Retina MBP BootCamp Overclocking Results and Gaming Benchmarks

I'm not sure i trust most of the internal reading temps... so many apps reading temps broke, and many detect heat that say waaay too high of temps to be realistic. I'm not sure the internal reading of temps is right.

 

I am sure that 105C is just the temp before the fans kick because I monitor the GPU temps in game and it gets to up 89c and then the fan kicks droping the temps to 74c-72c

 

You can use Lubbo's fan control, but it won't read the Temps correct but at least you can force your fans to high.

Not sure if the new rMBP still work with the SMC fan control trick. Start in OSx use SMC fan control to set your fans to high and restart your rMBP in windows, and your fans should still be on high

 

The rMBP is nowhere near CPU limited, it's completely GPU limited. Is there a way to cap the CPU so it doesn't get so hot and crank up the GPU?

EDIT: the reason I say it's GPU limited is my system scores 3550 on 3DMark11 at stock clocks, and I'm using a 3610 not 3620.

 

You're just guessing because the internal CPU Tjunction temp tells you nothing about the temps anywhere else. It doesn't even tell you how much heat the CPU is putting out, let alone how much of that heat is trapped inside the case vs. exhausted through the cooling system.

If "the laptop only gets a little warm to the touch" as asdad123 put it, that's a good indication that the insides are not being subjected to excessive heat. It sounds like Apple has improved in this area vs. the previous unibody design.

 

I got to handle a MBP+R today at the Apple Store, got the testing that I needed done. Too hot.

 

Understand that if ANY part of my laptop or any laptop I worked on ever reached 105C at any time, I'd be turning it OFF and downclocking until it didn't reach 105C.

105C means that some of the internal components are actually being damaged.

There isn't a lot of room in there and with everything mashed together, ANYTHING reaching 105C is a problem.

The whole concept that you call the readings I am using "guessing" while you try to "feel" how warm something is to the touch on the keyboard is a special kind of ignorant.

I've worked on more laptops, and frankly even more Macbooks than most people here have ever seen.

If you own the mac and you are doing this, its your call. I just thought I'd try and warn you of just how horrible those temps are.

This doesn't mean you can't overclock... it just means you should probably get a notebook cooler for overclocking and definitely not game on your lap if you are a guy and ever want to have kids.

 

So I had to get my rMBP replaced because I noticed very excessive light leakage on the screen (New one is pretty much perfect except for one spot, but compared to the old one its amazing).

The new one I got only gets up to 99C under benchmarking overclocked compared to the 105C of the other one.

I also used Lubbo's Fan control to max my fans, and the Processor only hit 87C and the gt650 only hit 69C while benchmarking lol

 

I can't get over how much some people complain especially with temps! Apple thinks their hardware can handle these temps or they wouldn't have put what they have inside.

First off the programs that get the CPU into the 100+C range are synthetic test and i would say that barely any other program if any, will tax the CPU and GPU long enough at the same time to replicate those temps.

Second Macs have a reputation of getting hot and not ramping up the fans fast often resulting in CPU/GPU temp spikes... the machine doesn't stay hot enough for a long enough time to really hurt it.

I wouldn't worry about other parts heating up... the cooling system is designed to bring air in from everywhere and cools everything pretty good

 

you could try repasting it, see how much the temps go down, for the early 2011 15 it was 5-10c on benchies.

 

#1 Apple does no evil. Sorry man but Apple sacrifice so much in the construction and thermal department for the sake of aesthetics.

#2 I know at least half a dozen professional scenarios that would stress the CPU and GPU far more than 3dmark 11, nor would they be as forgiving as 3dmark11 since 3dmark11 only last minutes these programs can take hours to perform tasks.
Some modern games will also tax a system far more than 3dmark11, hence why to real reviewers the real test are games or real world applications. Not synthetic benchmark tests.

#3 Correct they have a reputation for getting hot. I've yet to see someone test the system to the max.
I did at the Apple store after buying the MBP+R, and hit 100c on the CPU and 96c on the GPU before the Fan kicked in and the system throttled down. I returned the notebook and kept my Precision m4600.
Anyways I will stick with using a system that isn't going to have a higher risk of failure due to thermals.

 

Hi asdad I think I found you on mac forum as well.. Is there a chance you can make a video for me of the desktop with the following scenario

1-) running ORTHOS (cpu stress app stressing both cpu cores)
2-) running AIDA or HWinfo monitor showing temps on all cores
3-) running furmark which is a GPU stress app

and then running Lubbos Fan Control at MAX on all fans

I need to check how temps starts oscillating is that possible you can do for me ? cause this will define if I buy my MD104 thanks so much

If the system get's under stress with CPU LOAD and GPU LOAD cpu under 80C and gpu under 75C it's fine (with fans at full speed or reaching full speed) it's almost what the ASUS G75VW temps are in load

 

Nice results

 

It really depends on the game. For me, wow didn't make much difference (I use boot camp on the iMac). It is just easier to have boot camp set up, for me, so if I see something I want in windows only, I have it ready to go. There are many game I like that are windows only, so I just actually migrated to os x for working type things and boot camp for play...although I will likely use the Alienware for gaming unless the MBPr I just ordered is somehow more effective at gaming than the Alienware. And if I just want some peace while gaming...the iMac is in a back room where I can close out distractions.

 

99-105C for the CPU just by running 3d marks? This is ridiculous. This would never make through a stress test like prime95 or linx.

 

if any body was thinking the base CPU was not enough for gaming on the rMBP that's not true the 650M is so bottleneck already is not even funny because messing with power options in windows I find out the setting max processor state from 50% to 100% it just disabled turbo on the CPU no matter what setting % you use

so running benchmarks with turbo enabled vs turbo disabled won't make no difference in framerates not even 1 frame but the max temp on the CPU is way down compared to running turbo enabled so here is a screen shoot of HWinfo64 after 1 hour of gameplay with fans at full

the best way to disable turbo is create a power plan for balanced mode where the CPU state wont go over 95% and let high performance plan alone that way you can switch between plans to disable turbo

in the screen shoot you can see the max temp of the GPU 65C if you overclock +135 mhz core and +300 mhz memory the max temp will be 67c so the 650M has so much overclock potential disabling turbo because since the GPU-CPU heat sinks are fusion together and the CPU is running cool the GPU is running even cooler

I have tested open world games to see if the CPU affect the framerates and all the time the frames are the same even games like crysis ans saboteur

 

Since the New EFI update my GPU throttle all the time. I have been unable ot play any games since the update. Even resetting the SMC has little effect.
I am running with Turbo Disabled and Lubbo's to set my fan speeds to max. But nothing stops the GPU from throttling. Before the EFI update I had no issue with games, hell I was even OC'ing 135 all the time.

Any help on this woudl be greatly appreciated. Cheers

 

Since the New EFI update my GPU throttle all the time. I have been unable ot play any games since the update. Even resetting the SMC has little effect.
I am running with Turbo Disabled and Lubbo's to set my fan speeds to max. But nothing stops the GPU from throttling. Before the EFI update I had no issue with games, hell I was even OC'ing 135 all the time.

Any help on this woudl be greatly appreciated. Cheers

 

its a known issue, basically you can try to flash back or reset smc everytime you want to game

 

could you elaborate on what you mean here? how do you flash back? and what does resetting smc do?

 

there is a problem with the EFI upgrade, there are some rmbp owners that are having severe downclocking problems, i.e. the gpu wont boost its clocks

this is the EFI

Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

imagine it like the bios

what the smc is, and some of the uses to reset it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Management_Controller

 

You can flash back in a mac?

That's the first time I've ever heard something like that

 

your model was too old to come with a flux capacitor

 

yeah i have a thread open on here about my rMBP having oddly low clock speeds.... i guess ill look into resetting smc.

UPDATE: Resetting SMC fixed it

 

Where can I get more information on this known issue? SMC resets and even a re-paste haven't allowed my rMBP's 650M to run 900MHZ without issues. It always drops back throttled clocks despite neither the GPU or CPU getting past 85C under any kind of load.

sadface

 

we dont have any clue, it appears that doh123 is more informed on this than me, pm him, he is always helpful if you bribe him with pics of cats

 

cats?

I really don't know... theres been way too much info about clock speeds being wrong or underclocking for no reasons either part of the last EFI update or the 10.8.2 update. No idea whats going on. i don't run Windows on my machine... and I haven't had any issues with it in OS X.

 

Mine was behaving this way before the either updates. I never noticed it in OSX either since I never had any games or benchmark tools to try out in OSX but in Windows, it was for sure always showing the exact symptoms being described by others on this thread.

Basically, anytime the GPU goes over 65C its basically time to throttle. Lol yay. (and yes I cleared the dead bug from the chassis and re-pasted very carefully) . My rMBP runs cool as a can be yet its always afraid to try and work up any GPU related sweat.

 

As far as Im concerned that was the most stupid thing that I could think of at the time (I know I should be more creative), didnt help though that my cat was trying to sit on my pc when I wrote the post

hummmm.... there might be something wrong with your machine them...

 

I'd like to believe its something wrong with my specific macbook, but alas it is my 2nd (the first one was with the crummy ghosting LG displays). They both acted this way, and the one I own now is just a bit worse after the recent updates.

There are enough reports of this issue for me to be hopeful there will be a fix.

 

Ok i have followed this thread and tried a few options. Now i have a retina macbook pro 2.3ghz 16gb ram with the 650m graphic card.. I have succesfully overclocked it with nvidia inspector using the command promp followin the OP advice of using force state 02 instead of 01. The maximum stable OC i can get without the computer shutting down or getting artifacts is 1100/2500 as someone else mentioned... Any higher than this and the computer shuts down to a black screen after about 5 seconds. Wether this is driver related or not i dont know. Nvidia inspector is also very tricks. It seems for all the people that cant seem to OC even using the command promp... Myself also having the issue. I set it manuall through the drop down box to P5 or P2 first. Done the command promp code and then hit unlock max on the Inspector at the top. I was then able to slide the toggles to 1100 and 2500 and clicking apply without it droping the toggles back down to the default. My first original 3Dmark11 score was around 2300 i think roughly. With the OC running monitoring with core temp and lubbos running at the full 6000rpm on both fans to be safe im hitting 3006 on 3d mark 11 Also a note to anyone that cant get Lubbos running showing the correct cpu temp. On your Lubbos download files open up the fan controll text file and change CPUkey=TC0D to CPUkey=TC0F make sure its a capital F save and restart the Lubbos program... Note: you need to change that everytime you reset defaults and restart the program. My cpu temp has hit 95 degrees when playing CPU intensive games such as ARMA 2 and hits around 30FPS at 1920 1080 on full highest settings . Im not here to post up frame rates. Just hoping i could put my input in that. It is possible but it is tricky.

 

Hey guys,

I was trying to OC my MBPr 2.3GHz with Afterburner and what I don't understand is:

Clock Rate +135MHz (result 1035MHz)
Mem Speed +900 (shows me a result of 3300 in After Burner, which sounds too crazy high?! Why is this? Shouldn't it be default clock + 900? When setting higher than ~920 I get artefacts in FarCry3...)

In Nvidia Inspector I am also limited by +135Mhz.

Actually I would be ok with a extra clock rate of 135 MHz and there comes my next question:

Do I have to worry when running this slightly overclocked system? I use Lubbos Fan Control in order to have the fans turn at proper speed.

Your answer is much appreciated!

Regards, MaKin211

 

Hey, I'm really concerned.. I haven't overclocked my GPU at all and it's reading 900/2508 on NVidia Inspector. I actually came to this thread to figure out how to do it! Is this really wrong or does anyone have an explanation for this?

 

You go by current clock mate........ Also heres my new 3dmark11 score View attachment 89958

 

I'm getting a 21" iMac with 650m and plan to use the posted methods to OC it. Should it be similar to your guys instructions? Maybe the cooling system will allow higher OC's.

I'm just hoping to hit 60 FPS in CoD Black Ops 2 with 1080p med-high settings.

 

even thought i tried the command line it doesnt work? can you please help me out here sir?

 

Hello,

I've read all posts (Notebook review & Macrumor) for the MBPr O.C.
I tried some .bat files to OC up to 1035 Mhz, but there's alaws something wrong.
I can't OC more of 1035.

Someone can make a guide with all batch files & co ?

Actually, I'm under 314.xx nvidia driver and 1.9.7 nvidiaInspector

Sorry for my bad english, I'm a french ;-)

 

As far as I know NVidia Inspector isn't compatible with NVidia drivers over 310.X. You should consider either downgrading the drivers or sticking to MSI Afterburner to OC.

I might be wrong, though. Correct me if that's the case. On another note, OC the processor is quite an absurd idea, precisely the heat produced by the processor has a great impact on the heat of the GPU (remember components are really close together there). I disabled TurboBoost (CPU usage while in-game on games like Far Cry 3 never went over 40%) and that reduced the temperatures on both CPU and GPU a lot.

 

Gaming or doing anything graphical intensive on my macbook retina scares the Bejesus out of me. Granted all of my other computers are Alienware's but this computer gets so hot when playing games I really stray away from doing it.

 

I've been doing that for quite a long time now and I just make sure the fans are maxed while I know i'll be "über loading" the CPU-GPU. Despite the computer gets really hot it doesn't even get near the "risk temperatures".

 

im just going to put this again, most programs still dont read the temps on the rmbp correctly, they usually read the heatsinks, not the chips themselves