Asus G73JW at GenTech for 1645$

JW looks good to me. I am looking forward to seeing how it performs.

 

I bought the G73JH about 15 days ago, so that leaves me 15 more days to decide whether to return it to Amazon and get the JW. This WAS my original plan, however I don't think I see a reason to anymore....am I wrong? Is WiDi REALLY all that great?

 

well the mobility 5870 is definitely going to beat the 460m overall, but nvidia beats Ati in tessellation (which is the only benchmark listed on ken's site) coz of the better hardware tessellation unit built into the core...
so jw will def outperform jh in dx11 benchmarks, dirt2,etc but most other games will run better on Ati

n well Dx11, tessellation n 3D is supposedly the future so looks like the jw is the better choice. That said, i LOVE my g73jh and HATE nvidia due to my previous experiences with it and would never get another Nvidia powered notebook.

 

I dunno if it's really worth sending it back.....ahhh I'm at a crossroads. So you're saying YOU would if you were me?

 

Reliability is also a HUGE factor for me, so it sounds as if you're saying the JH is more reliable because of ATI, and nvidia powered notebooks are not so reliable. I'm leaning towards keeping this one, but if the JW truly is a better laptop, i still have 15 days to decide.

 

I really don't care about 3% or so performance decrease that the JW would suffer in DX9 or DX10 compared to JH, what I'm worried about is driver support and GSODs.

 

I think the option for this G73JW would be to come in November with a nv480m of 2.0GB, with a real screen 1080p 120hz 3D with 3D glasses, USB 3.0, EAX Advanced HD 5.0 and the WiDi Wireless Display .. Otherwise it is better to stay with the G73JH and see the next new series of ASUS notebooks for gamers (I do not know G75, etc)

 

well that is just my opinion, my last 2 notebooks had nvidia gpu's and they failed miserably.
I'm very satisfied with the Ati gpu, i've never faced any problems with it, been GSOD free since i bought it.
I'm sure you'll find people who'll have the same opinion of Ati as i have of Nvidia.

I say test out your system thoroughly, if u dont have any problems with it, keep it coz the nvidia gpu is untested and why let a sure thing go...Again, that's just my opinion

 

you do know that a load of bull crap based on NVIDIA Advertising...I really doubt NVIDIA tesellation is going to be better than ATI's.. i've also heard that catalyst 11.0 is going to have some special features which will make teselllation on 5870M improve dramatically..11.0 isn't far away anyways... but i'd stick with 5870m.. with Asus fixing it , nothing comming close to it.

 

+1

did you have a g1s/g2s with defective 8600 too?

 

No, its not based on advertising, it based on personal experience. Nvidia does manage to outperform equivalent Ati cards in tesselation heavy games/benches and that's why that's all that Nvidia advertises.
But the gain definitely isnt worth the extra cash and power requirements. AND the 460m is not the equivalent of 5870m

N i hope you're correct abt the Cat 11.0!!

 

Trust me Ken, with good pricing, and all the new tech Asus throwing into this model, the G73JW is becoming very enticing. What's not to like? I can't wait to see the new 120hz screen, on the upcoming 3D model. I must admit though, like many others here, I too, prefer ATI. I see you updated the product page again. Are you trying to tempt me further Ken? Are you suggesting I become an 'early-adopter', AGAIN?

ALSO Ken, are you saying I should buy a new lappy 'EVERY' year? You would like that, wouldn't you?

We'll see...... maybe..... just maybe.

 

Actually, I was looking at GenTech's page, and the MSI GX740 looks really sweet at a half-decent price. The only problem I have with it, to be honest, is that it only has a one year bumper-to-bumper warranty and you have to pay upwards of $300.00 for full a 3 year warranty, which, to be honest, I believe should be the standard in gaming laptops, period.

 

The GX740's screen is terrible. Look it up for yourself.

 

Yeah, agreed, the GX660R momentarily caught my eye..... newer tech & great bang for the buck. BUT in this regard, no doubt, overall the G73JW will be hard to beat.

Also, it would seem the MSI screens do leave something to be desired.

 

I am going to take a look at the reviews, but if it's true about the screen then that is a real shame. Because the GX740 is basicaly the equivalent of the G73's high end models and it sells for $1,300+ as opposed to between 1.6 and 1.8K.

 

No doubt, the GX740 is nicely priced, but I do not know that I would go so far as to say 'equivalent' to G73 high end models. I guess it really boils down to personal preferences and budget. The G73JW differs significantly...... at $1745 (for the A-1 model), you will see a better, higher res, LED backlit 1080p screen..... 8GB of DDR3..... HDMI 1.4..... USB 3.0..... 4x Blu-Ray..... 2x 500GB HDD's..... the newer Intel i7-740QM..... and to sweeten the deal, a nice backpack & mouse. The G73JW is a very nice package, at a very fair price. SOoooo, No, not exactly 'equivalent, but I do see where you are coming from.

 

The resolution is so close the difference is negligible. My point, however, was that what you get for $1,300+ in the MSI is a freaking steal in comparison to what you get from the G73 for almost $1,800.

Of course, the point is completely moot if the screen sucks lol!

 

Now the Asus G53JW-A1 and the Asus G73JW-A1 are available for pre-order from xoticpc.com for 1499$ and 1745$.

 

Yes, I totally got your point, and I get where you are coming from. My point is, it's all relative to what you are getting for your money. We could say both models are bargains in this regard. With the G73JW you are getting the latest tech, and more of it...... hence the higher price, but still a bargain nonetheless.

XOTICPC.COM! (you are welcome Justin!) (..... and YES KEN, I still love you too at GenTechPC.com)

 

Oddly enough, I don't see the JW as a bargain. I don't see it as being much better than the JH, to be honest, and there is every indication that it won't be as good, at least not the video card. With 3D, hybrid drives, USB 3.0, and a few other minor improvements, I don't see it as significant enough to justify the price tag or the hit to the GPU. In fact, my main reason for being glad about the JW is the HOPE that when it comes out, I can score the JH at a knock down price. Frankly, I prefer the 5870 over ANY GeForce card out right now except for the 480m, which automatically puts the laptop into a whole other price class.

 

LOL! My, my! You are crack'in me up here! I thought the comparison was MSI GX740 -vs- G73JW..... and now we are off comparing G73 models, and video cards. Let's stay on track now......FOCUS!

At $1359, the GX740 WILL NOT come equiped with the same quality or same res screen....... no Blu-Ray..... no HDMI 1.4..... no USB 3.0..... no 8GB DDR3..... no 1TB of storage (2x 500GB HDD's)..... not the latest core i7...... and no backpack & mouse. AGAIN, hence the price variation! Are ya feeling me yet?

Anyhow, I'm not going to argue the merits of video cards here, and real-world user results have yet to be fully realized, regarding the 460m. IF you have been following my post, you may have noticed, I too am an ATI man.

All of this aside, at $1745, the G73JW will still be a bargain for what you are getting for your buck. (Can't we all just 'get-along'!)

AND, I truely hope you find your G73JH bargain...........

 

I switched back to the G73 again because I was done talking about the MSI as we had finished that conversation. I then switched to why I believe that the JH model of the G73 is actually a better PC than the JW as far as I am concerned.

 

It may have great specs, but you can't say it's a great PC with the staggering amount of problems that have arisen since its introduction and have PERSISTED all this time without solution. Even the store models I tried out had keyboard and other issues, and now I personally know a guy whose G73 kept overheating and later got PSOD. It's a complete joke, and the B1 model ASUS is pushing now is just throwing more salt in the wound.

 

OHhhhhhh, the O'l Switcha-roonie! Ok, I gotcha!

Well, I guess which G73 model will fair best, is yet to be seen.

Great PC? Who said that?

Agreed, great specs, and how the G73JW will fair, is again yet to be seen. I have had my share of bad experiences with Asus models, but in fairness, I have yet to see 'the perfect notebook'. One can only hope Asus delivers with the G73JW.

We'll see soon!

 

460M now listed on Nvidia website
GeForce GTX 460M

 

460M Benchmarks!!!

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...-cards/515139-nvidia-gtx-460m-benchmarks.html

 

Yup . another -=Str|k3rz=- G73JW Essentials video?

460M takes advantage on DX11 and it will perform better than 5870 for DX11 games only, but for DX9 and 10 the ATI 5870 is a better card.

 

u also do have to take note that by Catalyst 11.0 , the ATI drivers will make tesellation work way better from what i've heard...

 

Im looking around but not finding any information for buyers. does the xotic version of the asus G53/73jw-a1 come with 3d glasses and a reciver? Is the screen a 120 hertz, and what type of wireless tv does it come with, does that require extra stuff as well?

 

interesting reading on why Nvidia seems to handle tessellation better..
Nvidia's form of Tessellation compared to AMD/ATI's form of Tessellation

 

There seems to be talk about a 3D screen on the JW's coming around Christmas, but I am not sure. From everything I can see, however, on the pre-order models, the ONLY 3D is externally by using a 3D TV, and no, the laptop screen does not seem to support it at all.

 

Yes, a 3D model (G73JW-3D) will be available soon...... after the release of G73JW-A1, and right now it's looking like the end of November timeframe. Also, it will have an awesome 120hz, 1080p LED backlit screen, and the 3D glasses. Estimated cost will be approximately $200 above the A-1 model. At the moment, this is the one I am holding out for. Personally, I'm sure I'll toy around with the 3D glasses, but I just want that 120hz screen!

 

No, the A-1 model will not have the 3D glasses or 120hz screens, however with HDMI 1.4, you will be able play 3D if you have a 3D big screen TV.

Watch for the G53/G73 true 3D models to be released after the A-1 models...... probably around the end of November.

 

Yes indeed, Kurt! An edge for nVidia in DX11.....

My take on this is both cards will have their merits here..... though I am sure there is much debate to come, on which card will be better. The nVidia -vs- ATI debate will always rage on, LOL! In the case of the G73, I think both cards will aptly game..... but one must consider future support. In this regard, I am thinking an edge for nVidia again, especially given ASUS's proprietary track record with ATI driver support.

 

Does the 500MB more memory in the GTX 460M not help at all against the HD 5870's 1024MB of memory?

I would have thought this would have helped give it a slight edge... but it doesn't look to be the case.

 

no it wont. Ati is getting retired. Everything will be under AMD so the nvidia AMD rage will start.

 

My understanding is that ATI will have the edge in DX9, and DX10, yielding a slight edge to nVidia in DX11 gaming. My point was, both cards should game aptly in the G73. It really boils down to personal choices here. It's simply a fact, 'with reason' Asus has chosen to go with nVidia in their later G73 models, so pick your poison...... an older model G73 with an ATI card (and possibly, existing issues), or a newer model with an nVidia card. Personally, I'll be chosing the later. To do any better at the moment, seems one would have to look at a different class of notebook, and graphics card. With either card, I find the G73 at an exceptable price-point and performace level. But given history, question is, will all the issues be ironed out with the newer G73 nVidia models? This remains to be seen...... but I think maybe so, or I am at least hopeful.

Huh? Not really certain I understand, or perhaps I was misunderstood, but maybe my reply above will be helpful.

 

I think -=$tR|k3r=- is right...it is a pick your poison decision on the video cards. It will depend on the game, and the eye candy you want.

Then the Intel® i7-740QM over the Intel® i7-720QM, HDMI 1.4, USB 3.0 and other small feature changes like the touchpad buttons make up the reason for the $100 price difference.

I doubt that you will ever see the JH-A1 come down in price because there won't be anymore produced so once the small amount of current inventory is sold that will be the end of that version.

 

Thanks Donald!

Are you prepared to make me a GREAT deal on my new G73JW-3D?

(sorry, couldn't resist!)

 

I know i have my on the JW but am still undecided if i am going to wait to see how it all pans out like the temps etc...

I wouldnt mind being a first day adopter like the last G73 though since thats always fun

The performance difference in most if not all games will be negligible at best between the 2 and in time i am sure driver improvements will happen just like the 5870 saw some nice improvements over time with updates ...

For me its just more of a i want to try something other then another 5870 machine since i have seemed to try them all ...

 

We will be here to serve you whenever your are ready -=$tR|k3r=-

 

Yes I am sure he is.

Full retail price, not a penny more!

 

I think the JW will be a significant improvement over the JH. First of all, no more worries about the GPU. USB3.0, HDMI 1.4 are useful additions. The meager difference in DX9 and 10 is negligible. Probably most important, you'll have Vision 3D, and I definitely think a 120hz screen is in the works. 3DTVs are getting no love, but I definitely think 3D laptops are a great thing for gamers if done right.

I'm still preferring the Qosmio for a number of reasons, but unless Asus really drops the ball (again) I think the JW will be a winner.

 

Ok, let's say I'm ready..... where is your G73JW-3D pre-order page?

 

I am with ya, Bro!

Let me know when we are having our G73JW-3D unbox'in party! I vote we have the party at Ken's place! (unannounced!)

 

This Gx740 was my worst technological purchase EVER in my entire life!

The screen is so terrible that my 10 year old dinosaur monitor looks more appealing. Utter garbage is what it is and I pity anyone who gets it. I learned a very important lesson in screen quality hunting after that mistake.

 

Yeah, screen quality is ever more important these days as some manufacturers look to cut corners. Fortunately, I didn't have to pay to learn that lesson.

 

Will the 120Hz screen look better than the current G73JW screen? I'm not really sure what the difference is, to be honest. I don't really care too much about the 3D aspect. I am looking for a gaming laptop purchase at the end of September or October, but am willing to wait if it does promise to be better.

 

when is the preorder state of the JW supposed to end and the actual shipping of said units supposed to begin?