So which new MBP has the screen with a 60% higher Gamut?

I heard them say during the WWDC: New screen with 60% higher Gamut.

Who knows which MBP has it? I think it was 15 inch? all models?

 

what is gamut!?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamut
In color reproduction, including computer graphics and photography, the gamut, or color gamut (pronounced /ˈɡæmət/), is a certain complete subset of colors. The most common usage refers to the subset of colors which can be accurately represented in a given circumstance, such as within a given color space or by a certain output device. Another sense, less frequently used but not less correct, refers to the complete set of colors found within an image at a given time. In this context, digitizing a photograph, converting a digitized image to a different color space, or outputting it to a given medium using a certain output device generally alters its gamut, in the sense that some of the colors in the original are lost in the process.

or the easy way: more accurate colors.

 

Both the (new) updated 13" MBPro and the 15" MBPro are both to have the new LCD screen. Further details at Apple's site and the WWDC keynote blogs.

6 months old and now mine is officially outdated.....

 

Interesting. Do you have a source?

 

Macrumorslive.com

Time stamp 10:12 am.

 

Thanks. I wonder if this is referring to the updated 13" screen that some people already received.

 

I personally doubt it, although it's possible that Apple started slipping them in early.

We'll have to wait around and see once people start getting the refreshed units to compare and check the screen IDs, I suppose.

 

Here's some info I found on the Apple website: linky

Also, Apple Insider indicates that the new 13" Macbook Pro's have the new screens as well, look on the third paragraph: linky

 

Does this mean the screens of the 13 inch and 15 inch will be better than the 17 inch? Or does the 17 inch already have this "new" LCD screen with "60% better color gamut"?

BTW here is the quote from apple

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/06/08mbp.html

 

Yep. Good find.

The 17" already has it afaik.

 

Yeah pretty sure that's the exact way they described the lcd on the 17" when it was introduced.

 

So it sounds to me like the other MBPs are getting the same RGB LED backlighting the 17" got. Does that sound right to all you?

 

Just to take care of that as I have seen enough random claims about imaginary "color accuracy" all over the forum.

Color gamut is a feature of the backlight that determines the range (not the amount) of colors that a display can reproduce. Wider color gamut simply means richer, deeper, more natural colors or that the display has a better color reproduction. The precision (accuracy) of this color reproduction, however, doesn't only depend on the color gamut, but is a combination of a few factors, colors depth being the most important one, color gamut could only be an extra but not a determining factor.

In other words, the color accuracy of those displays is unlikely to be any better than other displays of similar quality, moreover it could potentially be a bit worse due to the increased distance between the adjacent colors as the color depth is still 6-bit per channel. (FIY, there are a few displays advertised as 8-bit, particularly the 17" RGBLED backlight ones used by Dell and HP, but that's another topic...)

For future reference, color accuracy is another parameter of display quality that can be measured objectively, but the two well-known sites don't provide information about it. So the best you can do is to avoid talking about that as it's not any different than the subjective and virtually useless claims that people make about contrast ratio, viewing angles and so on.


Now on topic, standard notebook displays usually have very poor color gamut of 45% NTSC, your standard LCD desktop monitor or TV has at least 72% NTSC, which is also know as sRGB color space. The new Apple displays also cover 72% NTSC, the 17" Unibody MBP has had the same color gamut since release. Anyway, that's not something new for the notebook industry and it's a relatively easy and inexpensive way to make the display look better without being of higher quality, you just get another backlight upgrade. (FIY, the Sony Z has 100% NTSC color gamut, and the rich colors that produces compared to the most of the other poor gamut notebook displays in the stores made a nothing-special display as overrated as it is now.)

Now I don't have pictures of the the new displays that Apple uses, but this comparison gives a general idea about what color gamut means. It compares the standard gamut (45% NTSC) 15.4" MBP Unibody WhiteLED display to a wide gamut (over 100% NTSC and aRGB) RGBLED display. The new Apple displays will be something in between, which is good and also they won't have issues outside of color-managed applications caused by the current poor software support for wide gamut displays.

 

I'm wondering if the aluminum macbook I bought last week had the new screen....when I swap it for the new macbook pro I'll find out if it did I guess.

 

No, they all have an improved version of the standard WhiteLED backlighting, which cover much narrower color space that the RGBLED backlighting used in other displays.

 

Wow, that mbp screen in the comparison looks like crap

 

still no matte option for 15'

 

not even the 17" has RGB LED, they are only 60% of sRGB(as compared to 45% originally)

pleaes don't be confused.

 

It's " 60 percent greater color gamut than previous generations", which were the standard 45% NTSC, so its 72% NTSC or that's the full sRGB color space as I said above. Apple even has a picture on its site.



And to finish the story I want to mention that the LCD manufacturers usually don't waste an improved, and of course, more expensive type of backlighting by combining it with a very low quality TN displays like those that have been in the 13.3" Macbooks. So besides the wider gamut, you could expect decent TN panels for the (low) standards of the notebook industry.

Of course, you will have to wait for objective tests from the two well-known sites (Notebookcheck.net/Notebookjournal.de).

 

that sounds reasonable, given they had been sued once due to their false claim on macbook pro before by two photographers, they should at least be honest somewhat this time around.

and yes, their 13.3 macbook screens leave a lot to be desired of... they are spec'ed great at a somewhat reasonable price(apple's view). the only down fall and a very important feature kills it completely...

ps. ROFL, someone actually buy an acer(oops, asus) lambo notebook infront of me...

 

There's a good chance it does. Try checking your display number. It's something like Preferences > display > color > calibrated display > nr.13

It should not say 9C89 or 9C8C. Those are the old displays.

PS. I read you are entitled to change your MB for the new one.

 

Well, if the new MBP-13 have the same screen with the MBP-15, I will be all the way with it.
I bought the MBP-15 because of the screen, and there is no more reasons for me over that.

 

Looks like all of them.

Interesting, eh? I'm not a Mac guy, but I'm increasingly intrigued.

 

Yep, the 13" Macbook has certainly improved a lot.

Sony just released the 13" SR with HD4570... twice as fast as 9400M.

I think Apple has the better display now, maybe.

 

Yep, and that's the one I've got my eye on -- sort of. Again, I'm intrigued, but I'm not sure I'll actually ever buy one. Something always seems to stop me. Maybe some day...

Interesting. I came pretty darn close to getting the SR when I bought my FW.

Really? Hmmm.... that's a biggie.

 

The model of the improved display in regards to 'gamut' (wider color range) is the 13" Macbook Pro, only. The 15" Model there are no changes in regards to gamut. Video wise the only change is the integrated and Discrete GPU with the higher end models of the 15" Macbook Pro.

My source? I work for Apple ~ Apple Care T2 Wireless Multimedia ~

 

Ahh, then (seeing as you also use a Dell) I'd love to hear your take on PC vs. Mac.

 

Wel with the Sony SR, Sony has been using two panels. One very good one, one mediocre one.

The first one is probably comparable to the new MBP 13" screen, the latter is similar to the old 13" MB screen.

 

Lol. Well I got that computer way before I ever started working for Apple. But the truth is when you deal with Apple All day long.. 10 hour days sometimes working on a Mac, to me the appeal of even owning an Apple computer feels a little dull since 70% of the day I'm on one anyway.

Plus I prefer PC's and I always have. Keep in mind I like Apple too. Love the touch!

P.S I work on a Mac Mini. Funny thing is the computer has a Dell display!! HA!!!

 

Ugggh. Sounds like the old Dell S-IPS lottery issue. I hate when they do that...

 

Good honest answer. Thank you!

Too funny...

 

But if he said "I prefer Mac and always did!" you would say "another fanboy!",wouldn't you?

 

Nope ...

 

then what was the point of your questions?BC most of mac users also own a pc

 

Ok guys from now on no more off topic discussion. This thread is about new MBP screens.

 

true!Sorry Phil

So no one got one yet?

 

So will the 13" screens, be just as good as that of the 15" MBPs?
I'm teetering between the high end 2.4 uMB and lower end 13" MBP, simply because now with the spec bump the proc difference is negligeable from the old and the new. The $400 difference between what I would've paid for a new 2.4, and what I can pay now for a refurb 2.4 means I can get a nasty bigger SSD.

 

No one knows yet. I'm looking forward for Notebookjournal/check to measure one of these screens. Won't be long I guess (<1 month).

 

I'm confused. Phil presented the 60% gamut increase with the 15in first (7:30 min into the conference, which you can watch online). Then he just quickly mentioned the 'same display' for 13 inches (11min 40sec).
The way I understand it, the 60% gamut increase was first introduced with the 17in in January, and now both 15 and 13in are getting the same quality (the 17 remains the same).

But it could also be all just public communication: maybe they 'forgot' to mention the gamut increase with the first 15" unibodies of late 2008, and now they mention it for new models, making it sound like it's something new when it's not.
What does Phil mean by 'new 15in'? The 'Unibody' in general, or the 2009 update?
The 13in was very crappy compared to the 15in (bad blacks, especially), so it makes sense they update it. But I never got the chance to compare my 15 unibody with the new 17 unibody which supposedly has a better display.

I do photographs and a wider gamut is important to me. Otherwise, the update is not worth it (I barely use the battery).

Could someone who has access to an Apple store please make a visual comparison with previous and new 15 models (with same parameters, especially same gamma), and take a quick look at the display name in the macbook pro's specifications?

Thanks!

 

@ michaelfoudordi, all we need is some with a new 15" MBP to post his display id, then we'll know.

It will probably be soon. If not here, it will be on Macrumors.

 

9CBD is a 13 inch display used in MBP 13".

 

the 13" seems lighter than the 15" (as for previous unibody generation)

 

Colors on the 13" look more vivid to me. I like it a lot.

 

Wow the 13" mbp looks much more saturated/vivid.

 

it really does! I wonder how good 15" screen is!

 

So there is a chance the new 15" is better than the previous one... which is to say amazing.

 

someone else posted on macrumors the model number for thier 13 MBP, and it turned out to be the same one Apple has been using in the Air. Which is a good display in my opinion.

 

I just got home from a trip to the Apple Store where I picked up a new 13" MBP. My machine has a 9CBD display. I gotta say that the display is light years ahead of the 13" uMB that I bought last year. I was so disappointed with that machine that I exchanged it for a 15" MBP. Out of the box the 9CBD has terrific color saturation, and the viewing angles aren't too bad (still a TN display). This is the display Apple should have shipped last year. Those worried about the displays on the new machines should relax a little. I'm off to play with my new toy.