Still don't think it is time to upgrade, personally speaking

Most persons are talking about reverse scrolling...

Any improvement or useful additions in Garage Band, iMovie, iPhoto, Iweb?
Does iWeb now support SWF or Flash files?

Any more loops or instruments in Garage Band?

Anything new for iMovie?


Is it New a OS, a few new tricks but the same programs?


The price is reasonable though.


I am more interested in the release of Pixelmator 2 with useful new features.

 

This is a new OS, not a new iLife suite.

Besides, reverse scrolling is really minor. If you don't like it, you can disable it.

 

At least the mail client is new....I really didn't like the old one.

 

Letsjam,

I respect your opinion in this matter quite a bit.
If there is no compelling reason, then indeed it makes little sense to upgrade.

I upgraded, and am having some regret in doing so. The warnings that Power PC applications would no longer run were the only publicly discussed reason for not doing so.

However, since upgrading I have found many problems that make Power PC compatibility pale in comparison.

1) My boot time increased by 30%, shutdown time is doubled
2) My typical operating temperature for any given activity rose by nearly 20 degrees F.
3) My fan speeds have gone up, probably because of the increased operating temperatures.
4) I expect that with a hotter processor, requiring a higher fan speed to keep from overheating, will undoubtedly cause a diminished charge life on a battery cycle. I'm saving that surprise until tomorrow.
5) NTFS-3G and Truecrypt are both non-functional because of a reliance on MacFuse, which is not compatible with Lion.

We'll see what other surprises are in store. After all, it's been less than 24 hours.

Don't let anyone change your mind, Letsjam, until the issues have sorted themselves out.

Yeah, I know its only a matter of time until Apple and the app developers have adjusted to Lion. Until then, users will have to decide whether Lion is a necessity or not.


EDIT: My boot time and shutdown time have now dropped to within two seconds of that of SL.
My Temps are still elevated, but maybe only + 10 degrees over SL. Battery life is less, but not documented to exact figure. I got NTFS-3G and Truecrypt to work again after updating Macfuse. I still don't like some of Lion's default settings. I hope there will be a tools app out soon to fine tune things. I just ordered a 13" new Air with Lion, so I guess I am committed now.

 

Hm. If you think there will be major problems, then don't upgrade.

But if you don't have any specific application conflicts...
and if there aren't any new features that can't be turned off that you hate...
and you don't feel there are any real performance issues...
and if you feel the price is reasonable...

...why wouldn't you upgrade?

But then that's just me. I get bored easily, and I'd upgrade just for the novelty of it (....I even "upgraded" to Windows ME and Vista when they came out :/).

 

"This is a new OS..."

I wouldn't go as far as to say that - More like a Windows 98 SE to Windows ME type of change (Without the issues that ME had).

Sad to see that people are having temperature issues. Is it more of a GPU or CPU thing or all over?

 

Yikes. Sounds like you should roll back to SL and wait. You did make a Carbon Copy backup or similar before upgrading, right?

As for your issues, I'm happy to report that I have none of them. My machine boots just as fast as before the upgrade. It runs no hotter and consequently has seen no increase in fan noise after the first 45 min or so when Spotlight was re-indexing and Mail was upgrading my messages.

Lastly, I checked all my software against the 3rd party compatibility website to make sure everything I use was working AND I read the Ars Technica review (20 pages) to ensure I knew what was going to change. I made my final snow leopard CCC backup (just in case...) and went for it.

My upgrade went hitch-free as a consequence. No issues with software of any kind. Hope your issues sort themselves out. Or that you made a SL backup so that you can restore it and go back to problem-free computing.

I can recommend Paragon NTFS over the other app you're using for NTFS compatibility. That may be the source of some of your problems.

Remember folks, an OS upgrade is a big deal. Make sure you backup. Make sure you visit the websites of software you need working to verify their compatibility. Read expert reviews. Do these things BEFORE upgrading to major OS releases.

 

All this even with a 2011 Mbp? Btw, I experienced a longer shutdown time on my upgrade as well, but I am seeing if it is because the computer hasn't optimized itself yet for lion.

 

Yes, that should be the basic checklist for any computer you upgrade, Mac, Winbox, Linux or otherwise.

Lion (or any OS) checklist:

1.) Backup. SuperDuper!, CarbonCopyCloner, whatever. I recommend CCC. Carbon Copy Cloner - Home

2.) Check for software compatibility. Mac OS X Lion Application Compatibility - RoaringApps

3.) Read good reviews. Here is Ars: Mac OS X 10.7 Lion: the Ars Technica review

4.) If you are satisfied with what you've read and with the level of compatibility of your favorite software, UPGRADE. If not, wait until the software you need or features you want are released.

 

The longer boot and shut down is due to the "resume" feature in Lion. It is saving all your Applications and spaces information and then loading it on boot. At least for people with HDD this seems to make boot and shut down longer. For those of you with SDD it doesn't really

 

I haven't noticed longer boot and shutdown times though. In fact, my system boots a little faster, it goes to sleep almost instantly, and it shuts down a lot faster than Snow Leopard and that is all with a MBP that only has a hard drive. It doesn't matter if I have 10 programs with resume information or none at all, my boot and shutdown times are slower than under Snow Leopard. My guess is that this is still some type of performance issue that is being ironed out.

 

FWIW, on my early 2009 iMac (in sig), Lion has the same speed in terms of Sleep/Wake and Boot times as SL. Temps are just about identical but there is a noticeable increase in overall in-OS and in-App snappiness. This could be due to the clean install although I did reload all my stuff back on so it's not so clean anymore.

 

When I shut it down last time, it gave me the option of saving my settings ("resume" I guess?) but I unchecked it. Still, the startup today was longer than usual.

 

Still don't think it is time to upgrade, personally speaking.

The price seems to be the only encouraging factor.

personally speaking, Still don't think it is time to upgrade.

LOOKING FOWARD TO iLife 12
LOOKING FOWARD TO Pixelmator 2

 

Have you tried LibreOffice? It runs on all the OSes and it's free. Does a nice job too.

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/

 

Is there an echo in here? Yes, we get that yo udon't think it is time to upgrade "personally speaking." Why the need to repeat said information over and over again? Is this some type of troll bait thing or what? Not everyone needs to run the latest OS releases whether it is OS X Lion, Windows 7, or some Linux distro. That is fine. Why create a thread about it, complain that the OS doesn't include updates to a completely different package (which is like complaining that Windows 7 didn't come with new versions of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint), and then repeat the same thing a few times over?

 

I agree 100% with everything you said.

The OP purposely bumped the thread and repeated what he said in his OP verbatim. Suspecting this is a Microsoft paid person here to offer the details of his....cough cough...love for Lion.
I would say if he keeps bumping to use the report button.

 

I was going to post asking just this...my mid-2010 15" MBP has an Intel 320 SSD, and it boots quick enough that I rarely see the 'spinning wheel', and shuts down near instantly as well. If anything, Lion seems faster than SL in almost every regard.

 

No temperature issues here, on an Early '08 MBP15. Everything stays below 50 C most of the time (I always run the fans at 4k RPM w/ smcFanControl). Before, with SL, temps stayed usually the same, always under 50 C under most cases, save for really heavy load where it would get to 60 C.

Shutdown does take longer, due to the Resume feature. I also have FileVault encryption enabled, and I notice little overhead on my Core 2 Duo. (There's practically none on the i5/i7 models w/ AES-NI instructions in the hardware.)

All in all, not a bad upgrade. No big issues here yet, knock on wood.