Touchscreen Macs incoming with apple silicon.

Just watched this, and I am with him. Touchscreen macs are incoming SOON! The evidence is right in the redesign of MacOS. Hiding in plain sight.

 

Finally! Lack of touchscreen was one of the reasons Apple laptops always appalled me.

 

Yep, I am hoping for a 2 in 1 mbp with full touch, pencil support and still retain the touch bar. It would make for the ultimate creative device on the go.

 

I won't be surprise that months down the road, Apple will probably announce a new Apple device that may named as "Apple Mega Turners".
Which may jolly well be 2 in 1s that already comes in Win and Chromium flavors...

 

I am guessing the "but there's one more thing" will be the touchmacbookpro at the phone event. They plan to have ARM series macbooks by the end of the year.

 

Look at how powerful and efficient Qualcomm+Adreno, MTK+Mali, and the upcoming Samsung+AMD ARM "APUs" can be... With Ryzen going towards 5nm or smaller if possible, Apple will be the Tortise in the race, when the blue bunny wakes up and hop passes it...

 

HA HA HA. Think again Ed. Apple's silicon will not be slow. Not by a long shot.

 

Certainly... Apple'll not be slow. They had achieved performance with their big sized IPad, isn't it? How big was that? 12inch or 13? Anyway those big pads hv some significant indications to be send to consumers... "We've make our pads big! Now... It's only how are we going to perfect the physical keyboards. What would the consumers prefer, attached and flippable to the back? Or magnetically removable?"

Well the threat to APPLE was imminent since last year...

...that it probably had inspired APPLE to make it an official option this year!​

 

Considering the current arm chips in windows PC's got smoked by a 2 generation old apple a chip is all the evidence you need.

 

No doubt on Apple's capabilities. But had they employ in on consumer laptops, 2yrs ago?
Apple takes the lead to turn big size portable computing hearts smaller in 2020, not Qualcomm...although we had seen Samsung's earlier attempts thru Chromebooks...
https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/exploring-samsung-arm-chromebook-3g

 

WHO CARES when they "employ" them. They are in coming now, and are going to be beasts. ARM chromebooks are playtoys for students.

 

Of course I could be wrong but I doubt their incoming right now (touchscreen MacBooks), but yeah it’s been clear for a while that mobile and desktop would eventually converge despite their denials. Probably just the beginning with bringing the UI closer to mobile.

I can’t imagine them doing a half hazard touch screen laptop. When they do touch it will likely be a foldable or maybe even a desktop Mac. Current gen conventional touch laptops even at the high end are more a novelty with pretty crude touch and without laminated displays aside from the likes of the Surface which is pretty decent.

 

To SMEs, computing equipment costs matters. Connectivity also matters.
Certainly, u or others may say there are many lower cost home/student use models out there for SMEs to buy for their staffs use. But if can save further with lower cost ARM CPU/SOC that offers Mobile network connectivity as well... Wouldn't that a huge savings?

 

those people would not buy Apple computers regardless of processor. Try again. We get it you don’t like Apple. Move along.

oh they are coming ASAP. And yes, I agree they will be deadly. iOS is the best touch based OS available, and they will have a iOS based macOS system. Hence the reason for arm and iOS apps

 

Hmmm... we been gohing on ARM CPU powering mega sized computing hardwares or just on the Apple ARM+Apple OS+Apple Hardware subject?
I've been on the ARM+No Specific OS+Hardware side of the track, u know...?

No doubt... u're partially spot on. I'm a APPLE hater. To the brand, to the company which is not honest on computing product pricing. However, i don't hate the OS at all... infact, i'm planning to "Rykentosh" my Legion 5 when it arrives. If installation fails, then i will go probably Linux/Windows dual install. In content creation and media works, Apple software can offer more than Windows do. However when it comes to execution of office works, Apple is still a few steps away from Windows.

I see the potential of ARM CPU not only can entertain, can game, can create, can work. But can it drive "big trucks" in computing world, it's still yet to be determine as we don't see ARM CPUs being a small heart with big body.

 

Apples arm will, the rest not so much. Apple has already proven their arm chips are much more powerful than any other considering a 2 generation old iPad Pro outgunned a core i5.

 

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/microsoft-surface-pro-x-vs-apple-ipad-pro Read about the power of the apple arm processor here Ed. It flat out smokes the intel core i5. Converted 4k video in 7 min plus some seconds where the i5 does it in 31 min. Even the threadripper can't keep up with that. Just sayin!

 

Yes it smoked it in Adobe Rush, a program designed for ARM which also has cross comparability on x86 with software encoding... I'd love to see a current article as I believe Adobe may have actually enabled hardware encoding for x86 platforms in March of this year, although I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

 

Actually.....it was using x86 in emulation. So, the intel chip had a significant advantage.

I am trying to find the article now.

Here is one, not the one I am remembering reading, but again it shows apple's chips are quite powerful. And in a laptop application, battery life and more memory will make it outstanding.
The article I remember was using a 2018 ipad pro and a macbook with i5 using premire

https://wccftech.com/2020-ipad-pro-...-but-only-slightly-faster-than-2018-ipad-pro/

 

While I agree Apple’s ARM CPUs are pretty powerful and getting competitive with current x86 CPUs, Geekbench however is a terrible benchmark it’s better to use it to compare between mobile devices. This even putting aside quirks like where an Epyc 7501 in Windows scored like 1/4 of what it would get on Linux last year...

In Bapco Tablet Mark the A12X doesn’t do that well against the same CPU it supposedly smoked, does it mean Bapco is better, no I’m just saying better not to simply go by one benchmark. Of course performance per watt also needs to be considered where ARM implementations have a big advantage.

And things aren’t as black and white even with encoding as it can be accelerated by GPU which the integrated Intel one hasn’t really been updated since Broadwell in 14/15, aside from the recently released Tiger Lake that is. So encode can be a reflection of the SoC as a whole rather than just the cores themselves.

Anandtech had a better write up showcasing how far ARM CPU Cores have come using various benchmarks rather than Geek alone.

Overall I can’t wait to see all these new custom ARM implementations from Apple, Ampere etc take on x86 performance and market share in the long run.

 

No, Rush is a mobile video editing software piece that was designed for ARM and then software emulation was added for x86. They MAY have enabled hardware acceleration as of may 2020 (the article you linked initially came out in 2018), but I don't know if that's actually the case.

I don't run geekbench so I cannot comment there, but good on apple for going back to their proprietary roots to ensure they can control every aspect of their product.

 

I understand rush. I am stating the article I read about apples arm chip vs Intel i5 was using premiere emulated on the iPad pro with home button and a mbp with an i5.

 

Oh, which article is that? I am having a hard time believing that an ARM emulating x86 would do so faster than a native processor.

 

It was posted on both mspoweruser and windows central. I cannot find it right now. As soon as I do, I will link it. But I was as surprised as you are but that was the article.

https://www.extremetech.com/computing/312234-apple-a12z-arm-performance-vs-x86

Geek bench x86 running in emulation on a12z processor

 

Good on Apple for making a fast ARM chip, but the i5 was 44% faster than the ARM running x86 emulation even though the i5 has 4 fewer cores. Of note, running native instructions the geekbench score on the ARM chip was only 8% slower than the i5, that's pretty impressive (although I still don't know a lot about geekbench).

 

I don't know much about any of it other than what's being reported. Remember that chip is two generations old now...going to be very interesting.

 

2 generations old? The A12z was released March 18, 2020?

 

I guess that's still not the right article.

 

The A12Z is pretty much just an A12X from 2018 with an extra GPU Core active, same in every other aspect including clock rates if I recall correctly.

 

Either way you can bet the notebook based A processor from apple is going to be a screamer. Now with a truly ARM optimised OS behind it, the new macbooks are going to be fast. This is not something they just pull out overnight. They have been working for years on this. Now, it's ready!

 

To further this discussion. I think Snazzy has the proper benchmarking information about the A12 chip doing some really great work.