http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/14/apple-wins-copyright-infringement-case-against-psystar-in-califo/
Well, there you have it.
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I assume Psystar's going to appeal, just cuz everyone does it even if they know they're gonna lose?
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masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook
And so, all those who bickered about Apple's EULA being invalid because of the language used (Apple labelled, Apple branded) fell silent, and the world was at rest, because the issue at hand was much deeper than the silly notion that their eula language was not clear enough - and somehow that invalidates their eula AND allows anyone to do whatever they want with someone else's work.
Gasp.
Nevertheless, I think Psystar still might have a chance at making their case with snow leopard, or in appeal over this verdict... or at least they WOULD have had a chance if they hadn't been lying about shipping their machines with legit copies of the operating system. -
I was hoping someone would beat apple... oh well as you say I'm 'shocked'.
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apple ftw...apple created os x and needs to keep the copyrights.
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Obviously the competition would mean lower prices. Apple ftw but the future consumers are the losers.
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Anyway Psystar failed and deserve if because they were in the wrong themselves.
Pointing out other's misdeed will fail if you did worse stuff. -
windows runs on many machines because it has the device drivers whereas os x does not have all the drivers. if you have a geforce 8400m gs, os x will refuse to install simply because no driver has been written for this gpu. apple relies on simplicity and i doubt findind and installing the required driver revolves around simplicity. If you want to buy an apple, buy it, else don't bother getting one. -
It just really pains me sometimes, 10 or so years ago Apple was about to fold and Microsoft would've owned the world. Apple managed to make an incredible comeback and bring us a fantastic alternative to MS's crap and made multimedia actually fun without an Xbox involved, and now that Apple has gotten big people like you want to take them back down. Geez.
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I'm siding with Apple on this one. You buy the Mac experience, not just the OS, the frame of the computer is just as important (to me at least). Why put a Ferrari engine in a Geo? - no offense to Geo owners
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Apple makes OS X to sell their hardware. Apple is a hardware company.
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Just so we're all clear, if MS prohibits all of us from running the next version of Windows on a Mac, I assume that all of the Apple advocates in this thread will defend MS's right to do so with equal verve...
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I think it just means that Apple is also a hardware company. Of course an open OS would mean that it would be more unstable, but I'm pretty sure Apple's closed system is to sell their OS and Hardware together as a package. -
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My dream is for hackintosh to be running on hardware comparable in scope to the Pro but better - such as the Dell Precision T7500 or the HP Z800, so that a native Apple experience is delivered with the stability and support of the Dell/HP. Another dream is to be able to have hackintosh in a VM so that I can use Windows-based laptops better than the Macbooks to run OS X when required - since only Windows has all the applications which really matters, and these days it's a better OS for people who actually want to get things done (and aren't devoid of common sense) than OS X.
I have these things to a degree right now - I have hackintosh running on workstations and I have hackintosh running in a VM on a notebook - but OS X is just not stable or usable enough in a commercial sense in these environments to be fully viable. In that way, having a company like Psystar out in the open was good in that it perhaps did speed up hackintosh development in some ways. And it doesn't mean I'll stop trying entirely but it has been fairly disillusioning for me, in that the last ~3% of the viability I need probably will never come. -
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If you want more competition in the computer market, than Apple isn't the company you need to focus on.
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How much will they lose?
Come on Microsoft profits through their partners in buying bulk OEM Licensing!?!?
How much money can they earn from that 5% of people using Macs? Moreover not many would use or pay for it legally or buy a new Windows retail license?
Most reuses their old Windows License for their Macs.
IF it was profitable Microsoft would have bothered to provide proper Driver Support.
They didn't do this in the EULA is because there is no need for them and to prevent public outcry.
The argument is why can't Apple be like that.
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Though ironically, Mac users probably pay way more on average for a copy of Windows since most PC users get Windows at the super low large OEM price. -
Some people manage to drag Windows arguments into a thread with a topic that has nothing to do with Window. Please stop talking about Windows.
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your right I'm looking for an alternative to windows, but right now that's apple. perhaps Ubuntu, but mainly apple. ChromeOS is likely a year way... -
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It seems to me that there are two fronts here... the OS side and the hardware side. Apple is competeing against Windows and it is also competeing against Dell / HP / and every other compter maker. Yes, I think it would be amazing if OS X could be offered on a Dell or bought off the shelf and installed but what would that do to Apple's compeditivness in the computer market?
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masterchef341 The guy from The Notebook
there is a spectrum of people.
some just want the hardware
some just want the OS
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Well if Apple did allow OS x to run non Apple Hardware, just think about how much money they would lose from overpriced hardware they sell. I doubt the increase in Software sales would out do the income for hardware.
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electrosoft Perpetualist Matrixist
In the end, I look at it that OSX is Apple's product to do with as they see fit. If you don't want to adhere to their EULA or purchase their hardware, then you look elsewhere. There are numerous choices and Apple's market share is incredibly small overall compared to Microsoft.
I find it hilarious that some try to tell others how they should sell and offer THEIR product. The market, as a whole, tends to dictate how companies fair. Apple is doing well enough with their select market. If for some reason the Apple faithful suddenly stop purchasing Apple hardware/software, Apple will respond accordingly, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.
I do wish Apple had better pricing, but I respect their right to sell their wares as they want; I am also glad Psystar lost (and badly at that). -
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Does it stop me? no, because it's a stupid nonsensical law. I treat it pretty much the same way people did back when Prohibition was in effect. hehe. The latest is being able to purchase HD movies off Xbox live. the problem? when the hard drive goes, so does your purchase. So it's not really buying, it's just an extended lease because you are not allowed to back it up or even play it on another device. -
And if Microsoft started preventing the use of windows on mac computers. Every apple user who needs windows would be in an uproar about it. Of course MICROSOFT would be taken to court and would lose. lol. Apple can get away with all of this BECAUSE their market share is small. if their market share were half what Microsoft's is, they'd lose too. -
When a corporation gets too big, it becomes evil. Just look at Google. everyone used to love google, but now that google has continued to expand and become bigger and bigger, there is a growing segment of people who are changing their minds about Google. Google is now Evil, because they are on top. Apple doesn't want that. -
It says so here.
If anyone says otherwise they must be the evil one instead...
It is just that when a Company is big it somehow draws attention from the dept of justice for some anti-evil tax.
Apple is not big enough yet... -
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If Apple wanted a big pie of the market, it would have products catered for the budget segment.
The marketing campaigns are just a way to tell the world they actually existed and is somehow superior to Windows because they don't get viruses, BSOD etc... -
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It is a sale if it is a lease money have to be paid monthly like a subscription...
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If I recall correctly the EULA only comes into play once the software is installed and the EULA agreed to. Otherwise the first sale doctrine in in effect. -
Apple wants it all (cannot blame them). These companies don't get satisfied by their own "niche". They are in this make the PC completely obsolete. It always comes down to money, they are trying for as much market share as possible. They are not some small boutique brand. This is the company that created the Ipod and the Iphone. Do you think they want a small market share in those areas and be satisfied with it?Last edited by a moderator: May 6, 2015 -
Evidence points to the contrary. Apple wants the bulk of the premium PC market. They have abandoned the low-end and middle market to concentrate on the high-dollar units. And they are very profitable at it. Their share is now hovering about 7.5-8% of the overall US market by units shipped, but they have about 90% of the premium market by revenue. After a disastrous decade in the 90's, they have learned their niche and exploited it well. The ads? That's just pillow talk, baby. It says "We want to crush Windows," but there are no offerings for people looking to spend $500 on a notebook. BMW has great adds, too, but they aren't gunning for Ford.
While there's a lot of second guessing about Apple's strategy, it works. The OS alone does not turn much profit, and expanding availability to stand-alone sales of the OS would increase costs as they have to increase support for different hardware combinations. That would put them in an even worse situation than they were in when they licensed the OS to Apple Clone makers and saw profits fall and complaints increase as low-priced clones ate away at their market, and the profit per unit plummeted.
I don't see Apple licensing the OS or selling unrestricted copies for generic hardware. The return is too small, and keeping OS X on premium computers increases the perceived value of their software. They almost killed the goose that laid the golden egg once. Don't expect them to do it again. -
Apple tried to do without Jobs, listened to what the masses (power computing anyone?) "wanted", failed miserably and almost faded into oblivion.
The masses could not care less about Apple. Or Microsoft. Enthusiasts like you and me do because we like gadgets galore. But there simply are not enough of us to drive and sustain the change even if it does happen.
Even if Apple IS interested in world dominance, it will do so at its pace. -
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Yep, Apple is all about money. They just don't know how to get there. Why don't they simply surf NBR and give people what they want?
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Maybe Apple sticks with the current plan because they are making money hand over fist already. You don't fix what isn't broken.
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I don't know. The people who post here seem to be sensible, intelligent human beings in other forums. Bring Apple in and all of a sudden it's a fest for "Apple is evil, they want everything, but they are just too stupid to capitalize on a strategy that's guaranteed for world domination."
It's tiring. But it IS my fault. No one asked for my opinion. Yet here I am.
I guess I just wish that someday, people would simply post here for the sake of sincerely helping other people, instead of "well Apple should..."
There are so many useful posts on other forums. Far out mods, taking basic notebooks and making modifications (cpu, GPU, fans, heatsink, motherboard swaps, etc.) that borders on transcendental experience.
This forum is lacking in real technical content other than the stickies. I get it. You have a PC. You want to include a Mac. But you can't because [insert reason 10000x here]. How evil of Apple.
But we already know what's going to happen. Someone is going to tell me to stop sniffing glue (or drink the koolaid), and we're back to back and forth speculations, wishful thinking, conspiracy theories, and by god, why is Apple so greedy? It goes on until the posts get out of hand and a Mod has to close the thread.
*Shock* Psystar loses to Apple
Discussion in 'Apple and Mac OS X' started by Seshan, Nov 15, 2009.