macs, and only 20% PCs. That says something about it's demographic... I got my "windows" laptop because I got an Asus (which is imho much better than any other PC maker and unique, although I like the Dell XPS) and well, I just don't like OSX as much as everyone else does. Honestly, I'd rather just use Linux over both of those OSes...but alas, I game too much to use Linux all the time.

Also, I just shove my laptop into my laptop backpack even right after closing the lid to go into hibernation, it only takes a few seconds...

 

Well, I definitely know what you mean, Macs are really hitting it big in universities.

But I personally never choose a different product because "everyone else has that product and I don't want to look like them". I choose what I like. I have an iPod, but I didn't buy it because I wanted to look cool. I hated iPods. Until I actually used one extensively .

I did buy new earbuds though. They sound much better .

 

Well, you do have to understand I didn't just get the Asus to look different hahaa... I've got the Asus G1s, and obviously I got it to game...and well plus it looks quite different from most laptops out there. Honestly, if I could do it all over again, I'd get the XPS m1330 since its so much smaller and can hold it own in gaming as well. I dunno, its weird though. I try not to buy into the whole FAD thing and all, so I end up buying products that most people don't consider a lot.

For example, I just bought a Zune 80 instead of a iPod Classic or even a Touch. My reasoning is that the extra price hike for the Touch isn't worth it since its just a 8-16 gig flash drive... And the 80 does have 80 gigs and a much bigger screen than a iPod classic since I want to watch videos on it.

Then again, when I compare reasoning to other people, most go for the Touch regardless. Weird. Maybe, I'm just really cheap and don't want to shell out extra money... I mean, I bought my G1s brand new when it came out, so that was like $1,800...I coulda stretched to get a MBP (Which I admire to an extent, they're nice computer but really heavy, heavier than my G1s lol) but I didn't...

 

At least we don't all run it on the same hardware, lol.

 

Just a basic Vista 32bit / OSX load times and shut down times comparison on somewhat similar hardware:

I have an HP dv6663ca which is very similarly spec'ed to the MBP I got my wife recently except for the slightly better GPU on the MBP (M8600 vs M8400) and the larger HDD on the HP (250 vs 120).

Clean installed Vista on the HP, so no bloatware. Also checked all system startup logs and interrupts for any errors or anything unusual and all was fine.

Start-up times (cold start):
(from power button push to ready-to-use desktop)

OSX - 32 sec
Vista - 69 sec

I've noticed in Vista that the startup itself isn't that bad, but it takes quite a bit to get the desktop to ready-use state whereas that portion in OSX seems instantaneous.

Also troubling is the first 30 sec after Vista is in ready-use state it appears a little sluggish with noticeable HD thrashing, as though it's still completing start-up items even though it's technically ready to use.

No such issues with OSX. When in ready-use state it's very snappy right away.

Shut down times:
(Shut down initiated till screen blanks and system is dead silent)

OSX - 5 sec
Vista - 16 sec

I'm not totally sure in my case if all the blame could be directed at Vista as it may very well be the case of a hardware item in the HP unit where its driver is the culprit. But there is definitely a significant and consistent start-up and shut-down times delta that's obviously favouring OSX.

 

How old is your Vista installation? It could be slow because it's still indexing files..?

 

About ten days old. I'm pretty sure indexing is done. Searches are pretty fast.

 

Not knowing your specs, but assuming your computer is far powerful than my puny TZ150 with the "slow" 4200 RPM HDD, I'm betting you could do a little better on your cold boot times. I have Vista (lightly tweaked) booting for me in 38 seconds flat (power button to desktop). With about 10 seconds activity in getting my wifi detected and being able to begin working. Shut down is about the same as yours though (10-15 seconds here). I haven't yet tweaked fully by disabling un-needed services via services.msc; would be interesting to see if I can get that time down even lower by doing so. Anyway, a good place to start is the NBR forum tweaks thread.

Of course, I don't mean to DEFEND Vista (especially here of all places). I am just saying it's very well possible to get far better cold boot Vista times than what you're getting with your particular HP Computer.

 

I like the ThinkPad look. I wanted to be a rebel and be different, so I got a ThinkPad because everyone and their dog has a Mac at my university. In my music and art classes, I stood out with my mundane and antique ThinkPad. I was outcast until I brought my MacBook Pro the next day so I can blend in and be like everybody else. When I brought my ThinkPad to my science class, I still stood out, lol.

You can get XP or Linux on the X300 instead of Vista btw.

Lol @ people arguing that MacBook Air has a different market. The market that Apple is targetting is so specific and small, that it consists of only 10 sentient beings.

 

That is assuming the x300 is real, but you can install XP and linux on anything with an i386 processor. That's not much of a statement.

Wanting to stick out from the crowd seems like a silly reason to base what laptop you buy. You buy it based on what you need, and how much you have...

It's kind of like how I have a hearse, but I don't drive it every day because I can't afford to. I drive a more fuel efficient ex-police car because it works better as a daily driver. I have something that I enjoy on the side, but I also have a car that I need.