Steve Jobs at Apple Town Hall Meeting on Google, Adobe, Next iPhone, 2010 Macs and More

People use common sense! Apple has best marketing (that means they are able to make up stories how their product is the best and people believe it!)

Now to point out the obvious:
iphone, ipad, ipod touch all need flash support, they needed it since the day it came out. I visit a lot of websites that use flash, like liveleak, hulu, and many others than use flash for their navigation purposes. with apple's products I cant go to those places and it makes it useless to me, and all apple owners would only benefit from using flash! Yest html5 will be the future, but what about now and the last 2 or so years of not being able to use flash, that is not comfortable for consumers!
And more importantly its all business! Steve Jobs is saying its buggy, but 90% of apple users would want to see flash on their iphones, and etc!
The real reason is money! It always will be with all big or small businesses! Apple cant reach a deal with adobe, so they do the next best thing say that adobe is useless

Dont get me wrong Im not bashing Apple! Im waiting to see an update of MBP with i5 or i7 processors and a better video card.
Its just I want to point out the obvious to people. And that is it is all marketing, sales, or BS in other words!

 

Psst! You ARE bashing Apple and Apple customers. I hated Adobe WAY before switching to Mac because of how buggy their software is. Adding Flash is the easy way to make people happy. I prefer Apple trying to find something better.

 

No I am not bashing apple. Im just saying the obvious, I still would prefer the osx over windows! as for able trying to do something different than flash is great for the future! but they should let people use flash now at least. otherwise its empty promises

 

I have never had problems with flash on the many computers I've worked with... don't know why people think it's buggy. The only concern is that it seems to be laggy on linux and os x (with comparable hardware).

 

Well said, and agreed. Apple had better parachute off its high horse and deal with Adobe and Flash, because it's not going anywhere...soon anyway. My ThinkPad almost never crashes, and I can't think of one instance where Adobe caused anything to go wrong, let alone crash. Come to think of it, I can't think of the last time Windows 7 or any application crashed for that matter. I have Mac OS X on my Thinkpad, and I'm somewhat underwhelmed. How is this "superior" to Windows? As for the eye candy, that's cute and everything, but Windows 7 has its own and again, I prefer Windows over Snow Leopard on that front as well.

The iPhone has become the biggest money maker for Apple than all other devices combined! Steve-oh ought to take his tall "funny" hat to Adobe's peeps. Looks like there are some compatibility issues between Mac's and Flash.

 

I have to say Flash is really buggy as I am myself a Flash developer at work. :/

 

For anybody who disagrees they are poorly educated. Like 90%-99.8% of the time your browser crashes is because of some flash fubar. Honestly, I don't know why it's so buggy after decades of work. And you know what? As most softwares got leaner, lighter and performed faster flash somehow became more sluggish and resource heavy. Adobe is a multibillion dollar company and they've had decades and yet they still can't get their act together....

I'm excited as all hell about HTML5 from what I've heard. But who knows.... HTML5 might not deliver..... I'm really, really hoping it will.

 

interesting. I've done flash/actionscript development for almost a decade now. I've not had too many bugs encountered with the work I do. but I think we can agree that Flash in the hands of someone who doesn't put security or stability first can lead to a bad situation. like with any software, though.

...on a Mac. as I already said, my PC hasn't crashed because of Flash in half a year. It was crashing...because of a Skype plug-in.

So really...your issue is with Adobe's Mac dev team. That, or the developers of the flash code on the websites your visiting. If you build something properly on it, your users will typically have a good experience on it. again, unless it's just the Mac plug-in. in which case...sorry dude. Win7 has no such issues.

I wouldn't mind seeing Silverlight become more prominent. I've heard very few complaints about it. I've not tried to build anything with it yet, due to low penetration.

 

I'm not exactly speaking of the Actionscript codes. More like running any Flash API on Firefox leads to killing the CPU usage and high temperature. While even there isn't any flash code or animation on it.

It happened to several computer when Flash 10 came out.