Asus Launches GX700 Gaming Notebook with Watercooling Dock

So not too much longer

 

I thought Aorus is also coming out with a desktop gtx980 laptop too.

I think this is going to start being an actual trend....desktop gpus in laptops. Having the best desktop gpus in laptops should also keep costs down a little bit, instead of requiring go laptop gpus to have the equivalent performance.

I think what i would of liked to see

I was actually deciding between building a desktop or getting a gaming laptop. And with the right deal the laptop can actually turn out to be around the same price I think. I got a G751 second hand with a gtx970m / 256gb ssd / i7 4720hq / gsync ips for around $700. There have been guys getting the alienware 15r2s with the gtx980m for less than $700 during that outlet sale as well. I would of jumped on that but I need a decent screen because I want a laptop where I don't have to connect it to an external monitor.

An equivalent desktop to my 970m model if you include the monitor, keyboard, and mouse is probably going to run you around $900 I think. That's with a GTX960m. Sure you can cheap out on the case, and psu, and what not, but it won't compare to the styling of the g751 that's for sure and the ability to put it in a slim bag like this:



It's heavy don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to walk with this for more than a mile lol. Backpack would be better as it distributes the weight better, but I can still make due with a shoulder bag.

 

GX700 is starting to ship - with a wheeled case for travel

ASUS ROG GX700 liquid-cooled gaming notebook
Power-User experience event


ASUS ROG GX700 and G752 review: Super-powered gaming notebooks
http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/feature-asus-rog-gx700-and-g752-review-super-powered-gaming-notebooks

ROG GX700 - World's First Liquid-Cooled Gaming Laptop

 

Wow, that is one amazing machine and design.

I think it would make more sense instead of the watercooling unit, why not have a external gtx980 instead. All that money into a portable watercooling unit when you can just package it with a gtx980 egpu solution which will give it much better performance than overclocking.

I know asus has an external gpu in the works from a post here.

 

It's simple really. The GX700 carries the GTX 980 mobile desktop GPU inside, so you can take it with you and far outperform any possible iGPU based laptop.

The GX700 GTX 980 mobile desktop outperforms most dGPU laptops - in a thinner and more compact 17" frame than any of those dGPU laptops while mobile, and outperforms the rest when docked.

I do wonder why the eGPU makers haven't thought to provide a case for the laptop / eGPU box like Asus provides with the GX700. The size of the eGPU is about the same, maybe larger in some dimensions, so it would make sense to have a way to transport the full performing system.

All the distributed box implementations for desktop performance have drawbacks.

With the GX700, you have more GPU performance for mobile use away from the desktop than any eGPU system can give.

 

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Can you use GX700 without the dock? If yes, then what are the cons besides cooling?

 

Basically in this current iteration the desktop grade single chip 980 will function as high as the 980m when disconnected from the cooling dock, once you connect it, it goes to its intended capacity, there's a turbo button that all at once OCs the gpu, cpu, and RAM, effectively going from stock 980m performance to OC'd desktop 980, which is where the touted ~80% performance increase comes from.

One more thing, anyone who buys the gx700 now with the current Nvidia gen is being needlessly adventurous. First of all the 980m/980 is 1.5 years old and we're on the brink of Pascal, which won't be just any new architecture, and for a machine that is most assuredly going to run at least one external 4K, going from Maxwell to Pascal will improve your frame rate to be from passable at 4K to okay-good. More so with something as avant garde as liquid cooling in a laptop, I'd rather wait for the second batch of the GX700 that will ship with Pascal, there's bound to be things to iron out, and on a >3500$ machine I don't want to take any chances.

The time to buy it is Christmas 2016. The sellers here will always try to sell more products per cycle, so don't be fooled.

 

So basically using gx700 without the dock equals to using g752? I see. What I really like about the gx700 though is that it's slimmer than g752 and its rear vent has such cool design. Anyway I've already decided to skip buying laptop this year. Pascal does indeed sound promising!

 

Pascal may have a long intro cycle, with the high end desktop card first and parts for HPC computing (Super computers).

The Pascal laptop series may only be a modest jump to 980 desktop mobile performance in the mid range, with 25-35% better performance on the top end.

Nvidia doesn't spend all the headroom from a new architecture on the first release any more, gone are the days of doubling GPU performance. There is too much $ in milking full performance over time.

If the high end laptops release with Pascal much before September I would be surprised.

Waiting is a waste of time. All those months of gaming on a high end laptop are lost.

Losing 8 months of highend gaming isn't worth it to me.

Besides 2nd / 3rd gen Pascal + Kabylake / Cannonlake is really where it's at

 

@hmscott, lol You and your gaming Nah, I'll be mostly using it for video editing and music production. Gosh, the last time I gamed was back in 2006, when I still had my desktop PC...falling apart on me. Even back then I was stuck with playing outdated games since my GPU was ancient. Oh, oh , oh! And that awful HDD. The thing I had to endure to open files..any files.

Which laptop did you have before you got the g80, btw?

ps I just realized Asus had its 25 anniversary last year.

 

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I go through lots of laptops, some I keep for a long time, most I turn over within 3 - 6 months. It's not a matter of whether they are good enough or fast enough, it's that I am checking out new technology.

My last long time laptop was the Asus G750JH with the 780m, which OC'd really well, and played games well enough to keep and wait for the 2nd/3rd gen 9xx series - there were lots of problems during the 1st gen for a lot of mfgrs, enough problems to keep my G750JH for a lot longer than normal for me.

There was nothing I was interested in buying until the GT80 18" SLI 980m series came along, and the Broadwell 5950HQ seemed like the best CPU to accept - best of proven previous gen on 14nm vs 1st gen problems of Skylake.

I was worred about Skylake 1st gen and Windows 10 coinciding, and I didn't think waiting 6 months would be enough to work out the initial problems. Waiting sucks.

I am looking at a number of options for my next laptop, but I don't think it is made yet - unless the GX700, G752, or other single 980 leaps into the realm of a good purchase opportunity.

A 980 SLI with the bugs worked out is on my watch list, but so far only 1 is standing out - the GT80 SLI 980 - and my GT80 SLI 980m OC'd performs close enough to not be worth the upgrade.

I may even drop down to a slim 980m single model in between - it's fun to run low power once in a while so you can appreciate the high power stuff.

Until then the GT80 is working great

 

If you decide to sell the gt80, how much (given it's in mint condition) do you think you can get for it? : - )

 

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It's tougher to sell the high end stuff, you have to hold fast on the price, as there are innumerable people that want it but can't afford full price, so I got lots of offers that were incredibly low.

I think it took me 7 months to sell my Asus W90vp-A1, but I got my price, and they got an awesome hard to find laptop

 

Yes, it's kinda tricky. .P Glad you were able to have your cake and eat it too!

The reason I ask is because I am planning on selling my gx660r for $100. I bought it for $2,700 more than 5 years ago. I was told this is what a second hand 5 year old would cost nowadays.

Percentage wise, is there a rule I should follow when it comes to that? I wanna sell my other laptop which released a year ago. So I am still unsure how much a 1.5 yr old laptop in great condition would cost.

 

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What other way is there? Letting them have and eat the Cake instead of you? Not an option.

You have to make it an even exchange. They need to feel like they paid more than they wanted to, because that's what high end laptops represent - more than most people are willing to pay. If they feel like they got a bargin/steal then you gave the cake away.

Of course you need to be offering amazingly good cake, that's still fresh

$100 seems way too cheap for a high end laptop in working order.

Working laptops usually go for $250-350. I am sure it still outperforms $250-350 new laptops of today, right?

Search around on ebay for completed listings, google site:craigslist.org etc.

5 years old is a bit out of date, I would give it to a needy relative or keep it as a piece of nostalgia

 

There's a certain dynamic at work on these forums that needs to be explained to non-regulars:

One of the reasons these forums are excellent is because you have industry people, representatives of major companies, and resellers. The upside is obvious, but the downside is that those guys -which I respect a lot- are here to make a buck for their companies, not just be nerds. Because these guys are the most influential regulars with the latest news, bug fixes., feedback connections.. etc, everything they say through repetition alone becomes a conventional wisdom, that persists even after thorough debunking because the normal folks usually just stop participating soon after their purchase, and the non-pro regulars perpetually parrot the conventional wisdom to unsuspecting newcomers, with good intentions.

Case in point is this "it's never a good time to wait" gem. See electronics are always evolving and new software that demands better hardware is always on the horizon, that's a general rule. Every product that is pushed onto the consumer before the new line is out is net income regardless of any other factors. I know this because I'm intimately involved with the IT industry from a sales/marketing standpoint, and it's common sense really. They all fail/require servicing/replacement after 3-4 years if you're lucky, so the more you sell the bigger the market base and the more money generated in a given fiscal year.

I'll give you a more extreme case that occurs at least annually here: A new architecture is about to be released, and I mean it's impending, not like Pascal. You'll get the following thrown at you to convince you to buy the inferior product:-

1- Well the new stuff always has bugs and driver issues anyway, by the time they fix them you might as well get the next thing.
So never buy a new architecture? Something tells me once the old stuff is removed from the shelves they''ll be singing a different tune.

2- This last gen is barely going to be 20% worse.
It's more like 20-35% depending on the generation we're talking about, which benchmarks, and even then comparing gpus linearly like that when new architectures are introduced is rank idiocy. Every new architecture usually gets other goodies that make it better at X or Y of specific things, such as computing or new rendering tech ..etc, so comparing fps on a 2012 game alone shouldn't be done. Don't forget about decreased power consumption too. In the case of Pascal vs. Maxwell we happen to be on the display threshold of FHD to 4K. Current gen flagships STRUGGLE with 4K gaming turning settings even high, Pascal will make it playable even if we assume mediocrity in the new architecture, which contradicts every hard fact about the engineering of the new architecture that's been released. Buying a ~3500$ gaming machine from a meganerd's wet dream to run 32 fps on a modern demanding title @4k is mind-boggling.

3- Now the last gen is on special clearance offer! Think about your money!
There are offers and sales at least 3-4 times a year. You can buy the new stuff on sale 6 months later, and it'll still be flagship for another 1.5 years. Non-argument.

4- Well you can always upgrade! -insert incoherent argument about it being a bargain-.
This is the biggest con of all time. The vast majority of people do not upgrade because standalone gpus stay prohibitively expensive. A replacement for my 7970m is still well over 325$ even almost 4 years later, and that's not counting the market dynamics, sometimes they're not available at all. Upgrading to current gen will cost me over 700$, that's about half the price of the machine when it was new. I'd imagine the flagship Pascal miniaturized desktop version for the gx700 will easily be over 1000$ for quite a while, and I'm being conservative.

It's also rarely a smooth plug n' play process, and once you get to the nitty gritty all the shortcomings of your BIOS and Mobo compatibility start showing. Just visit any of the upgrading-troubleshooting threads on any manufacturer's section. Double-flashing memory and bricking your BIOS is also not something most people want to venture into.

I can probably retrieve more of these pearls of wisdom if needed, but I'm sure there will be plenty to volunteer more

 

I don't sell computers for a living, and I don't recommend the purchase of Windows gaming computers for a living either.

Everything you said tells me to not to wait to buy a computer, because no matter when we buy a computer, it will always be outperformed by a faster computer shortly thereafter.

Why wait to buy a computer later that will be soon outdated then, instead of now?

Buy now, game now. Buy later, game later. Waiting is waiting, it's not gaming.

That's what I like to say, while I am gaming

 

I still can't get over the fact at how big the water cooling dock actually is and to think there doing you a favor by giving you its own briefcase for transport is laughable.
Don't get me wrong I like the concept but the execution leaves something to be desired considering the price.
Personally I think the way to go is with a eGPU whenever they come out, only problem with that is finding a laptop that supports all eGPU's and do not use proprietary hardware , all you would need is a high end quad core CPU with TB. ( of course you would need the eGPU dock and desktop GPU too )
It would most likely cost less and upgrading to a better GPU is nice option to have.
I like the fact that ASUS and RAZER are making there own eGPU docks and we'll see how it all plays out once released.

 

Is this GX700 out yet? I can't seem to find anything.

I haven't seen anything this impressive in a long time. What other laptop can match it in horsepower? Is there one?

 

There are.
Clevo/Sager have a model with desktop GPU and CPU's, as well as MSI.
There are other new manufacturers jumping in but I would wait and see how those turn out.

 

This is the route I was going to go. You get a smaller laptop with an i7 quad cpu and use an egpu solution. Problem with this is that you got to use a smaller screen for games, or you will need to use an external monitor. I like a laptop with a big screen rather than have to use the laptop with an external screen. That said I would get an egpu if it was compatible with the g751 in the future when the gtx970m starts struggling with newer games. I just don't see that happening within the next 3 years.


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Asus is still moving forward with the GX700, it's been released elsewhere, but I haven't seen it in the US.

New Asus video about the GX700 cooling system released a couple of days ago...

How Liquid-Cooling Works in the ROG GX700 Gaming Laptop - Republic of Gamers

 

i like the idea of but as you will be docking & unlocking the system over time the water level would drop along with slowly introducing impurities in to the cooling loop how do you even bleed and refill it? i would especially not want to be bleeding & refilling a the 24 inch version as presumably you would have to do it when it is connected to the docking station?
would be better all self contained with in the laptop but i imagine that asetek
own the patent on that & is probably why they built the water cooled m18x saw enthusiasts modding laptops to be water cooled although external & thought there would be money in it
but even then i wouldn't want to bleed & refill that m18x

 

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HIDevolution posted some pics of the GX700:

https://www.facebook.com/hidevolution/posts/10153939921282562

 

It's nice to finally see it shipping in the US

I guess it gonna be a while for the GX800 with the 980 SLI...

Then even longer before the GXXX with the 1080 SLI...

 

I am tempted to get the GX800 if it has a desktop CPU so I can use my current Silicon Lottery CPU and 3000 MHz. RAM

 

The GX800 already comes with 3000mhz ram, 64GB. It also comes with a 6820HK conveniently soldered to the motherboard, to keep it from falling out of the socket...

The GXXX 1080 SLI might have a desktop CPU, as the 1080 SLI is responding to higher power CPU's to get higher GPU scores, and that would be amazing.

 

Wait I'm confused now, so there is a soon to be released GX800 and an even newer unknown GXXXX??

So please sum it up for me, what's the difference between the GX700, 800 and the newer unknown XXX?

 

GX700, original/first Hydro cooler, has been out internationally for a while, but is only now coming to the US, has a single 980 desktop GPU.

There is also a recently announced GX701 that has a single 980 desktop GPU, but uses air-cooling, no Hydro.

The GX800, as advertised so far it has SLI 980 desktop GPU's, has a new Hydro cooler with more cooling capacity.

The GXXX is just a name where we have no name for a "GX800 like model with Hydro cooling" with 1080 SLI - not shown or announced yet.

Noone has announced / released laptop's with Pascal, so all the vendors are showing new designs with 980/980m/970m Maxwell mobile GPU's.

It's possible a number of the newly announced / shown laptops will swap in a mobile Pascal GPU before they ship, at least that's the hope and desire for all of us waiting for Pascal laptops.

 

have got internal shots of the gx800?